THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

[Wrangler]

No. i am deliberately speaking of Spiritual points from a spiritual standpoint, which should make No sense to a carnal minds understanding.

Glory to God,
Taken

Conceding that God’s words can mean whatever you want them to mean.

 

[Scott Downey]

I don’t understand any of that, I understand that I am a partaker Of the divine nature as I’m Born Of The Spirit.

Yes, well this speaking of being a partaker of flesh and blood, it explains why Christ had to humble Himself and be born as a man, even though He is the Lord of Life. God is gentle and careful with those who are and will be His. So he is fully able to empathize with our condition, the things we go through down here. This also speaks to the fellowship of the Father and the Son with us.

1 John 1
1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, concerning the Word of life— 2 the life was manifested, and we have seen, and bear witness, and declare to you that eternal life which was with the Father and was manifested to us— 3 that which we have seen and heard we declare to you, that you also may have fellowship with us; and truly our fellowship is with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ. 4 And these things we write to you that [a]your joy may be full.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I didn't say that he succeeded.
But let's try a test.

How many Gods are there?

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Or how many induviduals claim to be God

 

[Ritajanice]

Yes, well this speaking of being a partaker of flesh and blood, it explains why Christ had to humble Himself and be born as a man, even though He is the Lord of Life.

God gives life ..via Holy Spirit.

God is gentle and careful with those who are and will be His. So he is fully able to empathize with our condition, the things we go through down here. This also speaks to the fellowship of the Father and the Son with us.

 

[Scott Downey]

If that is the interpretation of the word "firstborn" for you, would you say that God the Father is also "Firstborn of all creation"?

No, as Christ is the one come down from Heaven, sent by the Father.
The Father remained in Heaven, and after Christ finished His work and was resurrected, Christ went back to the glory He had with the Father, before the world existed. They each have their own roles.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Well, you said Christ had a part, but really they had an equal part.
I got the impression Christ had a minor part by what you said.

Since Christ was without beginning or ending, uncreated, they are of the same nature as God, Father and Son together.

Christ had a part.

I think his death was the most important part..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You say Jesus had no beginning, but the Scriptures call Jesus "the firstborn of all creation" in Col. 1:15.
Interesting, right?

But the author of Hebrews said Jesus is like Melchizadech, No beinning or end. no father or mother.

The flesh child had a birth.

The spirit child has always been

 

[Scott Downey]

God gives life ..via Holy Spirit.

John 11
25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. 26 And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”

27 She said to Him, “Yes, Lord, I believe that You are the Christ, the Son of God, who is to come into the world.”

The Holy Spirit of course is working, They all work together in Harmony.

 

[Ritajanice]

John 11
25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. 26 And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”

27 She said to Him, “Yes, Lord, I believe that You are the Christ, the Son of God, who is to come into the world.”

No Born Again, no working of the Holy Spirit within our hearts.

The Holy Spirit of course is working, They all work together in Harmony.

 

[Wrangler]

Jesus was God. And he is God.

No Scripture says this.

 

[Marvelloustime]

I have FINISHED THE WORKS . My FATHER Has been working , I have been working .
MANIFESTATION was to come . what was hidden to be revealed , what torah , law and prophets
and even before the law came had been mentioned . Jacob himself , later surnamed ISRAEL
seen the connection between GOD and man in dream . A dream that would later be manifested
in GODS TIME . Moses heard the voice and heard the name . JESUS MANIFESTED THE NAME .
What did jacob dream . what did HE see in his dream .
I beheld this ladder from Heaven to earth and upon that ladder angels ascending and descending .
What DID JESUS tell nathianeil in whom he said was no guile . YE BELEIVE because i told you i seen you under the tree .
BEHOLD YOU SHALL SEE GREATER things than these , ye shall see the heavens opened
and the angels of GOD ascending and descending upon THE SON OF MAN . THERE IS A TON of gems in that bible
that POINT TO CHRIST . today many had rather point to intefaith and its god .

@amigo de christo

 

[Scott Downey]

No Born Again, no working of the Holy Spirit within our hearts.

John 5
24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

Because you are born again, which comes first, you believed, as otherwise, you cannot see or enter the kingdom of God.

John 3
3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born [a]again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

4 Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?”

5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

9 Nicodemus answered and said to Him, “How can these things be?”

10 Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things? 11 Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? 13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man [b]who is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should [c]not perish but have eternal life

 

[Wrangler]

Obviously, the apostles regarded Jehovah as Sovereign Lord, and Jesus as his Anointed One and his Holy Servant. Why do most Christians today ignore whom the apostles respected in such a way?

IDOLATRY.

 

[Ritajanice]

John 11
25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. 26 And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”

27 She said to Him, “Yes, Lord, I believe that You are the Christ, the Son of God, who is to come into the world.”

The Holy Spirit of course is working, They all work together in Harmony.

I can only believe what I had testified to my spirit...i can only believe in Jesus by the testimony of the Holy Spirit, to my heart/ spirit...only by his testimony do i know Jesus...scripture confirms this..

Scripture knowledge does not birth our spirit I’m afraid, Living knowledge of God came to me by = supernatural divine heart revelation.

 

[Wrangler]

whats even more funny is you can not prove that adam did not see God.

I don’t have to prove it. The burden is on you, who are making a positive claim. This is how logic, law and statistics work.

 

[Wrangler]

Dude, I have so many passages, Any of them by themselves would show the truth.

@face2face, see? Just like I said. They claim mountains of support exist while ignoring the trinity is not in the Bible.

 

[Ritajanice]

John 5
24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

Because you are born again, which comes first, you believed, as otherwise, you cannot see or enter the kingdom of God.

John 3
3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born [a]again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

4 Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?”

5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

9 Nicodemus answered and said to Him, “How can these things be?”

10 Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things? 11 Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? 13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man [b]who is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should [c]not perish but have eternal life

You can’t believe in Jesus, not until you are Born Again..God brings us to initially believe in Jesus, then to know Of Jesus in our spirit, then we must be birthed by the Holy Spirit.

 

[Wrangler]

In the OT. When we are told his name will be Immanuel (god with us)

A title for the Anointed is not a name for YHWH.

 

[Marvelloustime]

she does david i am one of them .

@David in NJ I’m also one of them on ignore as well as brother @amigo de christo

 

[Ritajanice]

Because you are born again, which comes first, you believed, as otherwise, you cannot see or enter the kingdom of God.

I initially believed in Jesus , because God drew me to believe...you can’t believe that Jesus is who he says he is, not until you have had that testified to your spirit by the Living Holy Spirit.thats why you must be Born Of The Spirit...otherwise you can not communicate with God via his Holy Spirit.

Human belief is dead has no power, God brings us to believe and by his mercy and grace, births us in the Spirit.