THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

[Johann]

The irony is that you claim exact representation in red, yet it doesn't capture the very substance being represented or reflected. If Jesus is a reflection or a carbon copy of the original, then he cannot be the original substance!

You get this Johann?

When you are an exact reflection of Christ you will not be Christ!

And don't for a second think God became so far better than the angels as he has inherited a name superior to theirs. Heb 1:4.

You would need to be a fool if you thought the Sovereign Almighty God can be compared to Angels!

When will you put away your commentaries and start to open the Word for yourself?

F2F

11.39 PM here in South Africa and I'm tired. I reject your bolded sentence.

J.

 

[Marvelloustime]

If you mean Jesus, no he is not God and no he does not indwell my spirit..the Holy Spirit does.

Jesus indwells your spirit you say, scripture please?

@amigo de christo
This scripture kills that false theory dead.

 

[Wrangler]

If that is the case, then who's image are we created in? Who's likeness?

I don’t get your line of thinking. God said let’s =

The nature of God is a trinity - consisting of the Father, Son & Holy Spirit who are co-equal, co-substantial and co-eternal - and if you do not believe this, you cannot be saved but are damned to hell forever.

You’ve dug yourself such a hole, you cannot connect the dots.

 

[Marvelloustime]

for now we are connected to it By THE SPIRIT . but you bet its gonna descend on the DAY OF THE LORD upon earth .
So lets examine this heavenly kingdom of GOD wherein is HEAVENLY JERSUALEM
wherein GOD and the LAMB are the temple .
Muhammed will not be there . hims preached a false fat lie .
No other religoin can get ya there or make ya a partaker of it . THEY ALL FALSE .
Even unbelivling jews are in deadly and dire danger ,
THE KEY IS , TIME TO PREACH TO ALL , TO REMIND ALL , WEEPING and wailingawaits
all who DENIED JESUS IS THE CHRIST . but life and life eternal unto all WHO BELIEVED ON HIM .
now reader and all i would like to remind us
that IF THE JESUS WE SO LOVE be another jesus bringing words and beliefs that are contrary
to what was recorded in the bibile that JESUS HIMSELF said , OOPSY that one cant save
Satan and his co workers can preach another jesus and another gospel and do all to make jesus seem
as a minstir of sin and unbelief . BUT WE LAMBS DONT HEED THEM . exactly my friend .

@amigo de christo

 

[Ritajanice]

@amigo de christo
This scripture kills that false theory dead.
View attachment 53694

Our spirit must be reborn...

 

[face2face]

Where did I ever state that this refers to Christ in "sin's flesh"? Your persistent misrepresentation of my words and attributing statements to me that I did not make is becoming increasingly tiresome.

J.

2:14 Therefore, since the children share in flesh and blood, he likewise shared in their humanity, so that through death he could destroy the one who holds the power of death (that is, the devil), 2:15 and set free those who were held in slavery all their lives by their fear of death. 2:16 For surely his concern is not for angels, but he is concerned for Abraham’s descendants. 2:17 Therefore he had to be made like his brothers and sisters in every respect, so that he could become a merciful and faithful high priest in things relating to God, to make atonement for the sins of the people. Heb 2:14–17.

Do you know what the word every means Johann?

"Every" does not mean duality of natures!

8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 8:2 For the law of the life-giving Spirit in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death. 8:3 For God achieved what the law could not do because it was weakened through the flesh. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and concerning sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, Ro 8:1–3.

how was sin represented in the nature of Christ for God to condemn it?

Enjoy
F2F

 

[face2face]

11.39 PM here in South Africa and I'm tired. I reject your bolded sentence.

J.

Did God become better than the angels?

Yes or no?

F2F

 

[Grailhunter]

The truth is that God the Father's name at one time appeared around 6,800 times in the Old Testament and He was adamant that He was the only one and no one like Him existed. There are a few words in the OT that refer to Yahweh, like EL and Elohim and at times they referred to locations or holy sites, but they are references not proper names, or they could not say or write them. On the other hand YHWH does refer to the proper name of God the Father and at one time it appeared over 6.800 times in the Old Testament.

All of these names were removed and replaced with words God or Lord or both. Usually word God alone was not used to refer to Yahweh because the Hebrew word God is the same as word God used for false Gods.

 

[face2face]

11.39 PM here in South Africa and I'm tired. I reject your bolded sentence.

J.

The bolded sentence is also true of the Saints who likewise manifest God's Character. What happened to Christ will also happen to the Saints. He is the firstfruits of them that sleep!
F2F

 

[Taken]

For doubters…

John 14:
[8] Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
[9] Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

John 20:
[29] Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

Praise God, I am blessed.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Verily]

For doubters…

John 14:
[8] Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
[9] Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

John 20:
[29] Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

Praise God, I am blessed.

Glory to God,
Taken

Jesus is the image of the INVISIBLE God.
Jesus form (or VISIBLE image) was not God's image, it was his person.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Good. One thing, @Aunty Jane can testify that I don’t have a lot of time to do a lot of reading long posts.

Which is why you never take anything said to you on board.....if you don’t read the replies given to you, how can you honestly respond?

If someone has taken the time to give you a detailed response, (and I do not mean a lazy copy and paste) then surely there is sincerity in the time they have taken to write it?

If you have an attention deficit disorder then that might explain it, but if not then you are assumed to be just lazy yourself.
The Bible is not a small book that one can skip through and provide just glib answers....it is a book to be studied...and carefully. We have the tools now, as at no other time in history, to “seek”and “find”.
No excuses.

You go deep only with your own opinions, (you seem to know your politics so much better than you know your Bible) so I know you have the capacity...what you don’t seem to have is the capacity to see past your own beliefs which are very loosely based on Scripture....and “no correspondence will be entered into”....that which argues with your accepted position.....this is the time for decisions....and if you have made yours, so be it. I have made mine too.

We all have free will and are free to use it as our hearts dictate. But the warning in the Bible is not to trust a heart that is treacherous (Jer 17:9-10)......a heart that cannot accommodate the truth as God tells it...
We see how, in the multitude of different beliefs presented in Christendom, ideas laid out like a smorgasbord where people can just help themselves to what they find palatable.

There can only be one truth.....God can either lead us to it...or prevent us from discerning it....why? Because he knows what is in our heart as the motivation for what we accept as our truth. If we have accepted a “delusion” as a substitute for truth, he will let us. (2 Thess 2:9-12)
That means that we will be the last to know......the “delusion” will not be revealed to those who love the lies and take pleasure in things that God hates. It is God selecting us based on his assessment of us, rather than us selecting him by our own evaluation of things. “Few” are to be saved for a reason....(Matt 7:13-14; 21-23)

What are we saved from...and for?

 

[face2face]

Thus he (Jesus) became so far better than the angels as he has inherited a name superior to theirs. Heb 1:4

If Jesus is God how do you explain this conundrum?

F2F

 

[David in NJ]

Yes, F2F is right.

Read Judges 16:23 in Hebrew.
Elohim is applied to the Philistine’s god Dagon. They thought their god was “the best, superlative, the most excellent.” Hence, the plural form of god was used.

i FULLY understand the use of the word 'elohim' in scripture whereby:

#1 - It s applied specifically to The Only TRUE Elohim = Genesis , Moses , OT Prophets , Psalms

#2 - As it is used to speak of other 'gods'/elohim = Deuteronomy 13:6-7

#3 - As it is used to speak of 'humans' = Psalm 82

Please give yourself fully to this TRUTH as stated in the Holy Scriptures and as i outlined above.

I said, “You are gods(elohim)
And all of you are children of the Most High.
But you shall die like men,
And fall like one of the princes.”
Arise, O Elohim/God, judge the earth;
For You shall inherit all nations.

Always remember that there is CHRIST and then there are false christs = BOTH using the same Title/Name

Matthew 24:24
For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will give great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.

1 Corinthians 8:5
For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods and many lords), yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.


Deuteronomy 10:17
For
כִּ֚י (kî)
Conjunction
Strong's Hebrew 3588: 1) that, for, because, when, as though, as, because that, but, then, certainly, except, surely, since 1a) that 1a1) yea, indeed 1b) when (of time) 1b1) when, if, though (with a concessive force) 1c) because, since (causal connection) 1d) but (after negative) 1e) that if, for if, indeed if, for though, but if 1f) but rather, but 1g) except that 1h) only, nevertheless 1i) surely 1j) that is 1k) but if 1l) for though 1m) forasmuch as, for therefore

the LORD
יְהוָ֣ה (Yah·weh)
Noun - proper - masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 3068: Jehovah = 'the existing One' 1) the proper name of the one true God 1a) unpronounced except with the vowel pointings of H0136

Let me know if you understand these things - SHALOM only in the LORD Jesus Christ

your God
אֱלֹֽהֵיכֶ֔ם (’ĕ·lō·hê·ḵem)
Noun - masculine plural construct | second person masculine plural
Strong's Hebrew 430: 1) (plural) 1a) rulers, judges 1b) divine ones 1c) angels 1d) gods 2) (plural intensive-singular meaning) 2a) god, goddess 2b) godlike one 2c) works or special possessions of God 2d) the (true) God 2e) God

ה֚וּא (hū)
Pronoun - third person masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 1931: pron 3p s 1) he, she, it 1a) himself (with emphasis) 1b) resuming subj with emphasis 1c) (with minimum emphasis following predicate) 1d) (anticipating subj) 1e) (emphasising predicate) 1f) that, it (neuter) demons pron 2) that (with article)

is God
אֱלֹהֵ֣י (’ĕ·lō·hê)
Noun - masculine plural construct
Strong's Hebrew 430: 1) (plural) 1a) rulers, judges 1b) divine ones 1c) angels 1d) gods 2) (plural intensive-singular meaning) 2a) god, goddess 2b) godlike one 2c) works or special possessions of God 2d) the (true) God 2e) God

of gods
הָֽאֱלֹהִ֔ים (hā·’ĕ·lō·hîm)
Article | Noun - masculine plural
Strong's Hebrew 430: 1) (plural) 1a) rulers, judges 1b) divine ones 1c) angels 1d) gods 2) (plural intensive-singular meaning) 2a) god, goddess 2b) godlike one 2c) works or special possessions of God 2d) the (true) God 2e) God

 

[Taken]

Jesus is the image of the INVISIBLE God.
Jesus form (or VISIBLE image) was not God's image, it was his person.

Can Celestial Spirits appear in the Likeness “AS” Terrestrial men?

When a man IS Baptized with the Holy Spirit, is it Gods Spirit that dwells IN that man?

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[RLT63]

Thus he (Jesus) became so far better than the angels as he has inherited a name superior to theirs. Heb 1:4

If Jesus is God how do you explain this conundrum?

F2F

Heb 1:1 - God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

Heb 1:2 - Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son,whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Heb 1:3 - Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

Heb 1:4 - Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

Heb 1:5 - For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

Heb 1:6 - And again, when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

 

[Brakelite]

Tri is a prefix denoting three…
nity…unity denotes adjoined…

The word “Trinity” does not appear in Scripture…

It is that unity part that i mainly have an issue with. Scripture does not tell us how that unity works. The councils which devised the creeds had to make certain assumptions in order to make the "one God " and the 3 persons harmonise. They had to make assumptions, and then create a definition. That unity spoken of is assumed to be indivisible. That in one substance that cannot be divided, in which no one member can be separated from the whole, is the basis of creedal Trinitarian teaching, which in turn is the basis for most church manuals and Catechism teaching.

The issue iI have, is that in order to sustain that definition, one has to believe that when Christ died, a part of Him, the divine part, couldn't have died and therefore He retained His connectedness to the trinity, and thus did not fully die. Only the human part died, thus providing only a human sacrifice. I cannot agree with that idea. I do not believe a human sacrifice, no matter how pure, can be sufficient to meet the requirements of a divine and holy law.

 

[face2face]

Heb 1:1 - God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

Heb 1:2 - Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son,whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Heb 1:3 - Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

Heb 1:4 - Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

Heb 1:5 - For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

Heb 1:6 - And again, when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

And...

Did you God become a better than Angels?

 

[amigo de christo]

What is the Holy Spirit’s message?

John 15:26-27 (KJV) 26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of Me: 27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

 

[amigo de christo]

My living testimony? I love JESUS.

trivia question time my friend . an answer i believe you already know my friend .
Tell me if a man or woman cometh and says i love JESUS and yet omits and disregaurds His teachings
and preaches another gospel that implies one does not have to BELIEVE on HIM
DO ya really THINK they LOVE JESUS or THE FATHER WHO SENT HIM .
THIS LAMB SAYS HECK NO . if a man loveth not TRUTH , and every word of the LORD BE TRUTH , AS HE HIMSELF IS THE TRUTH
then that man is DECIEVED big time and follows and loveth another jesus and that jesus gets no captilzation on my watch
cause IT AINT THE CHRIST OF GOD .