Eternally Grateful
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Thats the basis of christianity. To worship the lord God and our redeemer.
A few posts I have seen today make me have second thoughts about failure to believe in the trinity is ok..
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A few posts I have seen today make me have second thoughts about failure to believe in the trinity is ok..
Aunty Jane
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I keep seeing you ignore some very obvious clues in the verses you quote but they seem to go right over your head….
8 Bible verses about Worshipping Christ
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And who is this guy?
The Commander of the Army of the Lord
13 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted his eyes and looked, and behold, a Man stood opposite him with His sword drawn in His hand. And Joshua went to Him and said to Him, “Are You for us or for our adversaries?”
14 So He said, “No, but as Commander of the army of the Lord I have now come.”
And Joshua fell on his face to the earth and worshiped, and said to Him, “What does my Lord say to His servant?”
15 Then the Commander of the Lord’s army said to Joshua, “Take your sandal off your foot, for the place where you stand is holy.” And Joshua did so.
The title of the one who stood before Joshua was “Commander of the army of the Lord”. Who was “the Lord” to Joshua? If you read this account in the Jewish Tanakh you will see that “the Lord” is Yahweh. And this one was the Commander of God’s army of angels. This make the one who appeared to Joshua the same one who appeared to Abraham and who is mentioned in Daniel as “Michael the great Prince”.
The one who commands the angels is the Archangel Michael. Jesus is also said to command the angels. I believe that these two are one and the same person with different names as Jesus has several. Yahweh has only one name, throughout the entire Bible, God has one name. (Psalm 83:18).
Interesting question: Was the child in existence, even for a moment, BEFORE that entry? If not, then we should understand "The Word became flesh" as fleshy endowment of spirit rather than as spirit infusion of flesh.
Eternally Grateful
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The Body was not in existence. But the spirit or soul was in existence.
One of the things that humbles my spirit is to think the son of Man/Son of God at a split second in time, left his abode in heaven, set aside his diety. and entered that body born by Mary, and had to go through everything any human baby went through.
Just imagine, all so he could fullfill the law. and become that lamb of God who takes the sin of the world.
That depends on who you say Christ is.
Christ said He was the great I AM.
Exodus 3:14
And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’ ”
John 8:58
Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
John 9:9
Some said, “This is he.” Others said, “He is like him.” He said, “I am he.”
John 14:11
Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.
John 15:1
“I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser.
John 18:5
They answered Him, “Jesus of Nazareth.” Jesus said to them, “I am He.” And Judas, who betrayed Him, also stood with them.
John 18:6
Now when He said to them, “I am He,” they drew back and fell to the ground.
Neither did the jews recognize Christ
John 15:24
If I had not done among them the works which no one else did, they would have no sin; but now they have seen and also hated both Me and My Father.
Mark 14:61-63
61 But He kept silent and answered nothing.
Again the high priest asked Him, saying to Him, “Are You the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?”
62 Jesus said, “I am. And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.”
63 Then the high priest tore his clothes and said, “What further need do we have of witnesses?
It is indeed remarkable and humbling. My inquiry was more philosophical. If spirit "became" (egeneto) flesh, the flesh in question didn't precede that becoming. Quite the opposite. The incarnation wasn't an instance of spirit entering into a pre-existing fetus.
There was no fetus prior, there was a virgin, the only father of the child was God.
So the incarnation happened at the conception, then came the fetus, the child growing in the womb of Mary.
and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “God with us.”
Another proof the babe was God incarnate.
Christ Born of Mary
18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: After His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit. 19 Then Joseph her husband, being [f]a just man, and not wanting to make her a public example, was minded to put her away secretly. 20 But while he thought about these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife, for that which is [g]conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit. 21 And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name [h]Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.”22 So all this was done that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying: 23 “Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “God with us.”
24 Then Joseph, being aroused from sleep, did as the angel of the Lord commanded him and took to him his wife, 25 and [i]did not know her till she had brought forth her[j] firstborn Son. And he called His name Jesus.
Wrangler
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Wrangler
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Reading comprehension. The dog of the highlands is dog. The cat of the plains is still a cat.
Only in trinity land does a prepositional phrase alter the noun.
Wrangler
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Articles don’t modify nouns.
A computer v the computer. Not a non-computer.
I presume you mean "hard" rather than "Heard". God does love people! John 3:16 (WEB):
(16) For God so loved the world [all mankind], that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
God was willing to let His most beloved Son die for us; that was a heartbreaking thing for Him to do. 1 John 4:8-11 (WEB):
(8) He who doesn’t love doesn’t know God, for God is love.
(9) By this God’s love was revealed in us, that God has sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him.
(10) In this is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son as the atoning sacrifice for our sins.
(11) Beloved, if God loved us in this way, we also ought to love one another.
Wrangler
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Then you have no business advocating it as true.
I understand the trinity and it is anti-Scriptural. Get that? Not only is it (the concept) not in Scripture, it goes against Scripture says.
Wrangler
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We are all children of God. John 1:12.
The only reason Acts 3:13 calls Jesus a servant of God is because he is another being serving the Supreme Being.
St. SteVen
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St. SteVen said:
More than three?
Jesus is one of the three.
St. SteVen said:
The Angel of the Lord isn't technically an angel.
The Angel of the Lord is only an angel in function, not in essence.
Did you already forget about the burning bush?
Who was in the burning bush?
Exodus 3:2 NIV
There the angel of the Lord appeared to him in flames of fire from within a bush.
Moses saw that though the bush was on fire it did not burn up.
Exodus 3:11 NIV
But Moses said to God, “Who am I that I should go to Pharaoh and bring the Israelites out of Egypt?”
John 8:57-59 NIV
“You are not yet fifty years old,” they said to him, “and you have seen Abraham!”
58 “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”
59 At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself,
slipping away from the temple grounds.
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More than three?
Jesus is one of the three.
Not at all.
St. SteVen said:
The Angel of the Lord isn't technically an angel.
LOL
The Angel of the Lord is only an angel in function, not in essence.
Did you already forget about the burning bush?
Who was in the burning bush?
Exodus 3:2 NIV
There the angel of the Lord appeared to him in flames of fire from within a bush.
Moses saw that though the bush was on fire it did not burn up.
Exodus 3:11 NIV
But Moses said to God, “Who am I that I should go to Pharaoh and bring the Israelites out of Egypt?”
John 8:57-59 NIV
“You are not yet fifty years old,” they said to him, “and you have seen Abraham!”
58 “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”
59 At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself,
slipping away from the temple grounds.
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St. SteVen
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I have noticed something significant in all the back and forth here.
1) You are criticizing Trinitarians rather than the doctrine of the Trinity. (personal attacks)
2) You are NOT presenting anything that helps us understand or appreciate Unitarianism.
Don't you have a personal position to promote? All you are doing is tearing others down.
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St. SteVen
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Check out the context. Verse 15 says: "You killed the author of life".
What do you suppose that means? Can a mere human be called the author of life?
Acts 3:13-15 NIV
The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers,
has glorified his servant Jesus. You handed him over to be killed,
and you disowned him before Pilate, though he had decided to let him go.
14 You disowned the Holy and Righteous One and asked that a murderer be released to you.
15 You killed the author of life, but God raised him from the dead. We are witnesses of this.
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St. SteVen
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Wrangler
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Words have meaning! A is A. Most certainly an angel is an angel.
If words don’t have meaning, there is also no basis to support the trinity.
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