The Sun, God's tool to change the World

[BlessedPeace]

Goodbye

@Douggg , don't take it personally . :) Be blessed.

 

[Jay Ross]

Imagine Hebrew roots and words being used in Old Testament translations. Shock! Dad must be on hiatus.

Trolling are you?

 

[PinSeeker]

As is what you have posted.

Sure, I'll accept that, and your posts are, likewise, your opinion.

Hey, what's up with the "Goodbye" signature? I mean, it's kinda funny... :)

Grace and peace to you.

 

[PinSeeker]

Yes, I agree with you that there have been many Jewish biased understandings embedded into our translations that are misleading...

Well, I didn't say that. There are several places where the English language can't quite capture the full force of the Hebrew and/or Greek. But it's not inaccurate.

One such Hebrew Root Word is H:5768. olam, which is usually translated as "Forever" but the Strong Definition would suggest otherwise, and history certainly does not support this understanding.

Let us consider Genesis 13:14-17: -

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Genesis 12:14-17: - 14 And the Lord said to Abram, after Lot had separated from him: "Lift your eyes now and look from the place where you are — northward, southward, eastward, and westward; 15 for all the land/earth which you see I give to you and/, {that (entity)}, I will give to your descendants forever/for a long period of time whose ending, which is beyond man’s comprehension, is at the vanishing point, {of this particular time period}, in the future. 16 And I will make your descendants as the dust of the earth; so that if a man could number the dust of the earth, then your descendants also could be numbered. 17 Arise, walk in the land/ my earth through its length and its width, for I give it to you/this {entity} I will give. "​

Another way of paraphrasing verse 15 to make it easier to read and understand might be: -

"for all the earth which you see, that entity, I will give to your descendants for a long period of time where the end point of that time period, will be beyond your descendants capacity to comprehend when the possession of the described land will end."​

If we consider the historical record we know from the scriptures and History that God also promised this same area of the earth in descriptive form where he listed the same land in this form: -

Genesis 15:18-21: - 18 On the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying:​

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"To your descendants I have given/will give this land/{entity/portion} of the earth, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the River Euphrates — 19 the Kenites, the Kenezzites, the Kadmonites, 20 the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Rephaim, 21 the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Girgashites, and the Jebusites."​

Now we know that God began giving possession of this land entity to the Descendants of Israel as they left the desert to being entering the "Promised Land," over a period of around 430 years when King David stamped His dominion over some of the extended promised land outside of the Land of Canaan. After the death of King Solomon Israel's dominion/possession of much of the Promised Land was taken from them and Israel was only left with the Land of Canaan which God had promised to King David to give to Israel, and even this was taken from them in 70 AD.

Now in Genesis 15:16 God told Abraham that in the fourth age of the existence of His descendant, that some of them will return, in their own strength, to the Land in which he was living at that time. This prophetic word was fulfilled in 1948, by my calculations 4,000 years after the birth of Isaac. (We must remember that an "age" is around 1,024 solar years in duration.)

The word translated as "generation" in Genesis 15:16 that has the embedded Hebrew Root Word H:1755 within it, is the same Hebrew Root Word that is embedded in in Jeremaih 50:39: - דּ֥וֹר (dō·wr) וָדֽוֹר (wā·ḏō·wr). Also in this verse we also have the Hebrew Root Word H:5331 which has the meaning of in Strong as : -

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In other words this Hebrew Root Word has a finite meaning/duration and as such we should be able to find the finite duration within the context of the verse and that is found in the Hebrew words : - דּ֥וֹר (dō·wr) וָדֽוֹר (wā·ḏō·wr) which should be translated as "an age plus/and an age" or more commonly expressed as simply two ages.

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Now the translators have latched upon the words at the start of the verse where we are told that Babylon would be devastated and made desolate and assumed that this was an infinite outcome and so has translated this as many generation instead of for two generation/ages.

I trust that this explanation helps.

Well, it's overly strident. :) Among other things. :) Oh... uh, yeah... in my opinion. :)

I will say, though, that I'm not a Strong's guy. :) It's not terrible, but there are places where the translations... and the associated commentary... could be better. :) And if you're using the Blue Letter Bible, I would say the same thing.

Shalom

Grace and peace to you, Jay.

 

[Jay Ross]

Well, I didn't say that. There are several places where the English language can't quite capture the full force of the Hebrew and/or Greek. But it's not inaccurate.

I thought that that was what I was pointing out.

I will say, though, that I'm not a Strong's guy. :) It's not terrible, but there are places where the translations... and the associated commentary... could be better. :) And if you're using the Blue Letter Bible, I would say the same thing.

I am often cautious when using the different dictionaries and commentaries available.

I am not a Blue Letter Bible kind of guy. I prefer the Bible Hub web site but even there, I find that I have to check what they present, just like many do on this forum with what is posted. It is okay if you understand the limitation of the particular package that is being using. Sadly, I have observed that people can use Biblical packages outside of their designed limitations.

Feedback is important for us all to learn not just for the author of the post being commented on but also for the readers on this forum who remain silent but who meditate on the subject matter.

Shalom

 

[PinSeeker]

I thought that that was what I was pointing out.

Well good, but your words conveyed something quite different. Or at least so it seems; you said, "Our present translations have multipl(e) errors in their translations which actually seals the truth of the End Time Prophecies from being discovered." I strongly disagree with that, and would, rather, say that some things in some of these translations make it easier for the reader to misunderstand what is actually being said here or there. But the truth is still... "discoverable."

I am often cautious when using the different dictionaries and commentaries available.

I am not a Blue Letter Bible kind of guy. I prefer the Bible Hub web site but even there, I find that I have to check what they present, just like many do on this forum with what is posted. It is okay if you understand the limitation of the particular package that is being using. Sadly, I have observed that people can use Biblical packages outside of their designed limitations.

Feedback is important for us all to learn not just for the author of the post being commented on but also for the readers on this forum who remain silent but who meditate on the subject matter.

Very well.

Shalom

Grace and peace to you.

 

[BlessedPeace]

Trolling are you?

It's not trolling to recognize a ridiculous criticism related to Hebrew OT translation.

Don't start targeting me. I am immune to bullies. I like them to prove they can but criticize scripture since they are unable to hear them speak.

Have a better life.

Oh, bye.

 

[Jay Ross]

It's not trolling to recognize a ridiculous criticism related to Hebrew OT translation.

Don't start targeting me. I am immune to bullies. I like them to prove they can but criticize scripture since they are unable to hear them speak.

Have a better life.

Oh, bye.

BlessedPeace, if my previous posts contain errors, then show me where my error is in the examples I provided, rather than carrying on the way you are. It is really not becoming of you.

Goodbye

 

[Keraz]

This thread has been well and truly hijacked.
I ask that people just consider the sun, how it is a massive inferno but our life sustainer.

Prophesy does say the sun is what the Lord will use to reset civilization the next time. Check out - spaceweather.com

 

[BlessedPeace]

This thread has been well and truly hijacked.
I ask that people just consider the sun, how it is a massive inferno but our life sustainer.

Prophesy does say the sun is what the Lord will use to reset civilization the next time. Check out - spaceweather.com

God said next time he resets the world it won't be by water but by fire.
You have no legitimate basis to claim the sun cannot be the vehicle he uses.

 

[Keraz]

God said next time he resets the world it won't be by water but by fire.
You have no legitimate basis to claim the sun cannot be the vehicle he uses.

Sigh......
It IS the sun that I show is Prophesied to be the way the Lord will destroy His enemies and change the world.
What the Prophets describe can only be fulfilled by an explosion of the suns surface. We should know all about this.

 

[Keraz]

How Revelation 6:13 will be fulfilled:

SUPERSTORM TRIGGERED A MASS MIGRATION OF SATELLITES: Earth just experienced the biggest mass migration of satellites in history. On May 10, 2024, approximately 5000 spacecraft had to maneuver to maintain altitude, resisting a geomagnetic storm that was trying to pull them down. The event is described in a research paper just accepted by the Journal of Spacecraft and Rockets.

"Most were SpaceX Starlink satellites," says William Parker of MIT, the paper's lead author. "Each satellite has a GNSS receiver as well as autonomous station-keeping and collision-avoidance capabilities. When they sensed the effects of the storm, thousands of the satellites made the decision to maneuver."

The need to migrate upward was caused by a sudden increase in satellite drag. Earth's atmosphere absorbed a huge amount of energy from the solar storm, causing it to puff up like a marshmallow held over a campfire. Tendrils of heated air reached into space and started dragging the satellites down.

"The superstorm's peak power was 2.63 TeraWatts," says Martin Mlynczak, who retired from NASA's Langley Research Center a month after the storm. Before he left, he used infrared data from NASA's TIMED spacecraft to estimate the amount of thermal energy dumped into the upper atmosphere. "It deposited enough energy to run my house for 10 million years (I average about 510 kWh per month)," he says.

Earth's atmosphere has been heated this much before, most recently during the Halloween storms of 2003. In those days, however, the satellite population was relatively low (fewer than 1000) and there was no mass migration.

"The May 2024 geomagnetic storm was the first major storm to occur during a new paradigm in low Earth orbit satellite operations dominated by commercial small satellites," the authors wrote in their paper.

Thanks mainly to the advent of Starlink in 2019, Earth now has almost 10,000 active satellites--ten times the number in 2003. When a fraction of them unexpectedly decide to change course all at once, satellite operators must scramble to track them, making sure they don't collide. This creates a new and unprecedented risk for all satellites, even ones that don't move.

It's a problem that will only get worse in the years ahead. "Major storms are more likely throughout 2024-2025 during the peak of Solar Cycle 25," says Parker, "and the satellite population continues to grow."
Ref: spaceweather.com July 2024

 

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[TribulationSigns]

@Keraz

The sun in Revelation has NOTHING to do with our SOL! In the book of Revelation which is symbolic book, the sun often represents God and by extension His Congregation. Just as Christ is the Israel of God, and by extension the Church is spoken of as Israel! OR just as Christ as the sun is the light of the world, and the church as the body of Christ is spoken as the light of the world:
John 9:5

• "As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world."

Christ is the light of the world.

Matthew 5:14

• "Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid."

We are the light of the world because we represent Christ on earth. The Sun is the visible light of the world, signifying also the kingdom of Christ on earth. So when the messenger pours out his vial on the Sun, it is God's judgment upon His church. Get it?! Probably not if you are busy reading the SpaceWeatherLive site than reading the Bible with spiritual discernment.

In the Book of Revelation, the woman wearing the sun, moon and stars to represents her as the congregation. Not about physical sun, moon and stars out there in the space! Scripture interprets Scripture! The messenger pouring out his vial upon the sun is an illustration of judgment upon the church so that the people therein are judged. The same illustration is in Matthew 24 of the sun becoming darkened, and the moon not giving her light, it's signifying the end of the church, as God judges her for her degradations. It is because she is being judged that these people in her blasphemed the name of God who had power over these plagues on her (spiritually Babylon) so that they would not repent to give Gods glory. They have usurped authority from God wherein they trust in themselves, they rule themselves as their own god, to do whatever s right in their own eyes. This is Satan loosed to damn those who are snared in self-justification wherein they simply would not receive the truth of God's word.

2nd Thessalonians 2:9-12

• "Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
• And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
• And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
• That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

This is not talking about getting strong delusion from the heat of our Sol! This is the same principle, which is God's loosing of Satan that His judgment of these plagues upon Babylon is poured out on the unfaithful church that she will never rise again. Revelation 16 speaks of them being scorched with heat from the Sun to signify this is God's judgment and they are overcome of the evil one that "He" has sent. Those faithful who see these abominations and come out of the church in time are those who endured great tribulation and trial to receive eternal life. As is pictured in James chapter 1, if you allow Scripture interpret Scripture:

James 1:11-12

• " For the sun is no sooner risen with a burning heat, but it withereth the grass, and the flower thereof falleth, and the grace of the fashion of it perisheth: so also shall the rich man fade away in his ways.
• Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him."

The withered grass from the heat of the sun are those who are under God's judgment. But blessed are those that endure trial/temptation because these are those truly in Christ who the heat cannot harm.

Isaiah 49:10

• "They shall not hunger nor thirst; neither shall the heat nor sun smite them: for he that hath mercy on them shall lead them, even by the springs of water shall he guide them."

Which is why God says, come out of her my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues (Revelation 18:4). The same plagues God says He has power over when He scorched these men with great heat. God is not talking about getting a bad case of sunburn if you don't flee the church. Selah! There is a consistent theme and scenario that runs through this whole episode all throughout scripture.

Your interpreation of the sun is NOT correct! Go out and enjoy some sunbath as God provided us the physical Sol!