THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

[Eternally Grateful]

No man has seen the Father, Christ has seen the Father, proving He is not just a man.

John 6:46
Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father.

Like Father , like Son.

it proves some other stuff too

God walked with adam, if no man has seen the father, who did adam see.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Correct God's Power

No,

The person of the holy spirit. Jesus called him a he, he said when I leave, I will send you him, and he will teach you all things concerning me.

 

[Scott Downey]

Someday, men shall see God.
Just not yet for us in the flesh, but for those who are in heaven...
Matthew 5:8
Blessed are the pure in heart, For they shall see God.

Exodus 33
17 So the Lord said to Moses, “I will also do this thing that you have spoken; for you have found grace in My sight, and I know you by name.”

18 And he said, “Please, show me Your glory.”

19 Then He said, “I will make all My goodness pass before you, and I will proclaim the name of the Lord before you. I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.” 20 But He said, “You cannot see My face; for no man shall see Me, and live.” 21 And the Lord said, “Here is a place by Me, and you shall stand on the rock. 22 So it shall be, while My glory passes by, that I will put you in the cleft of the rock, and will cover you with My hand while I pass by. 23 Then I will take away My hand, and you shall see My back; but My face shall not be seen.”

 

[face2face]

No man has seen the Father, Christ has seen the Father, proving He is not just a man.

John 6:46
Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father.

Like Father , like Son.

Wow is this dishonesty here? Or just ignorance?

sn This is best taken as a parenthetical note by the author.

6:46 (Not that anyone has seen the Father except the one who is from God—he has seen the Father.) Jn 6:46.

Did you notice the parentheses?

Hmmmmm

F2F

 

[face2face]

Someday, men shall see God.
Just not yet for us in the flesh, but for those who are in heaven...
Matthew 5:8
Blessed are the pure in heart, For they shall see God.

Exodus 33
17 So the Lord said to Moses, “I will also do this thing that you have spoken; for you have found grace in My sight, and I know you by name.”

18 And he said, “Please, show me Your glory.”

19 Then He said, “I will make all My goodness pass before you, and I will proclaim the name of the Lord before you. I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.” 20 But He said, “You cannot see My face; for no man shall see Me, and live.” 21 And the Lord said, “Here is a place by Me, and you shall stand on the rock. 22 So it shall be, while My glory passes by, that I will put you in the cleft of the rock, and will cover you with My hand while I pass by. 23 Then I will take away My hand, and you shall see My back; but My face shall not be seen.”

I’m becoming frustrated with your posts, as it seems every time you post, there is an error. I encourage you to question what you believe you know before sharing it. Remember to study and show yourself approved by God, as the verse says.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I’m becoming frustrated with your posts, as it seems every time you post, there is an error. I encourage you to question what you believe you know before sharing it. Remember to study and show yourself approved by God, as the verse says.

Is there an error. Ir do you just not agree.

I would not be so quick to judge. I am sure he could say the same thing about you and others.. Instead of saying your getting frustrated. show where you disagree. it would be so much easier to actually discuss if we did these things

 

[face2face]

Is there an error. Ir do you just not agree.

I would not be so quick to judge. I am sure he could say the same thing about you and others.. Instead of saying your getting frustrated. show where you disagree. it would be so much easier to actually discuss if we did these things

I've been correcting him all day Eternally.

 

[RLT63]

Correct God's Power

1Pe 3:18 - For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

 

[Scott Downey]

I’m becoming frustrated with your posts, as it seems every time you post, there is an error. I encourage you to question what you believe you know before sharing it. Remember to study and show yourself approved by God, as the verse says.

I can say the same about you. But I don't cast aspersions.

noun
(aspersions)

1. an attack on the reputation or integrity of someone or something:

 

[face2face]

@Eternally Grateful, his John 6:46 quote was a desperate attempt to support the Trinity doctrine. He won't return to acknowledge his mistake... they never do!

 

[face2face]

I can say the same about you. But I don't cast aspersions.

You have 3n1 on the brain to the point you misquote the Word to prove lies...will you admit this?

I doubt it

F2F

 

[Grailhunter]

The True concept of “oneness” is really not a matter of arithmetic. In modern times we are all about numbers, but a modern grade schooler would know more about numbers than most of the people of antiquity. The concept of one could have a symbology in this time period, not just the literal one, but also the concept of “unity.” The word “one” in regard to relationships can also mean solidarity. Again, in relation to the Trinity it is the unity and the solidarity, in mind, in heart, and in spirit between Yahweh, Yeshua, and the Holy Spirit. God the Father gives us in Genesis 2:24 an idea of how the concept of two people being one can be applied; “For this cause a man shall leave his father and mother and shall cleave to his wife; and they shall become one flesh.” Yeshua reiterates this concept in Mathew 19:5 & 6 and Mark 10:8, specifically saying, “And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.” Certainly everyone understands that husbands and wives do not merge to be one physical human, nor do they lose their character. They certainly join physically but they are not absorbed into one person, even though the condition of solidarity may exist between them. So in that case the word one is not denoting “the number one” or the singularity of the two persons in the marriage.

Beyond what is listed in the examples above, in the New Testament Yeshua gives us a clearer explanation of this concept of one. Speaking to God the Father (He was not talking to Himself) Yeshua says this about the concept of one... John 17:19-24 For their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they themselves also may be sanctified in truth. “I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word; that they may all be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me. The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, just as We are one; I in them and You in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, so that the world may know that You sent Me, and loved them, even as You have loved Me. Father, I desire that they also, whom You have given Me, be with Me where I am, so that they may see My glory which You have given Me, for You loved Me before the foundation of the world.

Because Yeshua says “just as” this is an exactness, a duplication of a condition that we can achieve, and He states that this condition of “oneness” can apply to us, but it has nothing to do with absorption or singularity, but rather a condition of spiritual union and solidarity between God and us. The next verse further defines this by describing a unity with Christ that would cause the same condition with us as it did with them, a condition of perfection. Again, not talking to Himself, in John 17:23 “I in them, and Thou in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, that the world may know that Thou didst send Me, and didst love them, even as Thou didst love Me.” In this context millions of people could be made one...one being a abstract concept of one, but a more literal meaning of unity, solidarity, and perfection and even a “body” that is considered one....the body of Christ or the body of the Church being one. And then, the next verse is probably one of the best verses to put this oneness concept into perspective. The leading verses are speaking of the works of the Holy Spirit and then ends with this explanation. 1st Corinthians 12:11-13 “But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually just as He wills. For even as the body is one and yet has many members, and all the members of the body, though they are many, are one body, so also is Christ. For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and were all made to drink of one Spirit. For the body is not one member, but many.”

The same is true of the Godhead, which is made up of three Gods, but if there would have been a hundred named Gods that talked with each other and did all the above, the Church would have labeled them all one in order to get their theology to work and to say there is only one God. Certainly multiple persons in one God is a difficult concept, but the more persons the more difficult the concept becomes. If there would have been eight, sixty, or a hundred persons it would have been a concept near to impossible to convey. Tri-unity is difficult enough, but sixty-unity would have been intolerable and unacceptable. But as it was, three aspects of one god was a common scenario in Pagan beliefs, the triple goddess is a good example. Christianity worshipped Yahweh and Yeshua and the Holy Spirit which was familiar to the Pagans converting to Christianity….Gentiles. And so was the story of a god impregnating a woman and giving birth to a god.

 

[face2face]

1Pe 3:18 - For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

Okay RLT let me have it

 

[Wrangler]

Jesus IS the Christ.

You do know that "Christ" means Anointed, anointed by God. NOT God.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I've been correcting him all day Eternally.

You have been sharing your view.

Lets settle down and be humble

I have not seen you correct him much personally. I have seen you share your thoughts. But thats it

 

[Scott Downey]

With parenthesis added, changes nothing

AMP
Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He [who was with the Father and] who is from God; He [alone] has seen the Father.
AMPC
Which does not imply that anyone has seen the Father [not that anyone has ever seen Him] except He [Who was with the Father] Who comes from God; He [alone] has seen the Father.

 

[Wrangler]

The Bible is a big book

Thanks for telling us these things.

 

[face2face]

You do know that "Christ" means Anointed, anointed by God. NOT God.

I've been in the trenches all day Wrangler...might be time to take a break

 

[face2face]

With parenthesis added, changes nothing

AMP
Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He [who was with the Father and] who is from God; He [alone] has seen the Father.
AMPC
Which does not imply that anyone has seen the Father [not that anyone has ever seen Him] except He [Who was with the Father] Who comes from God; He [alone] has seen the Father.

Forget it Scott! Rest in your pride...

 

[Wrangler]

what it contains is not given to ten second attention spans.

Yet, your posts can. You just choose to belabor points, which is apparently the JW way.