THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

[Ritajanice]

Can you support this seed idea biblically?

Of course.

A Born Again does not sin because they have been Born Of God,His seed remains in them.

You have been Born Again not Of corruptible seed but of incorruptible seed.

The word of God is Alive and Active and it’s not the Bible either...his Spirit is his word and it accomplishes what ever is pleasing to God.

Gods Living seed is what we are Born Again of..Spirit gives birth to spirit.

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◄ 1 Peter 1:23 ►

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Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God. New Living Translation For you have been born again, but not to a life that will quickly end. Your new life will last forever because it comes from the eternal, living word of God. English Standard Version since you have been born again, not of perishable seed but of imperishable, through the living and abiding word of God; Berean Standard Bible For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God

 

[St. SteVen]

Plus the Spirit indwells our spirit @St. SteVen ..God almighty can’t indwell our spirit can he..but, his seed does?

God is God. They can pretty much do whatever they choose, within reason.

God the Holy Spirit can indwell us without diminishing himself in the least.

The problem is on our end trying to contain the Spirit in fullness.



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[Ritajanice]

The problem is on our end trying to contain the Spirit in fullness

What do you mean here?

 

[St. SteVen]

Of course.

A Born Again does not sin because they have been Born Of God,His seed remains in them.

You have been Born Again not Of corruptible seed but of incorruptible seed.

The word of God is Alive and Active and it’s not the Bible either...his Spirit is his word and it accomplishes what ever is pleasing to God.

Gods Living seed is what we are Born Again of..Spirit gives birth to spirit.

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◄ 1 Peter 1:23 ►

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Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God. New Living Translation For you have been born again, but not to a life that will quickly end. Your new life will last forever because it comes from the eternal, living word of God. English Standard Version since you have been born again, not of perishable seed but of imperishable, through the living and abiding word of God; Berean Standard Bible For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God

That's good.
Although it seem to be a comparison of human seed and spiritual seed. Not a seed that is given, but the seed as a source.

As humans we were born of perishable seed. We weren't given a seed, we are the seed. God told Eve about her seed. (offspring)
When we are born again we are born from imperishable seed. (that never dies)

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[Ritajanice]

That's good.
Although it seem to be a comparison of human seed and spiritual seed. Not a seed that is given, but the seed as a source.

As humans we were born of perishable seed. We weren't given a seed, we are the seed. God told Eve about her seed. (offspring)
When we are born again we are born from imperishable seed. (that never dies)

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That’s how you understand it, I understand it this way, when my spirit was reborn, the seed of God who is the Spirit, when God decided to birth my spirit, he sent forth his seed from out of his mouth, which penetrated my spirit , as he was indwelling my spirit, the Spirit of God testifies with our spirit that we are the children of God..has taken up permanent residence in my spirit, Born Again of incorruptible seed, that liveth and abideth forever in my spirit.
I no longer sin as I have been Born Of God and his seed remains in me...my living testimony,

No one can say Jesus is Lord except by the Living testimony of the Living Holy Spirit

Spirit gives birth to spirit just as flesh gives birth to flesh.

◄ Isaiah 55:11 ►

Audio Crossref Comm Hebrew Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version so is my word that goes out from my mouth: It will not return to me empty, but will accomplish what I desire and achieve the purpose for which I sent it. New Living Translation It is the same with my word. I send it out, and it always produces fruit. It will accomplish all I want it to, and it will prosper everywhere I send it. English Standard Version so shall my word be that goes out from my mouth; it shall not return to me empty, but it shall accomplish that which I purpose, and shall succeed in the thing for which I sent it. Berean Standard Bible so My word that proceeds from My mouth will not return to Me empty, but it will accomplish what I please, and it will prosper where I send it

 

[Grailhunter]

Have you heard of Kings church?

Nope

 

[Scott Downey]

Seems strange that Pentecostals would not believe in the Spirit. Hello? - LOL
Maybe the Spirit of Christ?

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Not all Pentecostals are oneness. Oneness Pentecostal's are not trinitarians, but they believe in a sort of modal nature of God, the Wikipedia link gives the details. So they believe God is all three, but not all 3 at the same time, is what I can figure out.

 

[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
The problem is on our end trying to contain the Spirit in fullness

What do you mean here?

We are leaky vessels.

In the movie, Paint Your Wagon, the Lee Marvin character used the antiquated Christian term "dissipation".
It was in reference to sex outside of marriage, which caused the Holy Spirit in a person to dissipate. (run out)
Really, any living outside the Spirit's direction is dissipation.




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[St. SteVen]

Spirit gives birth to spirit just as flesh gives birth to flesh.

What do you make of this?

John 12:24 NIV
Very truly I tell you, unless a kernel of wheat falls to the ground and dies,
it remains only a single seed. But if it dies, it produces many seeds.

Basically, a seed is only effective when it dies.

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[Wrangler]

Maybe Fred, or George?

Whatever you like.

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Fred or George? You are not a serious student of the Bible! I'll save myself grief by putting you on ignore.

The fact that it has no name proves it is not a person. You just refuse to see it.

 

[CadyandZoe]

This is what the Spirit is teaching me at the moment...if you are in me, then mistreatment can’t touch you, because it comes from the old man, you understand this as you too go ahead of me at times and represent yourself..the old man.

What I’m now teaching you on this forum, is to stay in me and I will give you the words to say, I will also teach you when to stay quiet, I have sent you here to learn of me..remain in me and I will remain in you.

What I believe he is saying here Brother is, when you go ahead of me, then you will not be in me, you will be in your old man once again.,this has been/ is a great place to grow in spiritual maturity imo, can’t get enough of this place just lately.,


Just my thoughts.Brother.. hope you and family are well, lovely to see you

I believe the Apostle's creed, except for the part about Jesus going to hell. See quote below.

I believe in God,
the Father almighty,
Creator of heaven and earth,
and in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord,
who was conceived by the Holy Spirit,
born of the Virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died and was buried;
he descended into hell;
on the third day he rose again from the dead;
he ascended into heaven,
and is seated at the right hand of God the Father almighty;
from there he will come to judge the living and the dead.

I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy catholic Church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and life everlasting.

Amen.

I don't believe the Nicene Creed because it contains false teachings. I will highlight the false in bold.

We believe in one God, the Father, the almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all that is, seen and unseen. We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, of one being with the Father. Through him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation he came down from heaven; by the power of the Holy Spirit he became incarnate of the Virgin Mary, and was made man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate; he suffered death and was buried. On the third day he rose again in accordance with the scriptures; he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end. We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son. With the Father and the Son he is worshipped and glorified. He has spoken through the Prophets. We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.

According to the Trinity Doctrine, the one God consists of three distinct persons, and as such, the three persons are eternal, and self-existing. This is not Biblical. The Bible teaches us that Jesus is a man who represents God. He is the translation of God into a human medium.

John 1:18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

The Greek word here literally means "interpreted"; Jesus interpreted God. In other words, through Jesus, we come to know God's character. What does this mean?

Consider an interesting point from "Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home." Spock tells McCoy that he can not explain what it is like to be "dead" without a common point of reference. This statement highlights the importance of shared experiences or concepts when explaining complex or unfamiliar ideas. In this context, Spock says that understanding what it's like to be "dead" is beyond their shared experiences, making it challenging to find a relatable comparison.

This concept is quite profound, as it underscores how our understanding of the world is often rooted in what we've experienced ourselves or through shared human experiences. With a common reference point, conveying certain abstract or unfamiliar ideas becomes easier.

The Father-Creator created a man to be "him" in our reality because through our common experiences -- Jesus' and ours -- we gain a greater understanding of the Father. If we can understand what Jesus must be like, we can understand what the Father must be like.

 

[RedFan]

The Bible teaches us that Jesus is a man who represents God. He is the translation of God into a human medium.

I don't have a clue what you mean here.

 

[David in NJ]

The Scriptures are not the Living Spirit, only he can witness Gods Living truth to our heart/ spirit..the Bible confirms what the Spirit testifies to our spirit.

So no, posting scripture does not mean that our spirit has been reborn.sorry.

Even a child can do that..,

Jesus played a part in us being able to become Born Again..God is the one who forgives our sins, not Jesus...
We must be Born Again, if your saved then you must be Born Again.


Once we are Born Again then we are saved from eternal damnation.you can’t separate them , they go hand in hand.


We must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God..we are spirit children and can only communicate with God from our spirit, that’s why we must be Born Of The Spirit.

David you have absolutely no living testimony.

You are reliant on self to get you through that Bible..you can’t even explain how you know that God exists and I’m still waiting for you to answer, why it’s imperative that our spirit must be reborn?

Your truth of the trinity is your truth.void of Gods truth.

You can’t deceive me David, no matter what you post to me.

Jesus is not fully God, he is Gods Son, who is sitting right this second at his Father’s right hand..

Then there is the Living Spirit who testifies to our spirit who God is and testifies to our spirit all about Jesus,..that’s why we must be Born Again as God communicates with his children, via His Spirit.

God is Spirit and can only be understood that he is Spirit once our spirit is reborn....

God is the one who forgives our sins, not Jesus...

This is more jw false doctrine and is not from the Holy Spirit of Truth

And some of the scribes were sitting there and reasoning in their hearts, 7“Why does this Man speak blasphemies like this? Who can forgive sins but God alone?”

But immediately, when Jesus perceived in His spirit that they reasoned thus within themselves, He said to them, “Why do you reason about these things in your hearts? Which is easier, to say to the paralytic, ‘Your sins are forgiven you,’ or to say, ‘Arise, take up your bed and walk’? But that you may know that the Son of Man has power on earth to forgive sins”—He said to the paralytic, “I say to you, arise, take up your bed, and go to your house.” Immediately he arose, took up the bed, and went out in the presence of them all, so that all were amazed and glorified God, saying, “We never saw anything like this!”

 

[David in NJ]

Read that whole passage in Greek, David (John 10:31-36)….there are no capital letters in Greek, so there is no “God” with a capital “G”. They accused him of claiming to be divine, not God. (”theos”, not “ho theos”) They wanted to convict him so as to have an excuse to have him executed. They knew he wasn’t claiming to be God, but claiming to be God’s son….which is all he ever said.

And some of the scribes were sitting there and reasoning in their hearts,
“Why does this Man speak blasphemies like this? Who can forgive sins but God alone?”

But immediately, when Jesus perceived in His spirit that they reasoned thus within themselves, He said to them, “Why do you reason about these things in your hearts? Which is easier, to say to the paralytic, ‘Your sins are forgiven you,’ or to say, ‘Arise, take up your bed and walk’?
But that you may know that the Son of Man has power on earth to forgive sins”—He said to the paralytic, “I say to you, arise, take up your bed, and go to your house.” Immediately he arose, took up the bed, and went out in the presence of them all, so that all were amazed and glorified God, saying, “We never saw anything like this!”

 

[David in NJ]

Born Again ..are you Born Of The Spirit?

I was Born Of The Spirit by = supernatural divine heart revelation?

How do you know that God exists?



You must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God..God draws us to Jesus, God brings us to repentance / Godly sorrow, God brings us to initially believe in Jesus , then gifts us supernatural faith = by supernatural divine heart revelation.

Posting scripture does not birth our spirit, sorry.

Now let’s hear you living testimony.

Not bible quotes,,to be Born Of The Spirit then you must have a living testimony, that lines up with
scripture?..as it’s a Living spiritual rebirth.

Flesh gives birth to flesh.

Spirit gives birth to spirit?

Let’s hear your living testimony on how you know God?

By whose witness?...and where is this truth witnessed in us?

God brings us to initially believe in Jesus

More jw false doctrine

 

[JLB]

Repeating obsolete facts is not logical. How do you reconcile this claim with Scripture saying we are all God’s children?

We are God’s children.

Angels are also sons of God.


Jesus is the only begotten of the Father and therefore Jesus is God; God the Son.


Why would anyone who is a Christian and has the Holy Spirit in them, think that God would beget something other than God.


Human begets human.

Dog begets dog.

God begets God.




I thought everyone learned this elementary truth in Bible school.

 

[Wrangler]

We are God’s children.

Jesus is the only begotten

Trinitarian anti-logic.

 

[RedFan]

Human begets human.
Dog begets dog.
God begets God.

I thought everyone learned this elementary truth in Bible school.

I never went to Bible school. So forgive me if I mess this up:

Human begets human.
Dog begets dog,
God, being omnipotent, begets anyone or anything He chooses. and talking about God in terms of genetics or biology is downright stupid.

 

[David in NJ]

I never went to Bible school. So forgive me if I mess this up:

Human begets human.
Dog begets dog,
God, being omnipotent, begets anyone or anything He chooses. and talking about God in terms of genetics or biology is downright stupid.

God DOES NOT beget anything other then HIMSELF

You are confusing God begetting and God creating

JESUS is God's ONLY begotten Son

only /ōn′lē/

adjective​

1. Alone in kind or class; sole.
   "That's the only pen I have."
2. Having no siblings.
   "an only child."
3. Most suitable of all; superior or excellent.
   "This is the only way to cook a good steak."

Now COMPARE the TRUTH of the ONLY begotten SON of GOD to angels, man, animals, sun, moon, stars etc

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence. - Colossians 1:16-18

 

[RedFan]

God DOES NOT beget anything other then HIMSELF

So is this the thesis now?

Humans beget themselves.
Dogs beget themselves.
God begets Himself.

If so, I'm excited about the ontological prospect of begetting myself! Move over Dolly; my clone is coming!