THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

[Eternally Grateful]

Invalid question, presumes a fact not in evidence. The text does not say that Adam saw God.

lol. So adam walked with God. And God after the fall came to him and clothes him, but he did nto see God.

lololol. I am sorry man, But this is really funny

 

[Eternally Grateful]

God's name. (Not Jesus but YHWH)

Jesus is the earthly name, He existed before abraham. I guess you think he was an angel?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Being told what it is you are doing speaks to none of those things Scott. You were trying to use the Word in John 6 to prove Christ was God....and you got it wrong.

Own it.

F2F

Actually no he did not.

Please stop. Give your opinion, and move on to another point.

You can not prove your point.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Not so, I'm making him accountable...maybe he will never use that verse again in the way he did?
This might mean someone else may not need to correct him
F2F

No

Your giving YOUR OPINION.

I am holding YOU ACCOUNTABLE..

keep this up and I do not think this thread will be around much longer.

this is for the birds..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Can you be taught?

yes

See the ABC's and 123's of making it easy to understand why the trinity is wrong.

I have yet to see anyone prove this, But I am open for everyone to try.

I have seen some set in stone I am going to destroy you talk though. which is for the birds

The sabbath thread God shut down for this, does anyone think this one will not also get shut down. or is that what you want?

 

[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
What do you make of this?

John 2:19 NIV
Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.”

The "temple" referenced is figurative, NOT referring to Solomon's temple. For some reason, trinitarians suppose the rest of the sentence is literal.

So, now you are denying the literal bodily resurrection of Jesus?

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[amigo de christo]

See Circular Reasoning.

1. Jesus said X, proving he is God.
2. I said X but that proves nothing.
3. He’s God. You’re not.

Let GOD be true but every man a liar .
What man says can be true or a lie .
What GOD says IS TRUTH and IS NO LIE .
The reasoning of man is blind my friend . I never once heard david , moses , or any other prophet or apostle
once say I AM ALPHA and OMEGA . I am the first and the last . BUT i sure seen GOD say it . CHRIST said it too .
I never once seen where an angel even said I AM alpha and omega .
But i seen where GOD says it and where JESUS says it . THAT IS CALLED TRUTH . let us not reason away
TRUTH to fit our own beliefs , Rather LET THE TRUTH mold our minds by the POWER of GOD .

 

[David in NJ]

Jesus was definitely a spirit, but his “divinity” does not make him “deity”.

In the Ten Commandments, putting any other “god” in place of the Father was the first thing on the forbidden list. Christendom has put not one, but two other “gods” in the Father’s place.
This Catholic inspired doctrine identified their three gods as “God the Father”...”God the Son”....and “God the Holy Spirit”......that is three gods.....whereas the Bible identifies only the Father as “ho theos”. (Psalm 83:18 KJV)

Read it in Greek...it doesn’t say that....
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, (“ho theos”, Yahweh) and the Word was God (“theos” a divine one).”
There were no capital letters, and so no way to present “god” as “God” in Greek.
“Theos” is any god or goddess....a deity or divinity. Even satan is called “theos”.
Human judges in Israel were called “theos” by God himself, (John 10:31-36) so the designation “theos” does not make Jesus “God” with a capital “G”....it can mean that he was endowed with divine authority as he said in Matt 28:18. Does God need to give authority to himself or to his equal?


The prophets of old did not know Jesus as “the Christ” (or anointed one).....the long awaited “Messiah”....but the Scriptures told them he was coming...and Daniel’s prophesies told them when to expect him. It was foretold that he would suffer, but in his death mankind would be saved. By his resurrection, God proved his power over death, raising his son to life after 3 days in his tomb. 40 days later he returned to where he was “before the founding of the world”....at his Father’s side in heaven.

Did you know that there is not one single scripture that says the Holy Spirit is at God’s left hand? In fact most mention of Father and son together, leaves the Holy Spirit unacknowledged. Can you tell me why a supposedly equal person of the trinity is invariably missing?


So what is “the spirit of Christ”....is it the same as “the spirit of God”...and what does it actually mean to have “the spirit of Christ”? What does it mean to be “of him”?
Please explain what that means.....

In the Ten Commandments, putting any other “god” in place of the Father was the first thing on the forbidden list.

ABSOLUTELY TRUE

And this is how we know watchtower/jw is antichrist = NWT John 1:1

NWT John 1:1 - "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god."

Your antichrist religion places a 'god' before The God in DIRECT violation of the Commandment

Deuteronomy 5:6-7
I am the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
‘You shall have no other gods before Me.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Eternally, it's simple...very simple...if you are prepared to misquote the Word and twist it to try and prove someone its not saying, and you are corrected with evidence, then its only right that person states it openly and we move on. Scott did not do this.

F2F

HE IS NOT MISQUOTING THE WORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dude, You need to stop right now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I AM GETTING SICK OF YOUR FALSE ACCUSATIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

John 6: 45 It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by God.’ Therefore everyone who [i]has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me. 46 Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father. 47 Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes [j]in Me has everlasting life

Notice. No parentheses, No marks, No anything that would say this is not part of the origional text.

What you see is someone who interpreted the word added something, Because John added these words. Jesus did not say them, John was adding these words..

THEY ARE SCRIPTURE

 

[amigo de christo]

St. SteVen said:
What do you make of this?

John 2:19 NIV
Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.”

So, now you are denying the literal bodily resurrection of Jesus?

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NO man takes my life from me . I have the POWER to lay it down and i have the POWER to RAISE IT UP .

 

[Wrangler]

Sorry bro, I can not ignore the scripture upon scripture Which proves otherwise.

The trinity* is not in the Bible. Only be reading what is not there does Scripture ‘prove’ the trinity, which is no proof at all.


* What verse says something like The nature of God is a trinity - consisting of the Father, Son & Holy Spirit who are co-equal, co-substantial and co-eternal- and if you do not believe this, you cannot be saved but are damned to hell forever.

 

[face2face]

Actually no he did not.

Please stop. Give your opinion, and move on to another point.

You can not prove your point.

Now I'm having the argument with you Eternally - how does that work?

John 6:46 is often placed in parentheses in certain Bible translations (such as the NET Bible) because it is considered a later addition to the text. This verse does not appear in some of the earliest and most reliable manuscripts of the Gospel of John. Scholars believe that it may have been inserted later by a scribe to clarify or emphasize a point about Jesus' relationship to the Father, aligning with the themes of divine revelation and the nature of Christ's knowledge.

In the context of John 6:46, it says, "Not that anyone has seen the Father except the one who is from God; he has seen the Father." This is sometimes seen as a comment added by a later editor to highlight the unique nature of Christ’s direct knowledge of the Father, particularly in the light of His divine role and the teachings about His relationship with God.

In sum, the parentheses indicate a textual variation or addition, not part of the original manuscript.

Now do you understand Eternally - now its your integrity being questioned?

You cannot use this verse to prove the Trinity - do you undesrtand?

F2F

 

[amigo de christo]

ABSOLUTELY TRUE

And this is how we know watchtower/jw is antichrist = NWT John 1:1

NWT John 1:1 - "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god."

Your antichrist religion places a 'god' before The God in DIRECT violation of the Commandment

Deuteronomy 5:6-7
I am the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
‘You shall have no other gods before Me.

You shall have NO other gods before me .
And even the angel knew that for he told JOHN to get up and to worship GOD not him .
YET I SURE SEEM to see lots of folks hollering in heaven and kneeling before CHRIST and casting crowns at HIS feet .
MY GLORY , MY GLORY shall i not give to another , said THE LORD GOD ALL MIGHTY .
and it is written THE LIGHT IS THE GLORY OF GOD and that the LIGHT IS CHRIST . HE IS THE GLORY OF GOD .
Many desire to DENY CHRIST and that wont bode well on the day of the LORD .
The angel told john twice , GET UP
Worship GOD .
The apostel peter and paul and others made simliar remarks unto men .
JESUS , WHEN THOMAS KNEELED BEFORE HIM and SAID MY LORD and MY GOD
NEVER SAID , get up thomas WORSHIP GOD . WHY YA THINK THAT WAS . I am alpha and omega , the first and the last .

 

[Wrangler]

Jesus is the earthly name, He existed before abraham. I guess you think he was an angel?

What verse says that YHWH goes by a different, Earthly name?

 

[Wrangler]

lol. So adam walked with God. And God after the fall came to him and clothes him, but he did nto see God.

lololol. I am sorry man, But this is really funny

What's funny is you cannot recognize the presumptions you make to "support" your doctrine.

 

[amigo de christo]

lol. So adam walked with God. And God after the fall came to him and clothes him, but he did nto see God.

lololol. I am sorry man, But this is really funny

My face ye cannot see , but shall see my most hinderparts . No man in the flesh has SEEN GOD in all HIS GLORY .
Not in ALL HIS GLORY . they may have seen His angel in the appearance of man but never once
has man seen the actual face of GOD in all HIS GLORY . no flesh could survive . Thank the LORD
one day we shall have new bodies and we shall see HIS face then .

 

[David in NJ]

But you are planting stinkhorn mushrooms.

God is the One who Planted me.

And when a great multitude had gathered, and they had come to Him from every city, He spoke by a parable:
“A sower went out to sow his seed. And as he sowed, some fell by the wayside; and it was trampled down, and the birds of the air devoured it. Some fell on rock; and as soon as it sprang up, it withered away because it lacked moisture. And some fell among thorns, and the thorns sprang up with it and choked it. But others fell on good ground, sprang up, and yielded a crop a hundredfold.” When He had said these things He cried, “He who has ears to hear, let him hear!”

 

[David in NJ]

You shall have NO other gods before me .
And even the angel knew that for he told JOHN to get up and to worship GOD not him .
YET I SURE SEEM to see lots of folks hollering in heaven and kneeling before CHRIST and casting crowns at HIS feet .
MY GLORY , MY GLORY shall i not give to another , said THE LORD GOD ALL MIGHTY .
and it is written THE LIGHT IS THE GLORY OF GOD and that the LIGHT IS CHRIST . HE IS THE GLORY OF GOD .
Many desire to DENY CHRIST and that wont bode well on the day of the LORD .
The angel told john twice , GET UP
Worship GOD .
The apostel peter and paul and others made simliar remarks unto men .
JESUS , WHEN THOMAS KNEELED BEFORE HIM and SAID MY LORD and MY GOD
NEVER SAID , get up thomas WORSHIP GOD . WHY YA THINK THAT WAS . I am alpha and omega , the first and the last .

YET I SURE SEEM to see lots of folks hollering in heaven and kneeling before CHRIST and casting crowns at HIS feet .
MY GLORY , MY GLORY shall i not give to another , said THE LORD GOD ALL MIGHTY .
and it is written THE LIGHT IS THE GLORY OF GOD and that the LIGHT IS CHRIST . HE IS THE GLORY OF GOD .

HalleluYAH

 

[amigo de christo]

The time on deck is as follows , TIME to praise and to thank the glorious LORD . And into bibles let us go and learn
the truth that many men no longer teach . For many now teach according to the minds of men
that have twisted the scrips . Things will clear up in time for all who do LOVE THE LORD GOD
and the SPIRIT shall open the eyes of their understanding and reveal the simpicity of CHRIST which many no longer
know , let alone even dare to teach . EVERY WORD of THE LORD IS PURE and IS TRUTH and is for our good .
NO LIE is of the TRUTH and all men must be tested against the scriptures .

 

[Wrangler]

You were trying to use the Word in John 6 to prove Christ was God....and you got it wrong.

This is what @Eternally Grateful does not get. There is no such thing as proof by assertion. Asserting a certain verse or chapter proves something does not make it so. In this way, they are misquoting Scripture, asserting it means something the author did not intend, out of context, etc. For instance, Jesus is "OF" God. This is a preposition, not a verb meaning "IS."

It's easy to show the abuse of reference Trinitarians are forced to rely on. One thing we know they will not do is admit any relative weakness in the IDOL. They often assert "mountains of Scripture evidence" but cannot actually point to a single verse that states their doctrine. They rely on aritifical synthesis, a snip here added to a snip there. Any doctrine can be "supported" in this way. I'm embarassed for them. I suppose this is what IDOLATRY looks like.