The Sun, God's tool to change the World

[Douggg]

Douggg you need to read Jeremaih 50-51 slowly and carefully understand the Hebrew text as you are missing what these two chapters are presenting.

Jeremaih 50:39: -
39 "Therefore the wild desert beasts shall dwell there with the jackals,
And the ostriches shall dwell in it.
Nor shall it be inhabited for a long period of time beyond our comprehension,
It shall not be dwelt in for two ages.

Douggg I have been considering the translation for over 20 years now and have formed a very different understanding of the original Hebrew text and context of the original Hebrew texts. Now if you want to disagree with me present your reasoned case to disprove what I am posting. Your blanket claim, "Jeremiah 50-51, that you referenced, is about the prophesied destruction of ancient Babylon. So those two chapters do not apply to the end times" contains no evidence to justify such a bold claim.

Goodbye

I believe that Jeremiah 50:39 and 51:37 the abandonment by humans to inhabit Babylon has be fulfilled, for the past 2000+ years,.

remains of anicent babylon - Bing

I don't think literal Babylon is relevant to the end time prophecies. However, I do think that the referral to Babylon the Great in Revelation is metaphorical speaking about Satan and his angels mystical kingdom that will be destroyed.

 

[Jay Ross]

I believe that Jeremiah 50:39 and 51:37 the abandonment by humans to inhabit Babylon has be fulfilled, for the past 2000+ years,.

remains of anicent babylon - Bing

I don't think literal Babylon is relevant to the end time prophecies. However, I do think that the referral to Babylon the Great in Revelation is metaphorical speaking about Satan and his angels mystical kingdom that will be destroyed.

Douggg you are presenting your opinions a being facts when you have not proved your perspective on the quoted verses. You have not been able to support your posts with any facts from the scriptures.

This then is a pointless conversation with you.

Goodbye

 

[Douggg]

Douggg you are presenting your opinions a being facts when you have not proved your perspective on the quoted verses. You have not been able to support your posts with any facts from the scriptures.

This then is a pointless conversation with you.

Goodbye

Jeremiah 50:39 and 51:37 combined with all those photos of the ruins of ancient Babylon is more than sufficient proof.

remains of anicent babylon - Bing

 

[PinSeeker]

Douggg you are presenting your opinions a being facts when you have not proved your perspective on the quoted verses. You have not been able to support your posts with any facts from the scriptures.

This then is a pointless conversation with you.

Goodbye

@Jay, I do agree with you that what Jeremiah says in chapters 50 and 51 does have very clear implications regarding the end times, and I think @Douggg would agree with that, but @Douggg is absolutely correct in saying, "literal Babylon is relevant to the end time prophecies" but that "the referral to Babylon the Great in Revelation is metaphorical speaking about Satan and his angels mystical kingdom that will be destroyed." This dichotomy of the "lesser" and "greater" ~ and the lesser pointing to the greater ~ is very prevalent throughout Scripture.

Grace and peace to both of you.

 

[Jay Ross]

Jeremiah 50:39 and 51:37 combined with all those photos of the ruins of ancient Babylon is more than sufficient proof.

remains of anicent babylon - Bing

Douggg, wrong assumptions does not make your theories right.

Goodbye

 

[Jay Ross]

@Jay, I do agree with you that what Jeremiah says in chapters 50 and 51 does have very clear implications regarding the end times, and I think @Douggg would agree with that, but @Douggg is absolutely correct in saying, "literal Babylon is relevant to the end time prophecies" but that "the referral to Babylon the Great in Revelation is metaphorical speaking about Satan and his angels mystical kingdom that will be destroyed." This dichotomy of the "lesser" and "greater" ~ and the lesser pointing to the greater ~ is very prevalent throughout Scripture.

Grace and peace to both of you.

Perhaps, but why did John say this in Rev 16:17-21 if Babylon is irrelevant to the end times.

Revelation 16:17-21: - Seventh Bowl: The Earth Utterly Shaken

17 Then the seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and a loud voice came out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, “It is done!” 18 And there were noises and thunderings and lightnings; and there was great turmoil, such a mighty and great turmoil as had not occurred since men were on the earth. 19 Now the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell. And great Babylon was remembered before God, to give her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of His wrath. 20 Then every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. 21 And great hail from heaven fell upon men, each hailstone about the weight of a talent. Men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail, since that plague was exceedingly great.

Also why Does Jeremaih 50 speak about a "king of the North going into the land of Babylon to heal the land" which occurred in 2003 AD if Babylon did not exist during this present time.

Our present translations have multiply errors in their translations which actually seals the truth of the End Time Prophecies from being discovered.

Jeremiah 50:39 is one such example where the context of the Hebrew in the verse is not visible in the translated verse and a very different context has been inserted.

Douggg, and many other End Time experts of today, have not meditated upon the Ent Time scriptures sufficiently enough to begin to see through the fog of the misguided translations to be able to see the actual reality that is found in the Hebrew and Greek verses.

Even today we have trouble comprehending the long timespans that are contained in the prophetic events that are still to come.

To blindly accept the so called "experts is a problem that we all have had to deal with over the years of our existence.

Goodbye

 

[Douggg]

Douggg, wrong assumptions does not make your theories right.

Goodbye

I am not assuming the photos of the ruins of ancient Babylon. remains of anicent babylon - Bing

 

[Douggg]

Perhaps, but why did John say this in Rev 16:17-21 if Babylon is irrelevant to the end times.

The mystical kingdom Babylon the Great of Satan and his angels and the evil it has spread has impacted the entire world.
Which is why the global impact of the 7th vial of God's wrath.

The great city is the entire world. The earth's crust will be split into thirds.

18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

 

[Jay Ross]

The mystical kingdom Babylon the Great of Satan and his angels and the evil it has spread has impacted the entire world.
Which is why the global impact of the 7th vial of God's wrath.

The great city is the entire world. The earth's crust will be split into thirds.

18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

Again, what you are posting is from your fertile imagination.

The seventh bowl Judgement predominately played out during the 20th century.

These three event in verse 19 took place during these years: -

And the great city was divided into three parts, -

The happened in 1948 AD when the UN partitioned Jerusalem into three parts under the control of Brittian, Jordan and the UN.

and the cities of the nations fell: -

This occurred during WW1 as the Otterman Empire was slowly defeated.

and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

This occurred after WW1 when the British and French Governments divided up the defeated Otterman Empire in 1926 AD

As for your post: -

I am not assuming the photos of the ruins of ancient Babylon. remains of anicent babylon - Bing

It does show that the Land of Babylon has been devastated for a long period of time, but the photographs do not disprove the fact that in 1926 AD after some 2,000 years that the Land of Babylon "came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath"

You are twisting the Biblical and historical facts to suit the story that you want to be your truth, which it is definitely not.

Goodbye

 

[BlessedPeace]

As Bible prophecy does tell us that a Coronal Mass Ejection, an explosion of the sun’s surface is what the Lord will use on His Day of wrath, Isaiah 30:26a-30, Psalms 50:1-2, Malachi 4:1, +, we should know what a CME is and what it can do.
Briefly: On the Appointed Day, Isaiah 10:17, the sun will explode out a huge, earth directed mass of superheated hydrogen plasma. The initial super bright flash, Isaiah 30:26, and the Electro- Magnetic Pulse will arrive here within 8 minutes, causing armed nuke weapons to explode, Jeremiah 49:35,; all electrical and modern communication systems will be destroyed. The EMP microwave effect will also cause tectonic plate movement, Deuteronomy 32:22 resulting in severe worldwide earthquakes and tsunamis.
The sun will be darkened by being obscured by the approaching mass and the moon will shine bright red from the reflection of the seven times brighter sun flash.
24 hours after the explosion, the main mass of superheated Hydrogen Plasma will strike the earth, directly onto the Middle East, Zephaniah 2:4, wiping out the entire population, excepting a small remnant in Jerusalem. Isaiah 29:4, Jeremiah 10:18, Psalms 97:3-5, Zephaniah 1:14-18;+ [God's perfect solution to the ME crisis]
But as the earth is rotating and moving at 66,000mph on its orbital track, it quickly moves away and the rest of the world won't be so badly affected. The survivor's will form a One World Government, but we Christians will gather and live in all of the holy Land. Ezekiel 34:11-31, Psalms 107, Isaiah 35:1-10

The great Day of the Lord's wrath; the Sixth Seal, will come upon everyone the whole world over. Luke 21:34-35 Proved by how Revelation 6:15 covers every person. Isaiah 24:1-2, Zephaniah 3:8, 2 Peter 3:7
No one will be taken away before this great test of our faith, 1 Peter 4:12, we will all see the cosmic effects and experience the devastation of that Day. Jeremiah 25:29-33
There are some signs to happen before that Day, we should know about. The 'sign of the fig tree budding', has occurred with the Jews establishing their own State in a part of the holy Land. Jesus said: the generation that see’s this, will [can] live to see it all. Matthew 24:32-34, Ezekiel 12:25
Another prophecy that requires fulfilment before that Day, is Isaiah 3:1-7 and it may be that Micah 5:1 will precede it.

Isaiah 3:1-7 is specifically about Judah and Jerusalem. It says that they will lose their good leaders and the Lord will appoint incompetent youths to govern.
This prophecy has not been fulfilled as Written, so must belong to the present day. Judah is a nation, they control Jerusalem and they have a strong and experienced leader in Benyamin Netanyahu. If anything happened to him, they would be in disarray.
Micah 5:1, is an interesting verse without any context to help explain it, says how Israel's ruler will be struck on the cheek with a rod. A 'rod' is a slang term for a rifle and today it is possible for a sniper to accurately hit people at ranges of up to 2 miles.

The world is plainly, as in the days of Noah, as they and now we; think is normal life. BUT they and now the modern world, have sidelined their Creator. People say 'there is no God' and the bulk of humans, just ignore the One true God and worship materialism, idols or false gods. God will correct the situation; He did so before and He will do it again!
Isaiah 3:8-26, goes on to tell how rebel Judah will be brought low; the look on their faces testifies against them! Amazing prophecy, that perfectly fits the arrogant, LGBT and 'stiff necked' people who live in Israel now.
The Lord says: on that Day, I will take away your pride, instead of perfume there will be the stink of decay.....your men will fall by the Sword of the Lord and Zion will be stripped bare. Wait for the Day!

Looking forward to it.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/11/science/nova-new-star-nasa-scn/index.html

 

[Keraz]

Looking forward to it.

The Effects of a hit by a Coronal Mass Ejection:

Zephaniah 2:4 Gaza will be deserted, Ashkelon and Ashdod left a waste, their people gone at noonday.

Amos 1:7-8 I shall send fire to consume the houses of Gaza and I shall wipe out the inhabitants of Ashdod and Ekron and all the Philistines who are left will perish.
These prophecies tell us that at ‘noonday’, the Lord will ‘send fire’ upon the coastal cities of Gaza and Israel. Other prophecies say how all the Middle East will be severely affected:

Ezekiel 30:1-5...Cush, Put, Libya, Egypt and all the allied Arab lands will fall on the Lord’s Day of Reckoning for the nations.
Jeremiah 49:2 The time is coming when Ammon [Jordan] will become a desolate mound, their villages burnt to ashes.
Amos 2:4-5 For the crimes of Judah, [the State of Israel] there will be no reprieve. I shall send fire on Judah, to consume the palaces of Jerusalem.

From many other prophecies, we know that this terrible fire judgement will be triggered by the commencement of an attack by an Ishmaelite, Islamic confederation upon Israel: Psalms 83, Psalms 7:12-15, Obadiah 1:15, Habakkuk 3:14. However the Coronal Mass Ejection, as we are told: Isaiah 30:26, that the Lord will use on that Day, will affect all the world to a greater or lesser extent:

2 Peter 3:7 & 10...all the earth will be brought to judgement. Isaiah 66:15-17 The Lord will judge with fire and will test all mankind.
Zephaniah 3:8 On the Day I stand up and pour My wrath on the whole earth, it will be enveloped by My burning anger.
Isaiah 24:1 Be warned, the Lord is about to strip the earth... everyone will be affected.

Some factors to consider with a CME:
1/ The earth’s rotation. We can see that this direct strike at mid-day onto the Middle East, will affect all that half of the earth facing the sun and as the earth rotates Eastward, the Americas will be next, then New Zealand, Australia, Asia, etc. This will be just a one Day event, because this mass of superheated cosmic particles will be travelling from 2 to 5 million miles per hour, in 24 hours, it will be gone, on its way to outer space.

2/ The orbital speed around the sun. With an orbital speed of 66,000 miles per hour and the diameter of the earth of 7,900 miles, what will happen is the earth will quickly move away from this direct hit. The countries affected later will receive a glancing blow and it is this that actually pushes the earth and speeds up its orbit, thereby giving us a 360 day year, making the time periods given in Revelation and Daniel a reality. Isaiah 24:19-20

3/ The earth’s precession. This is the wobble of the earth’s axis, that causes the seasons. Most of the earth’s population live in the Northern Hemisphere and it may be that this event will happen during their winter, because it seems that most will survive there.

Be aware that because of the severe earthquakes; the earth ‘reeling and shaking’, 2 Samuel 22:8, Isaiah 29:6, Haggai 2:21, Revelation 6:12, Amos 8:8 ‘The whole earth will surge and seethe like the Nile.’.. the oceans and lakes will slosh from side to side and huge tsunamis are prophesied. Jeremiah 51:42 So anyone living near a coast should be prepared to go quickly to high ground. But everyone should heed the warning and have a place prepared to take shelter from the extreme temperatures, storm winds and earthquakes.

Isaiah 14:24 & 26 ‘My plan for the whole world, will surely take place’.
Ref: REB. Abridged.

 

[Douggg]

The seventh bowl Judgement predominately played out during the 20th century.

Jay, none of the bowls of God's wrath have taken place yet. Those do not take place until the middle part of the 7 year 70th week when the abomination of desolation statue image of the beast king is setup.

And the great city was divided into three parts, -

The happened in 1948 AD when the UN partitioned Jerusalem into three parts under the control of Brittian, Jordan and the UN.

No, the great city will be divided into three parts because of the global earth quake.

18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

 

[PinSeeker]

Perhaps, but why did John say this in Rev 16:17-21 if Babylon is irrelevant to the end times.

Revelation 16:17-21: - Seventh Bowl: The Earth Utterly Shaken

17 Then the seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and a loud voice came out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, “It is done!” 18 And there were noises and thunderings and lightnings; and there was great turmoil, such a mighty and great turmoil as had not occurred since men were on the earth. 19 Now the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell. And great Babylon was remembered before God, to give her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of His wrath. 20 Then every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. 21 And great hail from heaven fell upon men, each hailstone about the weight of a talent. Men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail, since that plague was exceedingly great.

Also why Dones Jeremaih 50 speak about a "king of the North going into the land of Babylon to heal the land" which occurred in 2003 AD if Babylon did not exist during this present time.

Our present translations have multiply errors in their translations which actually seals the truth of the End Time Prophecies from being discovered.

Jeremiah 50:39 is one such example where the context of the Hebrew in the verse is not visible in the translated verse and a very different context has been inserted.

Douggg, and many other End Time experts of today, have not meditated upon the Ent Time scriptures sufficiently enough to begin to see through the fog of the misguided translations to be able to see the actual reality that is found in the Hebrew and Greek verses.

Even today we have trouble comprehending the long timespans that are contained in the prophetic events that are still to come.

To blindly accept the so called "experts is a problem that we all have had to deal with over the years of our existence.

Goodbye

In Revelation 16, "great Babylon" is symbolic of the worldly city, which is not an actual city, but the world and it's unrighteous, sinful inhabitants in general. Contrastingly, we, as believers, are the Holy City, the City of God. As Augustine first said (and I'm summarizing, of course, from his work The City of God), there is a spiritual city, that represents the Christian Church or community and which stands in contrast to the worldly city, that is, the secular world in general.

Also why Dones Jeremaih 50 speak about a "king of the North going into the land of Babylon to heal the land" which occurred in 2003 AD if Babylon did not exist during this present time.

Our present translations have multiply errors in their translations which actually seals the truth of the End Time Prophecies from being discovered.

We will agree to disagree on this...

Also why Dones Jeremaih 50 speak about a "king of the North going into the land of Babylon to heal the land" which occurred in 2003 AD if Babylon did not exist during this present time.

Hmmm... "which occurred in 2003 AD"... Hmmm...

Jeremiah 50:39 is one such example where the context of the Hebrew in the verse is not visible in the translated verse and a very different context has been inserted.

There are a few things in English translations of the Bible where it is really not possible to translate absolutely accurately from the Hebrew of the Old Testament or the Greek of the New to English, and possibly some other languages. We could talk about Jeremiah 50:39; I'm not sure of your thoughts there. But, for example, the Greek word translated to English as 'faith' in the New Testament doesn't really capture all the ideas contained in the Greek root 'pistis.' It's not a "corruption," but in and of itself just doesn't quite convey the full concept. That's why many today understand it as a sort of "unverified hope," or even a "wish," that we manufacture in ourselves, which, it absolutely, unequivocally is not. In such cases, limited as they are, it is necessary to get some understanding of the Hebrew and/or the Greek, as I'm sure you will agree.

Douggg, and many other End Time experts of today, have not meditated upon the Ent Time scriptures sufficiently enough to begin to see through...

This is your opinion only, which, you're welcome to, of course; you're certainly your own person. I don't mean to insult your intelligence or you in general in any way, but as an opinion, it carries no real weight.

Ummm... goodbye to you, too...?

Grace and peace to you.

 

[BlessedPeace]

The Effects of a hit by a Coronal Mass Ejection:

Zephaniah 2:4 Gaza will be deserted, Ashkelon and Ashdod left a waste, their people gone at noonday.

Amos 1:7-8 I shall send fire to consume the houses of Gaza and I shall wipe out the inhabitants of Ashdod and Ekron and all the Philistines who are left will perish.
These prophecies tell us that at ‘noonday’, the Lord will ‘send fire’ upon the coastal cities of Gaza and Israel. Other prophecies say how all the Middle East will be severely affected:

Ezekiel 30:1-5...Cush, Put, Libya, Egypt and all the allied Arab lands will fall on the Lord’s Day of Reckoning for the nations.
Jeremiah 49:2 The time is coming when Ammon [Jordan] will become a desolate mound, their villages burnt to ashes.
Amos 2:4-5 For the crimes of Judah, [the State of Israel] there will be no reprieve. I shall send fire on Judah, to consume the palaces of Jerusalem.

From many other prophecies, we know that this terrible fire judgement will be triggered by the commencement of an attack by an Ishmaelite, Islamic confederation upon Israel: Psalms 83, Psalms 7:12-15, Obadiah 1:15, Habakkuk 3:14. However the Coronal Mass Ejection, as we are told: Isaiah 30:26, that the Lord will use on that Day, will affect all the world to a greater or lesser extent:

2 Peter 3:7 & 10...all the earth will be brought to judgement. Isaiah 66:15-17 The Lord will judge with fire and will test all mankind.
Zephaniah 3:8 On the Day I stand up and pour My wrath on the whole earth, it will be enveloped by My burning anger.
Isaiah 24:1 Be warned, the Lord is about to strip the earth... everyone will be affected.

Some factors to consider with a CME:
1/ The earth’s rotation. We can see that this direct strike at mid-day onto the Middle East, will affect all that half of the earth facing the sun and as the earth rotates Eastward, the Americas will be next, then New Zealand, Australia, Asia, etc. This will be just a one Day event, because this mass of superheated cosmic particles will be travelling from 2 to 5 million miles per hour, in 24 hours, it will be gone, on its way to outer space.

2/ The orbital speed around the sun. With an orbital speed of 66,000 miles per hour and the diameter of the earth of 7,900 miles, what will happen is the earth will quickly move away from this direct hit. The countries affected later will receive a glancing blow and it is this that actually pushes the earth and speeds up its orbit, thereby giving us a 360 day year, making the time periods given in Revelation and Daniel a reality. Isaiah 24:19-20

3/ The earth’s precession. This is the wobble of the earth’s axis, that causes the seasons. Most of the earth’s population live in the Northern Hemisphere and it may be that this event will happen during their winter, because it seems that most will survive there.

Be aware that because of the severe earthquakes; the earth ‘reeling and shaking’, 2 Samuel 22:8, Isaiah 29:6, Haggai 2:21, Revelation 6:12, Amos 8:8 ‘The whole earth will surge and seethe like the Nile.’.. the oceans and lakes will slosh from side to side and huge tsunamis are prophesied. Jeremiah 51:42 So anyone living near a coast should be prepared to go quickly to high ground. But everyone should heed the warning and have a place prepared to take shelter from the extreme temperatures, storm winds and earthquakes.

Isaiah 14:24 & 26 ‘My plan for the whole world, will surely take place’.
Ref: REB. Abridged.

God's plan for the whole world....

Which is why I believe our imagining we have a will free of that is foolish at worst, optimistic at best.

I see humans lives like unto surfing the pipe in Hawaii.

The massive power of that wave that lives beneath your feet as you stand up on a fiberglass board with that eternal power surrounding you is inescapable.
You know relative to its presence you are a spec. You may know how to ride and stay on that board.

However,if you forget that power can knock you off and destroy you in a blink, you shall be taught the truth and shall be made to change your mind. Or,you die an ugly death.
Possibly even are shredded by the coral beneath.

Respect.

Your feet on the board,on the wave of eternal power that feeds the earth and all its of creation here is alive beneath your feet. You can feel that innate energy,power,presence. It itself is an energy wave that flows into you and penetrates everything about you.

You are one. And humbled.

And in my view that is but one evidence of Holy Spirit. When I found it palpable there, as intended, Spirit knew the door was opened to know Spirit was everywhere.

Proverbs 16:9 (AMP)

A man’s mind plans his way [as he journeys through life], But the Lord directs his steps and establishes them.

 

[Jay Ross]

Jay, none of the bowls of God's wrath have taken place yet. Those do not take place until the middle part of the 7 year 70th week when the abomination of desolation statue image of the beast king is setup.

No, the great city will be divided into three parts because of the global earth quake.

18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

Dougggg, after spending much time considering the Hebrew and Greek text, I find that I can no longer support your expressed opinions just simple based on what the English translations tell us.

The Greek Root word G:4578 ("seismos") has the meaning of "a commotion, shaking," which is best understood as being turmoil. In Matthew 28:2 "Seismos" is translated in this manner where the word "earthquake" is wrongly used because it is impossible to have an earthquake when an Angel is descending through the air as it is coming down from heaven to the earth to carry out some task. If an earthquake is associated with an Angel's visitation to a person or a group of people than one could expect that this phenomena would be recorded elsewhere in the scriptures. However, in this passage there would have been great turmoil among the Guard set to stop Jesus' body from being stolen from the tomb by Jesus' disciples.

Matthew 28:1-4: - 1 Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb. 2 And behold, there was a great earthquake/great turmoil; for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven and came and rolled back the stone from the door and sat on it. 3 His countenance was like lightning, and his clothing as white as snow. 4 And the guards shook for fear of him and became like dead men.​

Please note that verse 4 in this quoted passage strongly confirms that the set Guard was in turmoil because of the events taking place.

If we go back a few verses we read: -

Matthew 27:50-54: – 50 And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice and yielded up His spirit.​

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51 Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split, 52 and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; 53 and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many.​

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54 So when the centurion and those with him, who were guarding Jesus, saw the earthquake/turmoil and the things that had happened, they feared greatly, saying, “Truly this was the Son of God!”​

Now people feel an earthquake if they are not on the actual fault line and see the effects of the quake. In Jerusalem at this time there would have been much turmoil among the people in Jerusalem because Jesus had been taken by the Temple Priests etc. and then crucified by the Roman soldiers and had died. There would have been much confusion and turmoil among the people in and around Jerusalem at that time.

Here is a list of all of the embedded occurrences of G:4758: -



All of the listed verse are best understood if the Greek Words with the embedded Greek Root word G:4578 are translated as Turmoil.

Douggg, unless you have spent much time meditating upon the actual language of the original Biblical Texts, you will miss much in your understanding.

Your rebuttals are framed to bolster your imagination of how the end times will unfold. You need to do much more study on the Scriptures to come to the right understanding.

Goodbye

 

[Jay Ross]

This is your opinion only, which, you're welcome to, of course; you're certainly your own person. I don't mean to insult your intelligence or you in general in any way, but as an opinion, it carries no real weight.

As is what you have posted. No offence is meant though.

Goodbye

 

[Douggg]

Dougggg, after spending much time considering the Hebrew and Greek text, I find that I can no longer support your expressed opinions just simple based on what the English translations tell us.

The Greek Root word G:4578 ("seismos") has the meaning of "a commotion, shaking," which is best understood as being turmoil. In Matthew 28:2 "Seismos" is translated in this manner where the word "earthquake" is wrongly used because it is impossible to have an earthquake when an Angel is descending through the air as it is coming down from heaven to the earth to carry out some task. If an earthquake is associated with an Angel's visitation to a person or a group of people than one could expect that this phenomena would be recorded elsewhere in the scriptures. However, in this passage there would have been great turmoil among the Guard set to stop Jesus' body from being stolen from the tomb by Jesus' disciples.

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Matthew 28:1-4: - 1 Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb. 2 And behold, there was a great earthquake/great turmoil; for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven and came and rolled back the stone from the door and sat on it. 3 His countenance was like lightning, and his clothing as white as snow. 4 And the guards shook for fear of him and became like dead men.​

Please note that verse 4 in this quoted passage strongly confirms that the set Guard was in turmoil because of the events taking place.

If we go back a few verses we read: -

Matthew 27:50-54: – 50 And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice and yielded up His spirit.​

​

51 Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split, 52 and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; 53 and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many.​

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54 So when the centurion and those with him, who were guarding Jesus, saw the earthquake/turmoil and the things that had happened, they feared greatly, saying, “Truly this was the Son of God!”​

Now people feel an earthquake if they are not on the actual fault line and see the effects of the quake. In Jerusalem at this time there would have been much turmoil among the people in Jerusalem because Jesus had been taken by the Temple Priests etc. and then crucified by the Roman soldiers and had died. There would have been much confusion and turmoil among the people in and around Jerusalem at that time.

Here is a list of all of the embedded occurrences of G:4758: -

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All of the listed verse are best understood if the Greek Words with the embedded Greek Root word G:4578 are translated as Turmoil.

Douggg, unless you have spent much time meditating upon the actual language of the original Biblical Texts, you will miss much in your understanding.

Your rebuttals are framed to bolster your imagination of how the end times will unfold. You need to do much more study on the Scriptures to come to the right understanding.

Goodbye

Jay, it will be a global earthquake.

18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.

 

[Jay Ross]

There are a few things in English translations of the Bible where it is really not possible to translate absolutely accurately from the Hebrew of the Old Testament or the Greek of the New to English, and possibly some other languages. We could talk about Jeremiah 50:39; I'm not sure of your thoughts there. But, for example, the Greek word translated to English as 'faith' in the New Testament doesn't really capture all the ideas contained in the Greek root 'pistis.' It's not a "corruption," but in and of itself just doesn't quite convey the full concept. That's why many today understand it as a sort of "unverified hope," or even a "wish," that we manufacture in ourselves, which, it absolutely, unequivocally is not. In such cases, limited as they are, it is necessary to get some understanding of the Hebrew and/or the Greek, as I'm sure you will agree.

Yes, I agree with you that there have been many Jewish biased understandings embedded into our translations that are misleading to say the least. On such Hebrew Root Word is H:5768. olam, which is usually translated as "Forever" but the Strong Definition would suggest otherwise, and history certainly does not support this understanding.

Let us consider Genesis 13:14-17: -

Genesis 12:14-17: - 14 And the Lord said to Abram, after Lot had separated from him: "Lift your eyes now and look from the place where you are — northward, southward, eastward, and westward; 15 for all the land/earth which you see I give to you and/, {that (entity)}, I will give to your descendants forever/for a long period of time whose ending, which is beyond man’s comprehension, is at the vanishing point, {of this particular time period}, in the future. 16 And I will make your descendants as the dust of the earth; so that if a man could number the dust of the earth, then your descendants also could be numbered. 17 Arise, walk in the land/ my earth through its length and its width, for I give it to you/this {entity} I will give. "​

Another way of paraphrasing verse 15 to make it easier to read and understand might be: -

"for all the earth which you see, that entity, I will give to your descendants for a long period of time where the end point of that time period, will be beyond your descendants capacity to comprehend when the possession of the described land will end."​

If we consider the historical record we know from the scriptures and History that God also promised this same area of the earth in descriptive form where he listed the same land in this form: -

Genesis 15:18-21: - 18 On the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying:​

"To your descendants I have given/will give this land/{entity/portion} of the earth, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the River Euphrates — 19 the Kenites, the Kenezzites, the Kadmonites, 20 the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Rephaim, 21 the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Girgashites, and the Jebusites."​

Now we know that God began giving possession of this land entity to the Descendants of Israel as they left the desert to being entering the "Promised Land," over a period of around 430 years when King David stamped His dominion over some of the extended promised land outside of the Land of Canaan. After the death of King Solomon Israel's dominion/possession of much of the Promised Land was taken from them and Israel was only left with the Land of Canaan which God had promised to King David to give to Israel, and even this was taken from them in 70 AD.

Now in Genesis 15:16 God told Abraham that in the fourth age of the existence of His descendant, that some of them will return, in their own strength, to the Land in which he was living at that time. This prophetic word was fulfilled in 1948, by my calculations 4,000 years after the birth of Isaac. (We must remember that an "age" is around 1,024 solar years in duration.)

The word translated as "generation" in Genesis 15:16 that has the embedded Hebrew Root Word H:1755 within it, is the same Hebrew Root Word that is embedded in in Jeremaih 50:39: - דּ֥וֹר (dō·wr) וָדֽוֹר (wā·ḏō·wr). Also in this verse we also have the Hebrew Root Word H:5331 which has the meaning of in Strong as : -



In other words this Hebrew Root Word has a finite meaning/duration and as such we should be able to find the finite duration within the context of the verse and that is found in the Hebrew words : - דּ֥וֹר (dō·wr) וָדֽוֹר (wā·ḏō·wr) which should be translated as "an age plus/and an age" or more commonly expressed as simply two ages.

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Now the translators have latched upon the words at the start of the verse where we are told that Babylon would be devastated and made desolate and assumed that this was an infinite outcome and so has translated this as many generation instead of for two generation/ages.

I trust that this explanation helps.

Shalom

 

[Jay Ross]

Jay, it will be a global earthquake.

18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.

Goodbye

 

[BlessedPeace]

Imagine Hebrew roots and words being used in Old Testament translations. Shock! Dad must be on hiatus.