THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

[Aunty Jane]

I don’t care what they think, that commentary is excellent in proving imo, that Jesus is not God..100% it resonates with my spirit.

It’s good to see that Bible truth is removing and replacing false doctrine…..what else could be examined more closely, I wonder?
Please don’t dismiss Scripture as unnecessary in a person’s spiritual journey however…Jesus and his apostles taught everything from God’s word…..so should we….as you have done in refuting the trinity….how else could anyone do so?

 

[CadyandZoe]

What verse says that?

You make a good point. I was thinking of 1John 5:5-12. Maybe I misremembered it?

 

[CadyandZoe]

I find 2 verses for Godhead. The context the three of Them

1. Romans 1:20
   For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
2. Colossians 2:9
   For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily;
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

Paul is talking about God's "divine nature" in contradistinction to "image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures." For this reason, "Godhead" is not a good translation for that Greek term.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Thank you for all that detail Brakelite, but it adds nothing to what I posted….”monogenes” means “an only child” in any sense of the word. The pre-human Jesus existed as “the son of God” from “the beginning” which is his beginning….
Rev 3:14…”the beginning of God’s creation”….
Col 1:15…”the firstborn of ALL creation”, making him part of that creation. Only one false doctrine invites tap dancing in the interpretation of those clear passages. Jesus is a son in every respect….the product of his Father who is also his God, even in heaven. (Rev 3:12)

This son is one of many that the Bible speaks about…angelic “sons of God”, but none are like the “firstborn” because none are the first and only direct creation of the Father. The son was used in the creation od everything else, both in heaven and in the material realm.

Col 1:15-17 and John 1:2-3 declare that the son was used as the agency “through” whom creation came. God created all things by means of his son…..it was God’s gift to him…created “through him and for him”.

Consider Hebrews 11:17 where Paul talks about Abraham's "monogenes" son, referring to Isaac. Was Isaac Abraham's only begotten son? No. Isaac was Abraham's unique, one-of-a-kind son.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Yes.

God Is Spirit without Beginning.

God Created “Spirits” with a beginning, with powers… they have FREEWILL to use their powers to Do Good or Do evil.
They can Never Die.
They are invisible, most particularly to adult humans.
The can and do appear in the likeness of humans and inter act with humans.

I have a grand niece who regularly interacted and saw 3 angels when she was 3 yr old.
They told her they were angels, told her their names and read her story books to her until she fell asleep.
(She was the first born of my niece and husband. They had just moved into a huge 10,000+ sq home. She was afraid to be in her huge upper floor bedroom alone for nap & nightime sleep, but was made to stay in her room.)
My niece regularly checked on her and one day through the door heard her talking “to” and seemingly “answering questions”. My niece opened the door and asked who she was talking to. My g- niece, said my Angel friends and said their names. My niece asked where are they. My g-niece said right there pointing to what my niece could not see.

Same niece, same age had two other separate encounters with Spirits.
Once riding with her mother in a car trying to get her mother to look and see angels flying… mother looked, didn’t see, but noticed it was a cemetery she was driving past.

Once mother and friend in nieces home…sitting in sunroom Adjacent to living room. G-niece and friends 3 yr old in living room. Piano in living room began playing. Children stood by piano. Niece heard music and went into living room. Music stopped. Mother asked WHO was playing the piano. Both of the children answered John. Niece asked where is he. Both children pointed at the piano bench and said right there.

My niece had not taught her daughter of 3 yr old about God or angels, but was not surprised at her daughters remarks…nor was there issues of her daughter continuing to be afraid to be taken / Sent to her room for naps / sleep time.

My niece would sometimes say “we” best clean up your room in case your Angel friends come to visit you.

Off hand I only recall one of the Angels names…Dobba…. Spelled as a 3yr old spoke it.

These kinds of stories make the hair on the back of my neck stand up! This was not an angelic encounter but a demonic one….just because it was “nice” didn’t mean it was with good intent. Like their master, the demons can masquerade as “angels of light” and teach children (naive and innocent) not to fear those in the spirit realm. Children have no filters, so are easy targets for demonic influence. How many children do we hear about who have had these encounters? But because they were friendly and seemingly innocent, their parents let their guard down, and actually invite them into their lives. That will be a huge mistake, perhaps not experienced till much later.

The mere mention of ”spirits” in a house, would make me abandon it immediately and get rid of it if the visitations continued in spite of prayer to expel them, using God’s powerful name.

Angels would never reveal their names….God will not allow them to. Only two angels among the millions created were allowed to reveal their names….”Gabriel” and “Michael”. No other angel was permitted to reveal their name because of the human propensity to worship unseen spirits. To sinful mankind these unseen spirits became gods.

The idea that some have guardian angels is not supported in Scripture. If we all had guardian angels then some of them are doing a lousy job!

There is no doubt that angels are closely observing our conduct here on this earth, but certainly not intervening in the everyday lives of God‘s servants, otherwise no harm would befall any of us. All prayers for divine intervention would be answered….we know that they are not….which is why “faith healing” is so often temporary or completely unsuccessful. It isn’t the power of God that is invoked, but the power of the devil. No match for the power of God’s spirit seen in the miracles of the first century.

The only reason why demons would masquerade as angels is for deception. Don’t be fooled.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Consider Hebrews 11:17 where Paul talks about Abraham's "monogenes" son, referring to Isaac. Was Isaac Abraham's only begotten son? No. Isaac was Abraham's unique, one-of-a-kind son.

Exactly my point….”monogenes” means “a unique only child”, which Jesus was in his pre-human existence and as a human on earth….in both presentations, he was divinely produced by the power of God’s spirit.

 

[Taken]

Never said I see God,

I quoted you. Here again is what you said.

once were Born Again we are gifted with spiritual eyes and ears

You said you have spiritual eyes, spiritual ears and God IS Spirit…

Why do you now say your spiritual gifted eyes can not see God….Who is Spirit and Omnipresent?

I never said I saw God..,why would I have to explain to you what his voice sounds like, has he never spoken to your sprit?
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You expressly said you were gifted with spiritual eyes.

[QUOTEIf you haven’t heard his voice then you are missing out, he testifies to my spirit all day every day that I’m his child?

Ending your iffy statement with a question mark is telling.

God quickened my spirit, is via which, My God and I communicate.

My eyes shall not see Him As He is Or Hear His Audible Voice …. Until the Day my Body is Raised up Glorified…just as a Scriptural study teaches.

I was chosen and predestined to be a child of Go…correct I had no say in the matter, was Born Of The Spirit exactly as Jesus explains to Nicodemus.. now go figure?

Now go figure?
You place a question mark at the end of a statement!

Nothing to figure.
Nicodemus did not know or learn or believe or understand Jesus’ words…and Jesus said to Nicodemus….

John 3
[12] If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

 

[Ritajanice]

I quoted you. Here again is what you said.



You said you have spiritual eyes, spiritual ears and God IS Spirit…

Go look it up in the word, fancy thinking that it meant I could see him lol.,that’s also telling.

It stands to reason that if we are Born Of The Spirit we will have spiritual eyes and ears, the Spirit will help us develop them as that’s how we communicate with God through our spirit?


I am a disciple for the Lord.

In Matthew 13:16Jesus said unto his disciples, “but blessed are your eyes, because they see, and your ears, because they hear.” (NASB) In the preceding verse 11 Jesus told his disciples “to you it has been granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven.” (NASB) Our spiritual eyes are blessed to see and our ...

Why do you now say your spiritual gifted eyes can not see God….

1 Corinthians 2:14​

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King James Version​

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14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Who is Spirit and Omnipresent?

You answer my questions for a change I answered all of yours?

Ending your iffy statement with a question mark is telling.

Am I bothered , I think not.

God quickened my spirit, is via which, My God and I communicate.

As you say.

My eyes shall not see Him As He is Or Hear His Audible Voice

I guess I must be blessed then, I’ve never seen him ..but, he speaks to my spirit all day every day..I can’t get enough and remember we are told to seek him out with all our heart, for there we will find him..heart also means spirit...we can seek him out because we’re his spirit children,

…. Until the Day my Body is Raised up Glorified…just as a Scriptural study teaches.

I hear his soft voice via the Spirit.. not an audible voice, a whisper..brings all scripture into my mind and brings it all to my understanding in my spirit.

Now go figure?
You place a question mark at the end of a statement!

Nothing to figure.
Nicodemus did not know or learn or believe or understand Jesus’ words…and Jesus said to Nicodemus….

That’s because he wasn’t Born Again, he was still in the natural man..he wasn’t spiritual like a Born Again is hence being Born Of The Spirit..it’s a Living Spirit rebirth.

John 3
[12] If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

Once again all questions evaded..Jesus explains to Jesus how the Spirit is very much like the wind..you can’t see it and you can’t see the Spirit..you never know the time or place, when God will send forth out of his mouth his Living seed and give birth to our spirit..= by supernatural divine heart revelation.

 

[David in NJ]

Now, I’ve gotta say, that one brought a chuckle…..how do you bring forth something “Jesus never directly mentioned”….?

There are so many scriptures that contradict the trinity that it is incomprehensible to me how so many accept it without question on so little actual evidence…..inference interpreted as fact would never stand up in a court of law…..do you honestly believe that God’s law would require any less?

Did you know that our situation on earth since the fall, is actually one huge legal case? An accuser told lies about our Creator, making false claims about him and his motives…..accusing him of being remiss in his treatment of his children, and withholding something to which they were entitled….. and thereby slandering him.

The accuser was told to bring forth his witnesses and God would do the same….so God handed the world over to his accuser and told him to go for it, (Luke 4:5-7) confident that not all fallen humanity would allow his lies to penetrate their faith….no matter how hard the devil made it for them to be loyal to their God through the teachings of his son.

And here we are, almost at the end of the proceedings and we already know who wins and what the verdict will mean for the defeat of this slanderer…..the question is…will we be found accepting the devil’s lies as truth or will we be found like salmon swimming up stream whilst the whole of Christendom is a raging river going in the opposite direction? “Few” are on the road to life…the “many” are on a dead end super highway. (Matt 7:13-14)

Confidence is no indicator of truth…..the Jews were confident that Jesus was a false Messiah….Saul of Tarsus was confident in his persecution of that sect that was teaching heresy against Moses. It means nothing if you are misled.

One thing that Paul made clear is that those who are deluded, but blissfully happy in their deluded state would be permitted to keep it right to the end (2 Thess 2:9-12) .…unaware till the awful truth is declared….
”I NEVER KNEW YOU”….(Matt 7:21-23) Imagine hearing those words and knowing that you had confidence in what you were taught….but who taught those who taught you? How confident are you that they taught the truth? Being raised with certain beliefs from childhood, means that the indoctrination goes deep…like patriotism, it gets into the heart and is hard to shift.

It is good to explore the scriptures on all topics, but this one in particular is foundational…..that means that so much rides on its truthfulness…because if the trinity is false, then so is everything else that Christendom teaches and builds on it……it will all fall in a heap.

There are so many scriptures that contradict the trinity

Only from a jehovah false witness perspective which is found in NWT John 1:1

If you were to submit yourself unto the Lord Jesus Christ, He would walk you thru the Scriptures to open them UP to you.

You are a Jew,” said the woman. “How can You ask for a drink from me, a Samaritan woman?” (For Jews do not associate with Samaritans.)

Jesus answered, “If you knew the gift of God and who is asking you for a drink, you would have asked Him,
and He would have given you living water.”

The only Way one can know truth is by first getting to know JESUS who is the Way the TRUTH and the Life.

No one is entitled to knowing the True Living YHWH unless they come to the Lord Jesus Christ in worship of who HE IS.

 

[Ritajanice]

Just so you know @David in NJ in case you missed it..Rita kindly said we are not to judge members testimonies.or the thread could get locked if it continues.
For everyone else’s attention also,

 

[Taken]

These kinds of stories make the hair on the back of my neck stand up! This was not an angelic encounter but a demonic one….just because it was “nice” didn’t mean it was with good intent.


Angels would never reveal their names….God will not allow them to.


The idea that some have guardian angels is not supported in Scripture.

Disagree.

I know the difference between a “little child” (babe, toddler , tike) and a 20, 50, 90 yr old child OF God.

I believe “little children “ do have holy guardian angels and do answer to God.


Matt 18:
[10] Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

I know of no forbidding for Guardian Angels to reveal their name to little children.

I also believe The Scriptures reveal holy angels…help protect, reveal information, guide and minister to believers )soul saved or not).

I further trust holy angels have been with me redirecting me, from a usual course, and discover after the fact, news of a horrific mishap occurred where I had intended to go.

I regularly call on holy angels to travel with me, help me find things, be it a tool or particular Scripture…

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[David in NJ]

Just so you know @David in NJ in case you missed it..Rita kindly said we are not to judge members testimonies.
For everyone else’s attention also,

i never judged your testimony in believing in God or the Holy Spirit.

You made statements that directly contradict the words of the Lord Jesus Christ and the Apostles

Example of Truth that God says we must submit to in order to be SAVED - John 14:6

Thomas said to Him, “Lord, we do not know where You are going, and how can we know the way?”
Jesus said to him, “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life.
No one comes to the Father except through Me.

Some people believe they can come to the FATHER apart from the LORD, which is a LIE.

We who know the only True and Living God do so by knowing and loving the Lord Jesus Christ thru His Gospel.

"If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also" - John 14:7

 

[Scott Downey]

Disagree.

I know the difference between a “little child” (babe, toddler , tike) and a 20, 50, 90 yr old child OF God.

I believe “little children “ do have holy guardian angels and do answer to God.


Matt 18:
[10] Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

I know of no forbidding for Guardian Angels to reveal their name to little children.

I also believe The Scriptures reveal holy angels…help protect, reveal information, guide and minister to believers )soul saved or not).

I further trust holy angels have been with me redirecting me, from a usual course, and discover after the fact, news of a horrific mishap occurred where I had intended to go.

I regularly call on holy angels to travel with me, help me find things, be it a tool or particular Scripture…

Glory to God,
Taken

13 But to which of the angels has He ever said:

“Sit at My right hand,
Till I make Your enemies Your footstool”?
14 Are they not all ministering spirits sent forth to minister for those who will inherit salvation?

Scriptures support the idea, even though some might find it odd.
I ask God to help me every day, with whatever I am doing, and He does, I am patient and wait and things happen. If I am working on a project I get good ideas to fix and make things work.

Through faith and patience we inherit the promises of God.

It is a good idea to seek God in every aspect of your life. And to thank Him for all the things HE has done for you.
And He does things you are not even aware of.

 

[Taken]

You answer my questions for a change I answered all of yours?


Once again all questions evaded..

You write in statements with question marks…
And what you call “fancy thinking”
And oxymorons…

Distracting and unpleasant from intent to engage in a spiritual conversation regarding spiritual things.

 

[APAK]

Im Seminary Trained, and ive had years of private study.
My Study was not just with "a" Scholar, or a few.. but i was also trained by : Adrian Rogers, James Kennedy, and Lloyd Ogilvie.
Some of my training is in "manuscript evidence" regarding "extant" Greek Texts.
So that was early on... and later, over 30 Yrs ago, i began to be trained exclusively by Paul the Apostle., once i read..

"be a follower of Me, as i Follow Christ"........so, i have been doing that for over 3 decades.

So then...., the reality is... understanding that God and "Word", are Father and pre-incarnate Jesus, is very simple to understand, but believing it is often hindered by studying bad theology, and bad (theologian's teaching.)
This happened to you.

Notice now...

We see that "Let US, create man.. in OUR Image" .. is 2.

= 2.
And we know that the AGENT of CREATION is the : Holy Spirit...

Our NT ( a real one) tells us that "God is A Spirit", and "Jesus is THAT Spirit".

So, that is 3, God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit., who are One.

We find that God spoke Creation into Existence, and Jesus is the "WORD", ... and so, when you speak, you use words, and God used the pre-incarnate WORD who "was GOD, in John 1:1.

This is why John 1:10 says that Jesus ""made the WORLD""..... and that is the same as """let US... make man in OUR Image"""...

I'll show you another one that proves the Deity of Christ, if you have an open mind.. but yours has been locked tightly, regarding this subject for a long time..
It is one of your favorite subjects to argue about on Forums.

But i'll show you anyway... @APAK .

Only God Can give the Holy Spirit, because only God IS the Holy Spirit......except that.... "Jesus is THAT Spirit".

So, THEY... ."breathed into ADAM" and He became LIVING......In Genesis 1.

And in John 20:22.....>>Jesus (Himself) BREATHED on the 11 Apostles and gave them the Holy Spirit"....

See that?
That is God doing that to Adam, and to the 11 Apostles.

And then Jesus SENT the Holy Spirit to the EARTH... in Acts 2.. and that is again GOD doing that, as God is the Holy Spirit.

See, all of this is not a mystery, if we really studied the word.......as the scriptures will teach all these truths, to the student, unless the student has been mentally corrupted so that they can't see anything, except what they were taught to Think..

So, What happens is.. .a person becomes a Christian, and they are WIDE OPEN....they dont know anything about the BIBLE.
And then, in come the heretics, and in comes the denominationalism... or Calvinism...ect, ect.....and they are soon indoctrinated, and depending on which.......... is what they become.

So, people like you were taught not to believe that God and Word......... are Father and Pre-incarnate Jesus.
Yet the bible easily proves they are "ONE"... .

Jesus Himself told us.. "If you've SEEN ME, you've SEEN the Father".

You are kidding me that you studied the scriptures, in any formal setting for any period of time. I'm basing it on your many posts that clearly shows the absence of scripture understanding, and then only some anecdotal trinitarian training filters through....which does not count for much

 

[Ritajanice]

i never judged your testimony in believing in God or the Holy Spirit.

You made statements that directly contradict the words of the Lord Jesus Christ and the Apostles

Show me my contradictions David.

Example of Truth that God says we must submit to in order to be SAVED - John 14:6

God says we must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God.

Thomas said to Him, “Lord, we do not know where You are going, and how can we know the way?”
Jesus said to him, “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life.
No one comes to the Father except through Me.

Once again we must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God...we are Gods spirit children.

Some people believe they can come to the FATHER apart from the LORD, which is a LIE.

We can only become Born Again when Jesus brought me to initially believe in Jesus, then gifted me supernatural faith to know of God in my spirit.,

We who know the only True and Living God do so by knowing and loving the Lord Jesus Christ thru His Gospel.

"If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also" - John 14:7

I only know God by His Living Witness the Living Holy Spirit who resides in my spirit, permanently.

Romans 8​

King James Version​

8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[Ritajanice]

You write in statements with question marks…
And what you call “fancy thinking”
And oxymorons…

All according to you.you don’t understand what I write..


The natural man has no understanding of spiritual matters as they are spiritually discerned

Distracting and unpleasant from intent to engage in a spiritual conversation regarding spiritual things.

Once again all Spirit questions go unanswered.
You shall know them by their fruit.

The natural man has no understanding of spiritual matters as they are spiritually discerned.

Romans 8​

King James Version​

8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[David in NJ]

Show me my contradictions David.


God says we must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God.

Once again we must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God...we are Gods spirit children.

We can only become Born Again when Jesus brought me to initially believe in Jesus, then gifted me supernatural faith to know of God in my spirit.,

I only know God by His Living Witness the Living Holy Spirit who resides in my spirit, permanently.

I only know God by His Living Witness the Living Holy Spirit who resides in my spirit, permanently.

GREAT


Because of the great deception and many many false doctrines and cults that are prevalent today, we must be certain that we are in fellowship with the Holy Spirit that comes from the Lord Jesus Christ.

The 'acid test' is this:
a.) Do we love the Lord Jesus Christ as our Lord, Savior and Redeemer
b.) Is the Lord Jesus Christ worthy of our worship - Yes or No
c.) Do we desire Him as much as we desire to know the FATHER???
e.) Do we desire His words, the Gospel and the instructions of His Apostles???
f.) Are we allowing the Holy Spirit to lead us into the Holy Scriptures of Truth - without compromising the words of Truth???

This is the Way the Truth and the Life

 

[Ritajanice]

GREAT


Because of the great deception and many many false doctrines and cults that are prevalent today, we must be certain that we are in fellowship with the Holy Spirit that comes from the Lord Jesus Christ.

The 'acid test' is this:
a.) Do we love the Lord Jesus Christ as our Lord, Savior and Redeemer
b.) Is the Lord Jesus Christ worthy of our worship - Yes or No
c.) Do we desire Him as much as we desire to know the FATHER???
e.) Do we desire His words, the Gospel and the instructions of His Apostles???
f.) Are we allowing the Holy Spirit to lead us into the Holy Scriptures of Truth - without compromising the words of Truth???

This is the Way the Truth and the Life

That’s your way that you are led....I rely 100% on the Holy Spirit teaching and leading me through the scriptures , then bring them to my understanding , all in his timing..

Romans 8​

King James Version​

8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[David in NJ]

Romans 8​

King James Version​

8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

All Truth

Remember now - you told me on numerous posts that "you are not in Jesus Christ and HE is not in you"