THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

[keithr]

God cannot be subjected unto Himself???

No. That's absurd, and it only makes sense to you because you believe that God is three seperate beings.

Deuteronomy 6:4
WEB:

(4) Hear, Israel: Yahweh is our God. Yahweh is one.​

MKJV:

(4) Hear, O, Israel. Jehovah our God is one Jehovah.​

LSV:

(4) Hear, O Israel: Our God YHWH—YHWH [is] one!​

It is the SON who subjects Himself unto His FATHER

God's son, not "the SON". God's son is not God! You are not your father or your mother! Can't you understand how silly and illogical it is to claim that God's son is God?!

and
What about the Holy Spirit = to whom is HE subjected to???

Well indeed! God is a spirit, God is holy, and God's spirit is therefore holy. The Holy Spirit is just God doing things, whether is is making things happen or whether it's abiding with us. It's the influence or action of God. It is not a seperate being, seperate from God. So to answer your question, the "Holy Spirit" is subjected to God.

 

[Grailhunter]

I believe in…
God the Father…Yahweh…God Almighty…Creator of Heaven and Earth and Adam and Eve…..

God the Son…Yeshua…the Son of God…Messiah…Savior.

God the Holy Spirit…the unnamed God…helper…guide… teacher… strengthener….nurturer…..

I believe the word Trinity expresses three Gods in unity. The Godhead
Not Three in one God.

Grailhunter’s Corner

******************The concepts of the Trinity in motion**************** Over a hundred scriptural reasons why the one God formula for the Trinity is false. Note: Feel free to verify all scriptural references in your own favorite translation. This is a topic that is easy to prove because it...

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[Ritajanice]

MUST be THREE DIVINE BEINGS involved in Salvation for the world

Of course they are all involved, that doesn’t make Jesus nor the Holy Spirit God.

 

[Scott Downey]

The only begotten Son of God and how this supports the Trinity of God.

Good reading

What is the Meaning of "Begotten" in the Bible?

John 3:16, “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.” What is the meaning of begotten?

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[keithr]

So, then JW believe in more than one God.

How do you deduce that from what I wrote? Not that it's relevant to the topic of this thread.

 

[Ritajanice]

I believe the word Trinity expresses three Gods in unity

Bingo!!!

 

[Marvelloustime]

@amigo de christo

 

[Scott Downey]

So JW is a reactionary belief system against the Catholics and Protestants?

 

[RedFan]

I believe the word Trinity expresses three Gods in unity. The Godhead
Not Three in one God.

Most people use the word "Trinity" to reference three "persons" in one God. Tritheism and Trinitarianism are not considered the same.

 

[Scott Downey]

Of course they are all involved, that doesn’t make Jesus nor the Holy Spirit God.

Since God says all men have sinned, how can Christ be our savior if he is just a man?
And there are only 3 things, man, angel, God that he could possibly be.

The Savior had to be perfect and never sinned.

Romans 3
22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all [a]and on all who believe. For there is no difference; 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified [b]freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,

 

[Eternally Grateful]

No I do not..

He had to grow in Mary’s womb..Jesus is not God, he came from God’s seed.

and here we go..

 

[Ritajanice]

Since God says all men have sinned, how can Christ be our savior if he is just a man?

He was anointed by God..he accomplished what God had him accomplish, to be a part of setting us free from sin.he never sinned because he was anointed with Gods power, he still had the ability to sin if he chose to do so.

He kept in harmony with the Fathers will.just as we are taught to do, by the Holy Spirit.

And there are only 3 things, man, angel, God that he could possibly be.

The Savior had to be perfect and never sinned.

See above

Romans 3
22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all [a]and on all who believe. For there is no difference; 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified [b]freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Of course they are all involved, that doesn’t make Jesus nor the Holy Spirit God.

but they are..lol

God created the heavens and earth.

God the son helped in this creation

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Bingo!!!

Bingo?

did you just say the son and spirit are not God??

 

[Scott Downey]

He was anointed by God..he accomplished what God had him accomplish, to be a part of setting us free from sin.he never sinned because he was anointed with Gods power, he still had the ability to sin if he chose to do so.

He kept in harmony with the Fathers will.just as we are taught to do, by the Holy Spirit.

See above

God says ALL have sinned, If Christ was a man, then God lied.
But God cannot lie

Titus 1:2
in hope of eternal life which God, who cannot lie, promised before time began,

Somethings really are ABSOLUTE TRUTH

With humans though, the truth is relative, conditional.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

God says ALL have sinned, If Christ was a man, then God lied.
But God cannot lie

Titus 1:2
in hope of eternal life which God, who cannot lie, promised before time began,

Somethings really are ABSOLUTE TRUTH

amen

 

[Wrangler]

I believe the Spirit is starting to give me heart revelation..all In His timing ..what do you make of my post above @Wrangler ..,about the seed impregnating Mary’s womb?

She became pregnant by the Holy Spirit did she not?..which was a divine seed?..a living divine seed.

1st, “Seed” is a natural process of fertilization. I think we have to concede this event is of supernatural origin, which means the miraculous HOW is beyond our understanding.

2nd, the text cannot make sense if the Father is not Jesus’ father. In person, his glory is too much too behold for us humans as the experience with Moses and the Hebrews were terrified to hear his voice.

3rd, we should consider God’s spirit, his will be done as a matter of course, not fall for personification. We all do things per our spirit and will but these are not separate persons from us.

At every point a (3-person) person is inherently contradictory and contrary to Scripture. Joel 2:27 (REV)
You will know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am Yahweh your God, and there is no other; and my people will never again be disappointed

 

[Ritajanice]

God says ALL have sinned, If Christ was a man, then God lied.
But God cannot lie

Titus 1:2
in hope of eternal life which God, who cannot lie, promised before time began,

Somethings really are ABSOLUTE TRUTH

With humans though, the truth is relative, conditional.

You obviously never understood my post.

 

[Ritajanice]

I believe Jesus obviously came from the Father, as did the Holy Spirit...so 2 separate Gods who came from the seed of.God, yet they were not God themselves, they came from God.his Living seed..

We too are Born Of God, His seed remains in us.

Jesus was from the seed of God.

I’m enjoying this discussion..making me think

 

[ElieG12]

People talk as if "God" is a race of beings, a corporation, or a family name that is inherited. Others imagine that it is an invisible substance shared by several people.

Is that really what the word "God" means in the Scriptures?