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Amen.....that means the written word (bible) witnesses to the veracity of the Spirit. And the Spirit is likewise a witness to the veracity of the written word (bible) too.
RLT63
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List of Pro-Trinity/Deity of Christ Bible Passages - Berean Patriot
Below is a list of basically every verse in the whole bible that touches on the Trinity. I didn’t compile this list, but a reader of this website did and it’s posted here with his permission. (There’s actually a short/cool story behind it.) OR keep reading to get to the list of verses without...
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I don't think God's Word (you mean Scripture and nothing else here, right?) got it wrong. As I've said, I think Scripture is equivocal on the subject. Not incomplete (although it is -- but I digress), but equivocal. Big difference!
Ignatius of Antioch (c. 35–107 AD)
Quote: "In Christ Jesus our Lord, by whom and with whom be glory and power to the Father with the Holy Spirit forever." (Letter to the Ephesians 18:2)
Ignatius speaks of the triune relationship, emphasizing the union of Father, Son, and Spirit in glory and power.
2. Justin Martyr (c. 100–165 AD)
Quote: "We will prove that we worship Him reasonably; for we have learned that He is the Son of the true God Himself, that He holds a second place, and the Spirit of prophecy a third." (First Apology, Chapter 13)
Justin refers to a hierarchy within the Godhead, common in early pre-Nicene thought, while affirming the divinity of the Son and the Spirit.
3. Irenaeus of Lyons (c. 130–202 AD)
Quote: "The Church... believes in one God, the Father Almighty... and in one Christ Jesus, the Son of God, who became incarnate for our salvation; and in the Holy Spirit." (Against Heresies, Book 1, Chapter 10)
Irenaeus presents a clear Trinitarian formula, defending the unity and distinct persons of the Godhead against Gnostic heresies.
4. Tertullian (c. 160–225 AD)
Quote: "We define that there are two—the Father and the Son, and three with the Holy Spirit... They are of one essence, not divided in substance but distinguished in order." (Against Praxeas, Chapter 2)
Tertullian introduced the term Trinitas (Trinity) and articulated the unity of essence and distinction of persons in the Godhead.
5. Origen (c. 185–254 AD)
Quote: "We worship one God, the Father and the Son, who is His Word, and the Holy Spirit, who is the illumination of the truth in believers." (De Principiis, Book 1, Chapter 3)
Origen defended the co-eternity of the Son with the Father but controversially placed the Son in a subordinate position within the Trinity.
6. Clement of Alexandria (c. 150–215 AD)
Quote: "The universal Father is one, and one the Word, and the Holy Spirit is one and the same everywhere." (Stromata, Book V, Chapter 14)
Clement emphasizes the unity and universal nature of the Trinity, rooted in biblical revelation.
7. Hippolytus of Rome (c. 170–235 AD)
Quote: "A man must believe in God the Father Almighty, and in Christ Jesus, His only-begotten Son, and in the Holy Spirit." (Against Noetus, Chapter 12)
Hippolytus affirmed the distinct roles and unity of the Father, Son, and Spirit, opposing modalistic interpretations.
8. Novatian (c. 200–258 AD)
Quote: "Christ is God, but He is not the Father, nor the Father the Son." (On the Trinity, Chapter 31)
Novatian argues for the distinct persons within the Godhead while maintaining their unity in substance.
Key Observations:
Early Fathers were consistent in affirming the divinity of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit while grappling with precise terminology and relational distinctions.
The pre-Nicene Fathers frequently addressed heresies, such as Gnosticism and modalism, shaping their Trinitarian expressions.
Terminological development-e.g., Tertullian's Trinitas and Origen's exploration of "eternality"—laid the groundwork for Nicene formulations.
Ignore this since I know what's coming @Wrangler.
J.
Wow!...Praise God for this divine heart revelation...Imo.
Behold
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The reason you dont want to believe in 3<>ONE, is because you researched this......and a lot of your sources also deny it.. So your sources, taught you to not believe it.
If you truly researched it then you had both sides.... and you chose the side that makes sense to you.. and that is the fail.
See, this Doctrine has to be discerned.......not "figured out"....t by studying what 345 different scholars all disagree about..
I concur @RedFan- but not equivocal on clear doctrines-the Cross, death and resurrection of Messiah is non-negotiable.
J.
Behold
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The Fact that God spoke creation into existence as word... and Jesus is the WORD who "was God"... John 1:1,...... is more then ample proof that anyone can see, who wants to know the truth., and not just argue.
Yes. Even non-Trinitarians agree with this much. My focus today is not on the Cross but on the Manger.
David in NJ
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@Ritajanice WE AGREE = we need the Living Holy Spirit testifying of Gods truth to our spirit.
SEE what you say = "the Living Holy Spirit testifying of God's Truth
WHO #1 = God is TRUTH
WHO #2 = JESUS is the WORD is the TRUTH
WHO #3 = SPIRIT of TRUTH = the HOLY SPIRIT
WHERE = "in our spirit"
SOURCE #1 = GOD
SOURCE #2 = JESUS
SOURCE #3 =the HOLY SPIRIT inspired/Authored = "It is written"
@Ritajanice & David AGREE = "The Bible(It is written") confirms what the Spirit testifies to our spirit."
WE AGREE = "Our spirit is reborn and it’s in the Spirit"
UH-OH = "the Spirit is not Jesus it came from God."
the THREE are ONE = Echad Elohim
GOD the FATHER sent His SON, who is GOD and the HOLY SPIRIT who is also GOD for the THREE are ONE
BELIEVE @Ritajanice = "You, however, are controlled not by the flesh, but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you.
And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ." - Romans 8:9
SEE Ritajanice = the THREE always are GOD
Therefore, since we have such hope, we use great boldness of speech— 13unlike Moses, who put a veil over his face so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the end of what was passing away. 14But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the veil is taken away in Christ. 15But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart. 16Nevertheless when one turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.
17Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
HalleluYAH
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Im still learning my lovely Brother in Christ.,@David in NJ
Praise God for my teacher / helper...the Holy Spirit.,
Brother I cannot praise the Holy Spirit I can only thank God for sending him .
Praise God for my teacher / helper...the Holy Spirit.,
Brother I cannot praise the Holy Spirit I can only thank God for sending him .
Eternally Grateful
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Eternally Grateful
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But we are not talking about God telling you where to go
we are talking about doctrines
God can not tell one person we are saved by Grace through faith And not of any work whatsoever
and then tell another we are saved by grace through faith but also works.
That would
1. Make God an author of confusion
2. make God contradict himself.
Yet you both Claim Jesus is mere man, when not even Jesus said this of himself.
it seems much like the calvin issue, and the sabbath issue, people are arguing doctrines (trinity) and not what the word actually says.. hence these continuous threads of people apposed to one another and not able to hear what the other is saying..
no wonder people say christians are the most confused people on earth (and hateful)
David in NJ
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WE are still learning
God has placed us TOGETHER in One Spirit of Truth which is in Christ which is in the FATHER
Your kindness and love has been a great encouragement to me along with many Brethren on here.
Eternally Grateful
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Since wrangler keeps bringing up post 148
1. The son is the mediator between man and the father. The son is God and the father is God. No issue for trinitarians
2. Jesus, who took on human form. Bodily died. And bodily ressurected as the first fruits. And more will follow..Jesus is still God. No issue for trinitarians
3. The wages of sin are paid in full. Because jesus is God. Now if Jesus was mere man as non trinitarian say, then they are not paid at all. Except for one man
This just once again proves you do not understand what we believe.
sorry brother.. Your attempt failed.
David in NJ
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There is at least one definitive scripture that declares JESUS is God
We see this in the Apostle John's Gospel beginning in chapter 1
@Wrangler @Eternally Grateful @Ritajanice
Here is a passage of scripture where JESUS declares Himself as God = Matthew 19:16-26
Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”
17So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
18He said to Him, “Which ones?”
Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 19‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”
20The young man said to Him, “All these things I have kept from my youth. What do I still lack?”
21Jesus said to him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”
22But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful, for he had great possession
Then Jesus said to His disciples, “Assuredly, I say to you that it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24And again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”
25When His disciples heard it, they were greatly astonished, saying, “Who then can be saved?”
26But Jesus looked at them and said to them, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
We see this in the Apostle John's Gospel beginning in chapter 1
@Wrangler @Eternally Grateful @Ritajanice
Here is a passage of scripture where JESUS declares Himself as God = Matthew 19:16-26
Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”
17So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
18He said to Him, “Which ones?”
Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 19‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”
20The young man said to Him, “All these things I have kept from my youth. What do I still lack?”
21Jesus said to him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”
22But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful, for he had great possession
Then Jesus said to His disciples, “Assuredly, I say to you that it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24And again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”
25When His disciples heard it, they were greatly astonished, saying, “Who then can be saved?”
26But Jesus looked at them and said to them, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
Wrangler
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EXACTLY! Doctrines are from man. This explains why the trinity is not in Scripture.
Eternally Grateful
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