THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

[Eternally Grateful]

I presume you mean "hard" rather than "Heard". God does love people! John 3:16 (WEB):

(16) For God so loved the world [all mankind], that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life.​

God was willing to let His most beloved Son die for us; that was a heartbreaking thing for Him to do. 1 John 4:8-11 (WEB):

(8) He who doesn’t love doesn’t know God, for God is love.​

(9) By this God’s love was revealed in us, that God has sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him.​

(10) In this is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son as the atoning sacrifice for our sins.​

(11) Beloved, if God loved us in this way, we also ought to love one another.​

Who is Gods son.

But God the son.

ie God

 

[JLB]

So, maybe it was Jesus.
That still doesn’t make him God.

The Angel of the LORD is clearly God.


And the Angel of the LORD appeared to him in a flame of fire


And Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look upon God.


Now Moses was tending the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian. And he led the flock to the back of the desert, and came to Horeb, the mountain of God. And the Angel of the LORD appeared to him in a flame of fire from the midst of a bush. So he looked, and behold, the bush was burning with fire, but the bush was not consumed. Then Moses said, “I will now turn aside and see this great sight, why the bush does not burn.”
So when the LORD saw that he turned aside to look, God called to him from the midst of the bush and said, “Moses, Moses!”
And he said, “Here I am.”
Then He said, “Do not draw near this place. Take your sandals off your feet, for the place where you stand is holy ground.” Moreover He said, “I am the God of your father—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” And Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look upon God. Exodus 3:1-6


And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, I AM has sent me to you.’ ” Exodus 3:14


Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by. John 8:58-59


Notice here that the Jews picked up stones to stone Him when He said He was I AM!


The Jews knew exactly what Jesus was saying.


Do you?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I have noticed something significant in all the back and forth here.

1) You are criticizing Trinitarians rather than the doctrine of the Trinity. (personal attacks)
2) You are NOT presenting anything that helps us understand or appreciate Unitarianism.

Don't you have a personal position to promote? All you are doing is tearing others down.

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Yes, That's why I just laugh at his posts now.

I sometimes seriously wonder if he is just playing games..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Check out the context. Verse 15 says: "You killed the author of life".
What do you suppose that means? Can a mere human be called the author of life?

Acts 3:13-15 NIV
The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers,
has glorified his servant Jesus. You handed him over to be killed,
and you disowned him before Pilate, though he had decided to let him go.
14 You disowned the Holy and Righteous One and asked that a murderer be released to you.
15 You killed the author of life, but God raised him from the dead. We are witnesses of this.

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Love this find. In my bible it says you killed the prince of life.

in the greek, the word is archegos - the origionator. or founder.The initiator, the cause., the prince, etc etc.

The killed the creator of life..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The Angel of the LORD is clearly God.


And the Angel of the LORD appeared to him in a flame of fire


And Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look upon God.


Now Moses was tending the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian. And he led the flock to the back of the desert, and came to Horeb, the mountain of God. And the Angel of the LORD appeared to him in a flame of fire from the midst of a bush. So he looked, and behold, the bush was burning with fire, but the bush was not consumed. Then Moses said, “I will now turn aside and see this great sight, why the bush does not burn.”
So when the LORD saw that he turned aside to look, God called to him from the midst of the bush and said, “Moses, Moses!”
And he said, “Here I am.”
Then He said, “Do not draw near this place. Take your sandals off your feet, for the place where you stand is holy ground.” Moreover He said, “I am the God of your father—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” And Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look upon God. Exodus 3:1-6


And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, I AM has sent me to you.’ ” Exodus 3:14


Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by. John 8:58-59


Notice here that the Jews picked up stones to stone Him when He said He was I AM!


The Jews knew exactly what Jesus was saying.


Do you?

Amen, Can add this to the list I gave earlier

 

[Ritajanice]

Aren't you going to fix your topic title? (not hard to do)

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No!!..I don’t take orders from you!!l..

Hehehe..

 

[JLB]

You can’t split the coin; all angels are of the LORD.

Yes all angels are of the LORD.

They are all messengers of the LORD.

They are all sons of God.

God the Father is the Father of all spirits.


One however is the only Begotten of the Father.

 

[Scott Downey]

Another proof of the Son as God

Hebrews 1
8 But to the Son He says:

“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A [f]scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
10 And:

“You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
11 They will perish, but You remain;
And they will all grow old like a garment;
12 Like a cloak You will fold them up,
And they will be changed.
But You are the same,
And Your years will not fail.”

Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You

Therefore God the Son, Your God the Father, has anointed You

is a perfect reading due to what is said in v8, which is refering to the SON.

8 But to the Son He says:

“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;

“Your throne, O God the Son, is forever and ever;

and agrees with Psalm 110

The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand,
Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.”

 

[keithr]

Who is Gods son.

But God the son.

ie God

The phrase "God the son" does not appear anywhere in the Bible.

1 John 4:9 (UASV+):

(9) In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, so that we might live through him.​

If God sent His only Son begotten into the world, how can His only begotten Son be God? That's an absurd statement to make, lacking simple common sense and reason. God cannot beget Himself - that defies all logic.

If you send your only son to school, your son is not you. The same logic applies to God sending His only Son into the world. Even a simple child would understand that.

 

[St. SteVen]

No!!..I don’t take orders from you!!l..

Hehehe..

It's not an order. I was just trying to help.

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[Scott Downey]

The phrase "God the son" does not appear anywhere in the Bible.

1 John 4:9 (UASV+):

(9) In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, so that we might live through him.​

If God sent His only Son begotten into the world, how can His only begotten Son be God? That's an absurd statement to make, lacking simple common sense and reason. God cannot beget Himself - that defies all logic.

If you send your only son to school, your son is not you. The same logic applies to God sending His only Son into the world. Even a simple child would understand that.

Of course they are distinct persons. Father, Son, Spirit are all of God together.

And Christ is in the form of God

The Humbled and Exalted Christ​

5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it [b]robbery to be equal with God, 7 but [c]made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. 9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

This can not be ignored.

 

[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
The Angel of the Lord isn't technically an angel

Words have meaning! A is A. Most certainly an angel is an angel.

If words don’t have meaning, there is also no basis to support the trinity.

What is the definition of the word angel?

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[St. SteVen]

Words have meaning! A is A. Most certainly an angel is an angel.

If words don’t have meaning, there is also no basis to support the trinity.

Jesus said he was the bread of life.
Does that mean he was a literal loaf of bread?

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[Behold]

If God sent His only Son begotten into the world, how can His only begotten Son be God?

Jn 1:1 "and the WORD was GOD"

= Jn 1:14 "the WORD became Flesh" (Human)

= 1 Tim 3:16

= John 1:10

= Colossians 1:16

= "My Lord and my : GOD"..... said Thomas the Apostle.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The phrase "God the son" does not appear anywhere in the Bible.

1 John 4:9 (UASV+):

(9) In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, so that we might live through him.​

So he is the begotten of God not of man.

Gods son is God. Before abraham He is.

So what is he, was he an angel? Or was He god. those are the only two possibilities, Because he was not created whem Mary gave birth, he came down from heaven

Considering in the book of Hebrews he is called God. I will trust the word.

If God sent His only Son begotten into the world, how can His only begotten Son be God? That's an absurd statement to make, lacking simple common sense and reason. God cannot beget Himself - that defies all logic.

Dude, why the attitude. what is it with you people and you r need to attack people who do not agree with you?

its not obsurd. It is completely logical in the grand scheme ot things. Just because you do not understand it does not mean everyone does not.

If you send your only son to school, your son is not you. The same logic applies to God sending His only Son into the world. Even a simple child would understand that.

lol.. My son is part of my namesake. my family. my kin.

same difference..

only in this case. The son is the alpha and omega, the first and last. through him the universe was created. Through him mankind was formed..

I mean come on, If you disagree, disagree. but stop with the nonsense

It may be absurd to you. But to many others. it is totally logical

 

[Wrangler]

Jesus said he was the bread of life.
Does that mean he was a literal loaf of bread?

Jesus did not say he was a bread of life literally in one place but figuratively in another place. We'll have to leave it discerning the word correctly, confusing literal and figurative language.

I rest on the fact that the trinity is not in the Bible as well as the ABC's and 123's of making the anti-trinity easy. Did you see this? I don't recall you responding to it.

 

[David in NJ]

“of God”, not “God”. The chief angel is still an angel. And “of God.”

And Moses and the Israelites (and Jews) worshipped “Yahweh / Yehovah”, the God of Jesus & Martha. — John 20:17.

Angels were created by God - Yes or No???

 

[Wrangler]

St. SteVen said:
The Angel of the Lord isn't technically an angel

What is the definition of the word angel?

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The definition does not matter. Whatever it is, A is A. In addition, Jesus is not an angel.

We know this by 2 means. In Hebrews, it says Jesus is above the angels. Regarding your particular ploy of the Angel of the Lord, observe Luke 2:9 Suddenly, an angel of the Lord appeared among them, and the radiance of the Lord’s glory surrounded them. They were terrified.

So, there was Jesus just born and an angel of the Lord announced his arrival. They are not one in the same.

 

[David in NJ]

So he is the begotten of God not of man.

Gods son is God. Before abraham He is.

So what is he, was he an angel? Or was He god. those are the only two possibilities, Because he was not created whem Mary gave birth, he came down from heaven

Considering in the book of Hebrews he is called God. I will trust the word.

Dude, why the attitude. what is it with you people and you r need to attrack people who do not agree with you?

its not obserd. It is completely logical in the grand scheme ot things. Just because you do not understand it does not mean everyone does not.



lol.. My sin is part of my namesake. my family. my kin.

same difference..

only in this case. The son is the alpha and omega, the first and last. through him the universe was created. Through him mankind was formed..

I mean come on, If you disagree, disagree. but stop with the nonsense

It may be absurd to you. But to many others. it is totally logical

There be many types of logic.
Here are few

a.) Biblical logic
b.) Religious logic
c.) Atheistic logic
d.) Governmental logic
e.) Satanic logic
f.) Military logic

 

[Wrangler]

Yes all angels are of the LORD.

They are all messengers of the LORD.

They are all sons of God.

God the Father is the Father of all spirits.


One however is the only Begotten of the Father.

Until the rest of us came along. All first borns are the only begotten - until the next child comes along. Here is another contradiction. We are all children of God and there is only one child of God.