RLT63
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In this case they do. We're not talking about a computer.
It's like the difference in "You're a man" and "You're THE man"
THE Trinity can Now be discussed.
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It's like the difference in "You're a man" and "You're THE man"
RLT63
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The term Hail Mary does not appear in the Bible but the Angel does say Hail when he addresses her.
God the Son is correct even though the term is correct
It is a mockery of the one behind the doctrine that says that Jesus wants to be treated as an equal to his God...
Where does it say God the Son in the Bible?
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The phrase "God the Son" does not appear in the Biblebut is found in later Christian writings. It mistakenly appears in a medieval manuscript, MS No. 1985, where Galatians 2:20 has "Son of God" changed to "God the Son".
Short commentary.
The phrase "God the Son" does not appear in the Biblebut is found in later Christian writings. It mistakenly appears in a medieval manuscript, MS No. 1985, where Galatians 2:20 has "Son of God" changed to "God the Son".
RLT63
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lol.. I think Jesus even said the father is the one in charge, He is everything.
But it does not mean he is not God.. its a mockery to claim Jesus was a mere man, or worse yet. and angel, or even worse yet. Satan's brother (which would make him am angel)
What Jesus said about his Father?
John 14:28 You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I am.
But trinitarians say just the opposite, that they are equal.
What is important is not what people say, but what Jesus said and what logic indicates.
Reason on this: If Jesus has a God even in heaven (Rev. 3:12), can Jesus be the God of gods (Josh. 22:22)? What does your rational mind tell you about this reasoning?
Revelation 13:8 is the great apostasy.
Revelation 13:8 "And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."
Grailhunter
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You are correct in that most people now a days consider the definition of the Trinity as various wordings of three Gods in one. That is because they have been deceived by the Roman Catholic doctrine which was force onto Christianity.
But the word Trinity was used by Christians long before the Ecumenical Councils and it did not have definition of three in one.
In fact various Christians had different beliefs regarding the Trinity and those beliefs could not be agreed upon, but it was mostly about the unity of the three Gods. But Emperor Constantine insisted upon a ruling….they did not come to an agreement and the ruling was not popular or biblical. People died over this.
The Protestants adopted this Roman Catholic doctrine as well as the doctrine of Original Sin. Neither of which are true.
RLT63
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The Son is subservient to the Father, the Holy Spirit is subservient to both.
But it is a willing subservience, they are still equal,
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You do know When Christ left the glory He had with the Father, he humbled-emptied Himself and did not consider equality with God
something to be grasped, He let all of that go, even though it was His, and it was His choice to let go of that.
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who, although He existed in the form and unchanging essence of God [as One with Him, possessing the fullness of all the divine attributes—the entire nature of deity], did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped or asserted [as if He did not already possess it, or was afraid of losing it];
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Who, although being essentially one with God and in the form of God [possessing the fullness of the attributes which make God God], did not think this equality with God was a thing to be eagerly grasped or retained,
And now, He is back with the Father in glory with Him and in full complete entire control. He got all the power and authority over all of creation in heaven and earth.
When Jesus began his career as a preacher of the Kingdom of God, he was not sent to choose followers who were not Jews. One of the reasons was that the promises of the kingdom were given to them first.
After the foundations of Christianity were already laid by Jesus, after the Master died, Christians received instructions from heaven to take the message of the kingdom to non-Jews.
Why is the foundation of the kingdom in Judaism? Because Jews had a relationship with the true God from ancient times. They knew who God was and what role the Messiah that God was going to send them would play.
The non-Jews did not know these things, so when non-Jews began to become Christians, as branches grafted into the kingdom, they had to learn basic lessons about who God is, who Jesus is, what it means to repent, what the resurrection of the dead is, what the judgment that humanity will receive is, and other important aspects.
The carelessness of the religious people after the death of the apostles led them to deviate from the fundamental teachings they had received from the first Jews converted to Christianity and anointed with the Holy Spirit. They set aside the God of Jesus and became involved in endless vain philosophical discussions, which led them away from the truth. They were no longer Jews, even in the most basic sense; they had become closer to Roman paganism and Greek philosophy than to the apostolic teachings.
After the foundations of Christianity were already laid by Jesus, after the Master died, Christians received instructions from heaven to take the message of the kingdom to non-Jews.
Why is the foundation of the kingdom in Judaism? Because Jews had a relationship with the true God from ancient times. They knew who God was and what role the Messiah that God was going to send them would play.
The non-Jews did not know these things, so when non-Jews began to become Christians, as branches grafted into the kingdom, they had to learn basic lessons about who God is, who Jesus is, what it means to repent, what the resurrection of the dead is, what the judgment that humanity will receive is, and other important aspects.
The carelessness of the religious people after the death of the apostles led them to deviate from the fundamental teachings they had received from the first Jews converted to Christianity and anointed with the Holy Spirit. They set aside the God of Jesus and became involved in endless vain philosophical discussions, which led them away from the truth. They were no longer Jews, even in the most basic sense; they had become closer to Roman paganism and Greek philosophy than to the apostolic teachings.
The story of Jesus does not end with what he left behind to come to earth, but with what he accomplished when he remained faithful to God.
Eph. 1:16 (...) I continue mentioning you in my prayers, 17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the accurate knowledge of him. 18 He has enlightened the eyes of your heart, so that you may know to what hope he called you, what glorious riches he holds as an inheritance for the holy ones, 19 and how surpassing the greatness of his power is toward us believers. It is according to the operation of the mightiness of his strength, 20 which he exercised toward Christ when he raised him up from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places, 21 far above every government and authority and power and lordship and every name that is named, not only in this system of things but also in that to come. 22 He also subjected all things under his feet and made him head over all things with regard to the congregation, 23 which is his body, the fullness of him who fills up all things in all.
Phil. 2:7 (...) he emptied himself and took a slave’s form and became human. 8 More than that, when he came as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to the point of death, yes, death on a torture stake. 9 For this very reason, God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name, 10 so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend—of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground— 11 and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.
Can God be exalted to a higher position than He already has? Who would be superior to God so that He could be promoted and given more authority?
Those who believe that Jesus is God cannot understand the real history of Jesus, neither from his beginning in heaven, nor his exaltation. The Jesus they speak of is totally different from the one in the Scriptures.
David in NJ
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AGREE
Let's perfect your true statement.
'They do not believe the Christ of the Holy Scriptures Who is the only One Who can save them, for they are blinded by relying on fallen/darkened human intellect which cannot SEE.'
If you follow the posts of many on here, they only accept the man Jesus as a 'purpose' of God to take away sins by His sacrifice.
They look at Jesus sacrifice no different then the animals that were sacrificed under the OT.
In other words, Jesus the man was disposable and we only need to worship 'jehovah' whereby the LORD Jesus Christ is disregarded.
To make their dilemma even more tragic, they believe they should never pray to the Lord Jesus Christ.
Thus they are under a false christ, just as the Lord warned us of in Matthew chapter 24.
amigo de christo
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sounds like an old dolly parton song , HERE WE GO AGAIN ,
some folks just have no idea . march onwards in the trenches my friend .
Yeah, I worry about that. Jesus warned us and over and over.
They likely think the same of me!
It's ok, wisdom is justified by all her children, God knows those who are His.
David in NJ
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amigo de christo
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Go to and behold and ye shall see even more abominations than these . ITS ALL SURFACING NOW david .
the sheep alone shall discern those who Love GOD from those who know and love HIM NOT .
the great peak of that hour is upon us and a great and greater rift between those WHO KNOW HIM
and those who only profess to know Him shall be seen .
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