THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

[keithr]

Same Lord that appeared to Moses?

The Scriptures say, Exodus 3:2 (WEB):

(2) Yahweh’s angel appeared to him in a flame of fire out of the middle of a bush. He looked, and behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.​

Psalms 104:4 (WEB):

(4) He (Yahweh) makes his messengers winds; his servants flames of fire.​

What Moses saw was just fire. The Scriptures don't specify that it was God's only begotten son, it just says an angel (messenger). Paul quotes the above verse in Hebrews 1:7-8 (WEB):

(7) Of the angels he says, “Who makes his angels winds, and his servants a flame of fire.”​

(8) But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever. The scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your Kingdom.​

so he seemingly distinguishes between the angels and the Son of God, saying (verse 4) Jesus had "become so much better than the angels" (and after all, Jesus had created the angels - Colossians 1:16 "For by him all things were created, in the heavens and on the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and for him").

 

[Wrangler]

The scripture plainly says The Angel of the LORD appeared to Moses.

Moses was afraid to look upon God.

So, the legions of Angels are now also God? Yet you hold to 3.

 

[Nancy]

It’s good to see you posting @Nancy .

As you don’t seem to post much these days I’ve noticed...not compared to when I first joined the forum that’s for sure,x

Yes, thank you R.J.,
It's been a really tough year for me in so many ways. I used to be on here like, 24-7! It feels good to get back to contributing here, rather than just lurking, lol.
Thanks sister

 

[Ritajanice]

Yes, thank you R.J.,
It's been a really tough year for me in so many ways. I used to be on here like, 24-7! It feels good to get back to contributing here, rather than just lurking, lol.
Thanks sister

Sorry to hear that Sis, it’s great to see you posting once again..,it really is.

 

[Wrangler]

I'm trying to get to the core issue of why Jesus being God cannot be a propiatation for our sins.

That’s easy!
P1. God cannot die.
P2. Death is the wages of sin.
C. Proportion for our sins must come through a mortal Being.

Trinitarians invent this fiction that only God can pay for the sins of the world. This contradicts Scripture that sin entered the world by one man and by one man, the New Adam, sin will be defeated.

@Aunty Jane has written a great piece on this, which is very thorough with many Scripture verses.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You see what you want to see and ignore the context. Be paitent and you can be revealed its truth.
F2F

Actually this is you

again, the greek words do not support your theory..

 

[David in NJ]

Hello David, not quite sure what you are looking for here. I believe in the Trinity and that Jesus was God Himself with flesh when He came, and He still is. That what you were looking for?

Good Morning Nancy,
You were invited on that specific post because i know you believe in the FATHER/SON/HOLY SPIRIT are Echad Elohim(One God).
My purpose is to encourage you in what you already know to be TRUTH and in Hope for others to SEE what you SEE.

The SAME Lord who delivered the children of Israel from bondage to Pharoah/Egypt, is the SAME Lord who came to earth in the body of a man to deliver every nation/tribe and tongue from the bondage of Satan and being a slave to sin.

Exodus chapter 12 - A lamb for each household....slain at midnight.....blood must be placed on the lintel and posts of your house(Cross).

Exodus 13:1 - Then Moses said to the people, “Remember this day when you came out of Egypt, out of the place of slavery

John 1:29 - The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!

Luke 9:28-31 - Now it came to pass, about eight days after these sayings, that He took Peter, John, and James and went up on the mountain to pray. As He prayed, the appearance of His face was altered, and His robe became white and glistening.
And behold, two men talked with Him, who were Moses and Elijah,
who appeared in glory and spoke of His(Jesus) PASSOVER which He was about to accomplish at Jerusalem

What the LORD accomplished in the OT with Passover was a foreshadow of CHRIST who is our Passover Lamb of God.

1 Corinthians 5:7
Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened.
For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us.

SAME Lord who delivered the OT Israelites came to earth to save the Israelites AGAIN = John 1:9-13

Isaiah 59:20 Prophecy fulfilled in the Lord Jesus Christ
“The Redeemer will come to Zion, And to those who turn from transgression in Jacob,” Says the LORD.

SHALOM

 

[David in NJ]

That’s easy!
P1. God cannot die.
P2. Death is the wages of sin.
C. Proportion for our sins must come through a mortal Being.

Trinitarians invent this fiction that only God can pay for the sins of the world. This contradicts Scripture that sin entered the world by one man and by one man, the New Adam, sin will be defeated.

@Aunty Jane has written a great piece on this, which is very thorough with many Scripture verses.

Only the physical body(Jesus) died on the Cross.

The Word that was God inside the physical body of Jesus NEVER died.

Luke 23:44
Now it was about the sixth hour, and there was darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour.
Then the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was torn in two.
And when Jesus had cried out with a loud voice, He said, “Father, ‘into Your hands I commit My spirit.’ ”
Having said this, He breathed His last.

 

[Grailhunter]

Maybe you are not aware that everyone in the Old Testament whereby the LORD appeared to them was seeing the Son not God the Father.


No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him. John 1:18


When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to Abram and said to him, “I am Almighty God; walk before Me and be blameless. Genesis 17:1


It was Jesus Christ the Son who appeared to Abraham and made covenant with him.


Words of Christ in red:


“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.” Revelation 1:8

So funny!

 

[David in NJ]

Maybe you are not aware that everyone in the Old Testament whereby the LORD appeared to them was seeing the Son not God the Father.


No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him. John 1:18


When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to Abram and said to him, “I am Almighty God; walk before Me and be blameless. Genesis 17:1


It was Jesus Christ the Son who appeared to Abraham and made covenant with him.


Words of Christ in red:


“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.” Revelation 1:8

HalleluYAH

Believing is SEEING

Doubting is peeing

 

[David in NJ]

The Scriptures say, Exodus 3:2 (WEB):

(2) Yahweh’s angel appeared to him in a flame of fire out of the middle of a bush. He looked, and behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.​

Psalms 104:4 (WEB):

(4) He (Yahweh) makes his messengers winds; his servants flames of fire.​

What Moses saw was just fire. The Scriptures don't specify that it was God's only begotten son, it just says an angel (messenger). Paul quotes the above verse in Hebrews 1:7-8 (WEB):

(7) Of the angels he says, “Who makes his angels winds, and his servants a flame of fire.”​

(8) But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever. The scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your Kingdom.​

so he seemingly distinguishes between the angels and the Son of God, saying (verse 4) Jesus had "become so much better than the angels" (and after all, Jesus had created the angels - Colossians 1:16 "For by him all things were created, in the heavens and on the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and for him").

Moses witnessed with his eyes MUCH MORE then just fire, oh @keither

"Then He said, “I will make all My goodness pass before you, and I will proclaim the name of the Lord before you. I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.” But He said, “You cannot see My face; for no man shall see Me, and live.” And the Lord said, “Here is a place by Me, and you shall stand on the rock. So it shall be, while My glory passes by, that I will put you in the cleft of the rock, and will cover you with My hand while I pass by.
Then I will take away My hand, and you shall see My back; but My face shall not be seen.”

 

[Ritajanice]

I’m still trying to get my head round this trinity business @David in NJ .

If Jesus is God, why doesn’t he know about this?

Also Jesus is seated with God at his right hand, how can that make him God?

What Jesus is seated at his right hand, is it Jesus that walked the earth, only he now has a glorified body?

Matthew 24:36 ►

Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. New Living Translation “However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows. English Standard Version “But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only. Berean Standard Bible No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father

 

[Wrangler]

You see what you want to see and ignore the context. Be paitent and you can be revealed its truth.
F2F

Actually this is you

again, the greek words do not support your theory..

@Eternally Grateful, I agree with @face2face; you disregard the basic facts that:

1. The trinity is not in the Bible for it was written by monotheist Jews who reject the trinity to this day.
2. Jesus did not teach the trinity.
3. Jesus did not teach us to worship him or a trinity but to pray only to the one true God, who we relate to as Father.
4. The Bible teaches that for us, there is one God, the Father.
5. This teaching is consistent with the singular pronoun in the 1C, you shall have no god before me.
6. God's eternal name is YHWH, not Jesus, and he is referred to using singular pronouns 1,000's of times.
7. Jesus has a God, who is the Father.

 

[Ritajanice]

If Jesus was God’s Son, which we know he was, then he was spiritual , his Spirit had the power of God in it, that’s why he could do all that he did.,he was God’s mouthpiece ,spoke on his behalf..or God spoke through him, that’s what I believe,

1:18-25; Luke 1:26-38). The Son, from the Father and by the supernatural and sanctifying agency of the Spirit, without change or loss of his deity, added a second nature to himself consisting of a human body and soul (John 1:14, Phil. 2:6-8).

 

[St. SteVen]

I’m still trying to get my head round this trinity business @David in NJ .

If Jesus is God, why doesn’t he know about the second coming?

God the Father sets the time.

You could ask the same question about why the Holy Spirit relays info from Jesus, or the Father to us.
If the Holy Spirit is God, doesn't he already know? Not the way it works.

Same with the mind of Christ that we have. See if you can wrap your head around this scripture.
The whole Trinity is referred to. The quote is from Isaiah, so refers to God the Father.

1 Corinthians 2:15-16 NIV
The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things,
but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments, 16 for,
“Who has known the mind of the Lord
so as to instruct him?”[a]
But we have the mind of Christ.

Isaiah 40:13 Peshitta
Who has directed the Spirit of LORD JEHOVAH
or who was Lord of Counsel to him?

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[Ritajanice]

Jesus did not teach us to worship

True, I can only thank him, for going to the cross.

I can only worship God, I can do this as a Born Again.,

I also take my orders so to speak from the Holy Spirit, he is the one who leads me into God’s truth, brings everything to my understanding , but, I must wait on him to bring what I don’t know to my understanding..if that makes sense.

 

[St. SteVen]

his Spirit had the power of God in it, that’s why he could do all that he did

I believe that Jesus performed miracles in his humanity. Like us, he was a conduit for God's power.
Remember, he put his deity aside taking the form of a servant.

The Word was God. The Word became flesh.

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[Ritajanice]

God the Father sets the time.

If Jesus was God then he would know the time.,he doesn’t.

 

[Wrangler]

If Jesus is God, why doesn’t he know about this?

The answer only explains inequality; it does not make unequal mean equal.

 

[Ritajanice]

I believe that Jesus performed miracles in his humanity

As a human, so you believe he parted the Sea of Galilee , by human strength ..?

How did he exactly part that sea?