THE Trinity can Now be discussed.
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Not an interpretation, Jesus actually said those things, they are clearly said.
John 5 21 For as the Father raises the dead and gives life to them, even so the Son gives life to whom He will.
Luke 10 22 All[g] things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows who the Son is except the Father, and who the Father is except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.”
You won't know God unless Jesus reveals God to you, which also proves they are God and in control of all things. God gave to Christ all His authority and power as in God's authority and power was also given to the Son, the Father gave to the Son, as an inheritance from Father to Son. So it is shared between them.
So when you Honor the Son, you Honor the Father
and when you honor the Father, you are honoring the Son.
It is also why Jesus said to Philip,
John 14:8-9
Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us.” Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
They really are linked together as one uncreated God.
It was the will of the Father that I be grafted into the vine, Jesus had to die and be resurrected in order for that to happen...Jesus didn’t deliver me out of the bondage of sin, the Father had already chosen me and predestined me to become his child, before the foundation of the world....just like he had chosen and predestined to send Jesus to be the messiah,
It’s because of Jesus death etc, that I have been set free from sin, my Gods mercy and grace...hence becoming Born Of The Spirit ...The Holy Spirit who witnessed that truth to my spirit.
I don’t worship Jesus @David in NJ i only worship God...I thank Jesus from the depths of my heart for dying for my sin..then I thank the Father for his indwelling Holy Spirit..who is at work in my heart, making me into Jesus image , we should also bear fruit of the Spirit, if we are truly Born Again .
No, I go by the testimony of the Holy Spirit..not yours or wrangler.
David in NJ
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I’ve just given it David.i can’t help it if you don’t understand it now can I.
David in NJ
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Your Post 1003 did not address the Question from Post 963
No worries, take your time.
Yes, but Jesus did free you from Sin as He said
The Truth Shall Make You Free
31 Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, “If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. 32 And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”33 They answered Him, “We are Abraham’s descendants, and have never been in bondage to anyone. How can You say, ‘You will be made free’?”
34 Jesus answered them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin. 35 And a slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever. 36 Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.
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God has chosen to reveal Himself in different ways at different times.
And in the last Days He has done this by the Son, which is much more direct and personal.
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God, who [a]at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things,
Eternally Grateful
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Jesus was God. And he is God. And he was with God.
Plain and simple. it does not matter if the word trinity is in the bible.
He played a part in freeing me from sin.....God set me free from my sin, by his power.
Eternally Grateful
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Once again, Even in my version of the word. if something is missing in a text or ir something is say in the NASB but not in the KJV. then I would see in the bible I use, and the logos bible software I use that it is in the text.
the fact it is missing this leads me to believe that it most likely was not added.
Also. please note. THIS IS Not the only proof of the trinity.
again, You disagree, thats fine, Stop attacking a brother and calling him a liar. You have already claimed it is your mission to defeat what you do not agree with. hence you are a biased communicator in this discussion. No matter what is said, You will be biased to defeat anything that may possibly go towards a fact that Jesus is God (I am not even going to use the word trinity anymore. to me people are fighting a doctrine. And when this happens. any real discussion is next to impossible.
God determined your salvation from before time began as Paul shows us here, Christ was just as relevant as God in how that was worked out in your life.
1 Tim 2
8 Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me His prisoner, but share with me in the sufferings for the gospel according to the power of God, 9 who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began, 10 but has now been revealed by the appearing of our Savior Jesus Christ, who has abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel, 11 to which I was appointed a preacher, an apostle, and a teacher [c]of the Gentiles. 12 For this reason I also suffer these things; nevertheless I am not ashamed, for I know whom I have believed and am persuaded that He is able to keep what I have committed to Him until that Day.
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So God determined before time to save someone, and then in their time they trusted in Christ, sealing them into their holy calling
This is written to and for all the Saints of God who are in Christ today as an explanation
And our salvation is to the praise of His glorious grace towards us.
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Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God,
To the saints who are in Ephesus, and faithful in Christ Jesus:
2 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, 5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, 6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He [a]made us accepted in the Beloved.
7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace 8 which He made to abound toward us in all wisdom and [b]prudence, 9 having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself, 10 that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, [c]both which are in heaven and which are on earth—in Him. 11 In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will, 12 that we who first trusted in Christ should be to the praise of His glory.
13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who[d] is the [e]guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.
Eternally Grateful
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where do you want to start?
In the OT. When we are told his name will be Immanuel (god with us)
In john where it says he was with God in the beginning, and he was God. In Is 48 where he, the God of Israel. Says he was sent by the father? When he told the pharisees before Abraham existed, he always existed?
The son of Man, the son of God has many names..
I never said Jesus wasn’t relevant..careful with your words, Brother, don’t make my words say what you want them to say, thank you.
Well, you said Christ had a part, but really they had an equal part.
I got the impression Christ had a minor part by what you said.
Since Christ was without beginning or ending, uncreated, they are of the same nature as God, Father and Son together.
In my study of the book of Acts I have found direct references to Jehovah, even though his name is not specifically mentioned. The most interesting thing about the matter is that although the name is not mentioned, the referenced passages of the OT do mention him, and that forces me to think: why do Christians ignore the God of the OT if in the NT they have direct references to him?
I'll mention now only one of the examples that I have found:
Acts 4:23 After being released, they went to their own people and reported what the chief priests and the elders had said to them. 24 On hearing this, they raised their voices with one accord to God and said:
“Sovereign Lord, you are the One who made the heaven and the earth and the sea and all the things in them, 25 and who said through holy spirit by the mouth of our forefather David, your servant:
‘Why did nations become agitated and peoples meditate on empty things? 26 The kings of the earth took their stand and the rulers gathered together as one against Jehovah and against his anointed one.’ [Psal. 2:1,2]
27 For truly both Herod and Pontius Pilate with men of the nations and with peoples of Israel were gathered together in this city against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed, 28 to do what your hand and counsel had determined beforehand to occur. 29 And now, Jehovah, give attention to their threats, and grant to your slaves to keep speaking your word with all boldness, 30 while you stretch out your hand for healing and while signs and wonders occur through the name of your holy servant Jesus.”
That prayer of the apostles is addressed to Jehovah, and they quoted Ps. 2:1,2 where Jehovah's name is specifically mentioned. Talking to Jehovah about Jesus, they tell Jehovah that the nations have gathered against Him and against his Christ (Messiah or Anointed).
Obviously, the apostles regarded Jehovah as Sovereign Lord, and Jesus as his Anointed One and his Holy Servant. Why do most Christians today ignore whom the apostles respected in such a way?
Then I suggest you stop going by your own assumptions.Scott.
Making assumptions are dangerous..don’t assume what I’m thinking thank you.
Did you actually read my post about thanking Jesus?
Or are you to wrapped up in the trinity?
Here they are, Father and Son
1 The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand,
Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.”
2 The Lord shall send the rod of Your strength out of Zion.
Rule in the midst of Your enemies!
3 Your people shall be volunteers
In the day of Your power;
In the beauties of holiness, from the womb of the morning,
You have the dew of Your youth.
4 The Lord has sworn
And will not relent,
“You are a priest forever
According to the order of Melchizedek.”
5 The Lord is at Your right hand;
He shall [a]execute kings in the day of His wrath.
6 He shall judge among the nations,
He shall fill the places with dead bodies,
He shall [b]execute the heads of many countries.
7 He shall drink of the brook by the wayside;
Therefore He shall lift up the head.
Melchizedek was without father, mother, genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, so then the Son truly is as God is, uncreated eternal God.
Hebrews 7
For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him, 2 to whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all, first being translated “king of righteousness,” and then also king of Salem, meaning “king of peace,” 3 without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, remains a priest continually.
1 The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand,
Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.”
2 The Lord shall send the rod of Your strength out of Zion.
Rule in the midst of Your enemies!
3 Your people shall be volunteers
In the day of Your power;
In the beauties of holiness, from the womb of the morning,
You have the dew of Your youth.
4 The Lord has sworn
And will not relent,
“You are a priest forever
According to the order of Melchizedek.”
5 The Lord is at Your right hand;
He shall [a]execute kings in the day of His wrath.
6 He shall judge among the nations,
He shall fill the places with dead bodies,
He shall [b]execute the heads of many countries.
7 He shall drink of the brook by the wayside;
Therefore He shall lift up the head.
Melchizedek was without father, mother, genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, so then the Son truly is as God is, uncreated eternal God.
Hebrews 7
For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him, 2 to whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all, first being translated “king of righteousness,” and then also king of Salem, meaning “king of peace,” 3 without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, remains a priest continually.
You say Jesus had no beginning, but the Scriptures call Jesus "the firstborn of all creation" in Col. 1:15.
Interesting, right?
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