THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

[David in NJ]

The Spirit Of God it says..not God himself as he is came down.

That’s your opinion that contradicts "It is written"

This is what is Written for you to believe:

The Pharisees therefore said to Him, “You bear witness of Yourself; Your witness is not true.”

Jesus answered and said to them, “Even if I bear witness of Myself, My witness is true, for I know where I came from and where I am going; but you do not know where I come from and where I am going. You judge according to the flesh; I judge no one.
And yet if I do judge, My judgment is true; for I am not alone, but I am with the Father who sent Me. It is also written in your law that the testimony of two men is true.
I am One who bears witness of Myself, and the Father who sent Me bears witness of Me.”

Ritajanice - RUN AWAY from the thinking of the pharisees who walk in unbelief and contradict the Word that was God.

 

[Scott Downey]

The Word is Christ, since the WORD was with God in the beginning, the WORD of God is eternal.​

He did not make Himself!

The Eternal Word​

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not [a]comprehend it.

John’s Witness: The True Light​

6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 This man came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That[b] was the true Light which gives light to every man coming into the world.

10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11 He came to His [c]own, and His [d]own did not receive Him. 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the [e]right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

The Word Becomes Flesh​

14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

15 John bore witness of Him and cried out, saying, “This was He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me [f]is preferred before me, for He was before me.’ ”

16 [g]And of His fullness we have all received, and grace for grace. 17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. 18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten [h]Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.

 

[Ritajanice]

That’s your opinion that contradicts "It is written"

No it doesn’t.

JESUS said many things about Himself, His Father and the Holy Spirit and never refuted where and from Whom HE came.
He never refuted that He and His FATHER are ONE and Jesus said this along WITH the Holy Spirit = 3

As in different persons.,,the Holy Spirit and Jesus are a part of God, they came forth out of God, they are of his seed.,they are not God.

DIRECT statement of TRUTH = The Word that was with God in the beginning also was God = the Word became flesh = Immanuel

The word became flesh through the power of the Spirit..not because Jesus was God, he wasn’t / isn’t.

Jesus sits at the right hand of God, so he can’t be God, he is Gods anointed Son.

Since you do not know what this means you have slidden into the man-made doubt system by speaking against the TRUTH

Only in your opinion David..I can live with your opinion..as it’s not Gods truth...that can only come by = divine heart revelation.

Opinions may or may not be TRUTH
Just as the Lord Jesus Christ gave His opinions for us to believe in.
The FATHER the SON the HOLY SPIRIT are very Opinionated.

No, I have been reborn , only then can I believe in my spirit , that Jesus was the Son Of God..by His Living Witness, the Living Holy Spirit.

 

[Ritajanice]

That’s your opinion that contradicts "It is written"

This is what is Written for you to believe:

Sorry, there is nowhere in scripture that God came down as he fully is.,and indwelled Jesus.

The Pharisees therefore said to Him, “You bear witness of Yourself; Your witness is not true.”

And?

Jesus answered and said to them, “Even if I bear witness of Myself, My witness is true, for I know where I came from and where I am going; but you do not know where I come from and where I am going. You judge according to the flesh; I judge no one.

Of course he knew where he came from,Gods seed.not God as he is in heaven.

And yet if I do judge, My judgment is true; for I am not alone, but I am with the Father who sent Me. It is also written in your law that the testimony of two men is true.
I am One who bears witness of Myself, and the Father who sent Me bears witness of Me.”

Ritajanice - RUN AWAY from the thinking of the pharisees who walk in unbelief and contradict the Word that was God.

No David, your opinions don’t penetrate my spirit, ..we need the Living witness to witness Gods truth to our heart/spirit...not you David, you have no authority in the Name of Jesus to do so.

 

[David in NJ]

No it doesn’t.


As in different persons.,,the Holy Spirit and Jesus are a part of God, they are not God.

The word became flesh through the power of the Spirit..not because Jesus was God, he wasn’t / isn’t.

Jesus sits at the right hand of God, so he can’t be God, he is Gods anointed Son.

Only in your opinion David..I can live with your opinion..as it’s not Gods truth...that can only come by = divine heart revelation.

No, I have been reborn , only then can I believe in my spirit , that Jesus was the Son Of God..by His Living Witness, the Living Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit would never say such things nor lead you away from TRUTH

Someone named Rita has been persuaded by the error of the jehovah false witness religion.

 

[Taken]

Presidents are their own President.
(subject to a Constitution)

Kings are their own King.
(subject to a Charter)

God is His own God.
(subject to His Council)
Gods Council:
His Word, His Will, His Power.
Lord God Almighty

Whether the created, know, believe, understand…The WHOLLY WHOLE HOLY Lord God Almighty is without Beginning or Ending.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Ritajanice]

St. SteVen said:
The Trinity doctrine is standard in Christian theology. It has been since the early church codified it.
It is strange to be on a topic where Christians claim it to be untrue, as if it is some new idea.

There is biblical support for all three views.

No it doesn’t..your opinion is no more valid than anyone else’s.

I'm sorry, but that is intellectual dishonesty to claim that Trinitarianism is unbiblical.
Tons of biblical support has been provided.
I don't think we should claim that the views of others are not biblical simply because we happen to disagree.

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There is absolutely nothing in scripture that proves that Jesus was fully God, none.

If he was fully God, then he wouldn’t be sitting at the right hand of God, which blows the belief of trinitarians that Jesus is fully God we’ll and truly out of the water.

 

[Ritajanice]

The Holy Spirit would never say such things nor lead you away from TRUTH

The Holy Spirit would never say what?
He would certainly lead me away from your truth @David in NJ ?

You sound very confused in your understanding of the almighty God..

Someone named Rita has been persuaded by the error of the jehovah false witness religion.

David said..Someone named Rita has been persuaded by the error of the jehovah false witness religion

RJ replies.
Someone named David ,obviously doesn’t understand what it means to be Born Again...we are Spirit led not JW led.,,.are you a spirit child of God @David in NJ ?

 

[St. SteVen]

A couple more good examples. Sobering actually.
The spirit of antichrist denies that Jesus came in the flesh. (from where?)

1 John 4:2
This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God:
Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,

2 John 1:7
I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh,
have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.

From post #1284
This seems to have been overlooked.

There it is.
Any spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is the spirit of antichrist.

Come in the flesh? Why state the obvious unless there is something significant about it? There is.

God has come in the flesh. Emanuel, God with us.

[ cc: @Ritajanice

 

[Grailhunter]

@Grailhunter ...why are so many obsessed over this trinity business, I really don’t understand their obsession of proving that all 3 are God..what do they gain from it.?

Why is it so important to them?

Is there something lacking in what they believe?..that this trinity, which isn’t even biblical..must be true?

Context matters
Perspective matters
Truth matters
A god with 3 aspects is a Pagan concept.
Father AND Son---Yahweh made these distinctions so we would understand their relationship and perspectives.
God so love the world that He gave His only begotten (Son or Self)
Can Yahweh be a Father if He impregnated Miriam with Himself?
50 My Father verses….should they be My Self verses.
Thrones, do they sit on each other’s laps.
Or does Yeshua set on the right of the Father?
This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased….Should it be I love Myself and I am very pleased with Myself.
God is a Devine position not a proper name or person.
Who is Christ praying to in the garden?
Was Yahweh, Yeshua, and the Holy Spirit crucified together?
How can they be one if Christ did not know the end of time but Yahweh did?
Trinity---Tri-unity….not Triune
Christ explained the oneness concept but people refuse to believe what He said.

The problem is the one God formula skews a good part of the storyline in the Gospels.

 

[Ritajanice]

From post #1284
This seems to have been overlooked.

There it is.
Any spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is the spirit of antichrist.

Come in the flesh? Why state the obvious unless there is something significant about it? There is.

God has come in the flesh. Emanuel, God with us.

[ cc: @Ritajanice

So you tell me SteVen how you can confess that Jesus Christ came in the flesh.

Living testimony please..not scripture..anyone can post scripture which quotes those words.

How do you know that Jesus came in the flesh!?

Posting reams of scripture Steven does not mean one is Born Of The Spirit.

 

[Grailhunter]

All monotheists who reject the words of the LORD YAHshua HaMashiach, in their ignorance, are calling Elohim a liar.

All who BELIEVE "It is written" are calling on the only True Living Elohim = IAM the WAY the TRUTH the LIFE
All who BELIEVE "It is written" are calling on the FATHER of the only Begotten Son of Elohim
All who BELIEVE "It is written" are indwelt by the Ruach HaKodesh who prays in and thru with groanings that cannot be uttered

Yahweh told the truth.....
In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. Genesis 1:1

“You are the Lord, you alone. You have made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth and all that is on it, the seas and all that is in them; and you preserve all of them; and the host of heaven worships you. Nehemiah 9:6

“You shall have no other gods before me. Exodus 20:3

To you it was shown, that you might know that the Lord is God; there is no other besides him. Deuteronomy 4:35

Know therefore today, and lay it to your heart, that the Lord is God in heaven above and on the earth beneath; there is no other. Deuteronomy 4:39

Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. Deuteronomy 6:4

“See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god beside me; I kill and I make alive; I wound and I heal; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand. Deuteronomy 32:39

And Hezekiah prayed before the Lord and said: “O Lord, the God of Israel, enthroned above the cherubim, you are the God, you alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth; you have made heaven and earth. Isaiah 37:20

I am the Lord; that is my name; my glory I give to no other, nor my praise to carved idols. Isaiah 42:8 (Of course they removed His name.)

“You are my witnesses,” declares the Lord, “and my servant whom I have chosen, that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after me. Isaiah 43:10

I, I am the Lord, and besides me there is no savior. Isaiah 43:11

I am the Lord, and there is no other, besides me there is no God; I equip you, though you do not know me, Isaiah 45:5

Declare and present your case; let them take counsel together! Who told this long ago? Who declared it of old? Was it not I, the Lord? And there is no other god besides me, a righteous God and a Savior; there is none besides me. Isaiah 45:21

Remember the former things of old; for I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me, Isaiah 46:9

That all the peoples of the earth may know that the Lord is God; there is no other. 1st Kings 8:60

There is none like you, O Lord, and there is no God besides you, according to all that we have heard with our ears. 1st Chronicles 17:20

Therefore you are great, O Lord God. For there is none like you, and there is no God besides you, according to all that we have heard with our ears. 2nd Samuel 7:22

 

[Ritajanice]

Context matters
Perspective matters
Truth matters
A god with 3 aspects is a Pagan concept.
Father AND Son---Yahweh made these distinctions so we would understand their relationship and perspectives.
God so love the world that He gave His only begotten (Son or Self)
Can Yahweh be a Father if He impregnated Miriam with Himself?
50 My Father verses….should they be My Self verses.
Thrones, do they sit on each other’s laps.
Or does Yeshua set on the right of the Father?
This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased….Should it be I love Myself and I am very pleased with Myself.
God is a Devine position not a proper name or person.
Who is Christ praying to in the garden?
Was Yahweh, Yeshua, and the Holy Spirit crucified together?
How can they be one if Christ did not know the end of time but Yahweh did?
Trinity---Tri-unity….not Triune
Christ explained the oneness concept but people refuse to believe what He said.

The problem is the one God formula skews a good part of the storyline in the Gospels.

This makes sense and resonates with my spirit.thanks.

 

[Ritajanice]

“You are my witnesses

Jesus was God’s witness was he not?

 

[Wrangler]

I'm trying to find your ABC and 123s. (send help)

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See below.

<sigh> Yes, of course I believe in Jesus! The false dilemma of trinitarians is to say if you do not believe in the trinity, then you cannot be a Christ follower. Untrue.

Here are the ABC's and 123's. NOTE: In blue is the specific answer to your question. These ABC’s (OT) and 123’s (NT) will easily demonstrate the monotheist text of Scripture, the perspective through which one ought to view trinitarians vain attempt to impose their tri-une eisegesis interpretation.

Consider the emphatic way God communicated to Moses, by putting his commands in stone. This represents the ultimate way of clear communication in all of human history. By contrast, trinitarian’s sad attempt to read contradictory doctrine into monotheist text ridiculous and cannot hold up to scrutiny. This is why they disregard what follows.

ABC’s (OT)

• Only YHWH is God.
  • Deut 6:4 (NOG). Listen, Israel: Yahweh is our Elohim. Yahweh is the only God.
• YHWH is God’s only and eternal name – for all generations.
  • Ex 3:15 (NLT). Yahweh, the God of your ancestors—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob—has sent me to you. This is my eternal name,
  • my name to remember for all generations.
• 1C, You shall have no other gods but YHWH – including the trinity god.
  • Ex 20:3 (NLT) You must not have any other god but me.

123’s (NT)

• All the Gospels proclaim Jesus is God’s Anointed. None claim Jesus is YHWH incarnate.
  • Matthew 1:1 (VOICE) This is the family history, the genealogy, of Jesus the Anointed, the coming King.
  • Mark 1:1 (VOICE). This is the beginning of the good news of Jesus, the Anointed One, the Liberating King, the Son of God.
  • Luke 1:4 I want you to know that you can fully rely on the things you have been taught about Jesus, God’s Anointed One.
  • John 20:31 (VOICE). These accounts are recorded so that you, too, might believe that Jesus is the Anointed, the Liberating King, the Son of God, because believing grants you the life He came to share.
• God made Jesus and gave Jesus authority – but not over God, Himself.
  • Acts 2:36 (CEV). God has made Jesus both Lord and Christ
  • 1 Corinthians 15:27 “God has put all things under his authority.”[a] (Of course, when it says “all things are under his authority,” that does not include God himself, who gave Christ his authority.
• Jesus has a God, who we relate to as Father, who is the only true God.
  • John 17:1-3 (NLT) Father … And this is the way to have eternal life—to know you, the only true God.
  • John 20:17 ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”
• The resurrected Jesus, sitting on God’s throne in heaven is STILL not God.
  • Rev 1:1 (NLT). This is a revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him.
  • Rev 3:12. Jesus invokes his God 4 times in 1 sentence.

 

[Scott Downey]

From post #1284
This seems to have been overlooked.

There it is.
Any spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is the spirit of antichrist.

Come in the flesh? Why state the obvious unless there is something significant about it? There is.

God has come in the flesh. Emanuel, God with us.

[ cc: @Ritajanice

Concerning as to the nature of Christ, then yes.
If you deny the Son, you deny the Father who sent Christ.
People can wiggle all they want, I know Him whom I have believed.
If they believe something else, that is nothing new under the sun, that is on them and God.

 

[Wrangler]

Jesus is the only begotten of the Father.

Repeating obsolete facts is not logical. How do you reconcile this claim with Scripture saying we are all God’s children?

 

[Scott Downey]

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

Honestly as simple as it can be.

 

[David in NJ]

The Holy Spirit would never say what?
He would certainly lead me away from your truth @David in NJ ?

You sound very confused in your understanding of the almighty God..

Someone named David ,obviously doesn’t understand what it means to be Born Again...we are Spirit led not JW led.,,.are you a spirit child of God @David in NJ ?

You are not listening to the Holy Spirit for if you did you would believe the words of the only Begotten Son of God.

The Holy Spirit does not refute "It is written"/TRUTH as you have been doing.

But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you.
Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His

You have claimed that you DO NOT have Christ in you and that Christ is not a Spirit, therefore you are not listening to the Holy Spirit by your own admission and by your own decision.

 

[Ritajanice]

Is this what these trinitarian believers on this thread are saying about us below?

Wrangler said:
<sigh> Yes, of course I believe in Jesus! The false dilemma of trinitarians is to say if you do not believe in the trinity, then you cannot be a Christ follower. Untrue.