The social gospel?

[Eternally Grateful]

You should be saying "look at US right now" not just a fallen state like the US. Pushing the spiritual poverty problem onto the outside society is a ploy that washes one's hands of the responsibility for being a light to the world.

So spoiled? The false gospel caters to the flesh.

Emotional poverty? Watch your reaction.

I would be pointing the finger to you then

You leave people on spiritual poverty. It’s all about you. The United States is walking right down your path it’s all about us.

 

[marks]

All of that sounds reasonable and logical, but we have many scriptures which describe mankind as being born dead in trespasses and sins. A

And yet, Jesus said, Come to me, all you who are weary, and I for one think that He meant that.

Much love!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I am like a voice crying in the wilderness..against all the smug self-righteousness that has been a result of a deviated anemic gospel that fills the pews...but not heaven.

How can you possibly speak against self righteousness when it is the base root of everything you teach

You no different really than the rest of the worlds religions. It’s all about us. Do good deeds be holy and God will let you in

The fact that we are all guilty and have to be saved means nothing to you that’s why you attack grace so much. Because it forces you to see your sin. And legalists do not like that. Because if they had to look at their sin and stop denying it. They would be horrified

But that’s a good thing. That’s what leads us to Christ. Will you join us?

 

[GTW27]

Yeh John, will you join us? You have said a voice spoke to you to learn Hebrew. And you have done so. Have you not considered that The Holy Spirit knows all languages? Why would He do that? I think it is pretty neat to truly have no ill will toward any one and to be able to forgive others as we have been forgiven. To truly walk clean before The Lord. Do you think you are walking clean before The Lord?

 

[Episkopos]

How can you possibly speak against self righteousness when it is the base root of everything you teach

False. You are naming and claiming a righteousness for yourself that you read about in the bible. Who imputes it? You do.

You no different really than the rest of the worlds religions. It’s all about us.

That's exactly my point. Believe this or that and be saved??? God has no say in it...at least not in reality.

Do good deeds be holy and God will let you in

Two different standards...neither of which you understand.

The fact that we are all guilty and have to be saved means nothing to you that’s why you attack grace so much.

I uphold grace and deny a general amnesty to sin and have no consequences. I advocate a responsibility for one's actions. The Holy Spirit makes us MORE accountable, not less so.

Because it forces you to see your sin. And legalists do not like that.

You promote the scheme that covers up sin. Legalism? By what measure do you think you can get away with sin and call that grace?

Because if they had to look at their sin and stop denying it. They would be horrified

But that’s a good thing. That’s what leads us to Christ.

Your theory here is sound...but now put that into practice.

Will you join us?

No...I departed from religious certainty many years ago...if I ever actually believed that kind of scheme.

 

[Episkopos]

Yeh John, will you join us? You have said a voice spoke to you to learn Hebrew. And you have done so. Have you not considered that The Holy Spirit knows all languages? Why would He do that?

You have to see the difference between what God knows (all) and what we know (little). Do you see that?

I think it is pretty neat to truly have no ill will toward any one and to be able to forgive others as we have been forgiven.

Neat? What about being obedient? Or does that sound too much like works to you? It is for some here.

To truly walk clean before The Lord.

Amen. We are called to be holy as God is holy....by entering into Christ, who is our holiness.

Do you think you are walking clean before The Lord?

Your motives for asking aside. It's a good question. I'm not living in any known sin. However, to walk in the lower walk means that there could be sins...and there must be some...that I'm unaware of.

In the NT there are people who are declared blameless before God while still under the law. You can do your own study on that.

Am I blameless before the Lord? I can't say as God judges these things ....not I, or any person. I am against religious certainty as it kills faith. Anybody can be indoctrinated by another man...like we see here. Through hypnosis and propaganda. How does the amazing Kreskin do it? Same as many preachers.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

False.

Whatever

You are naming and claiming a righteousness for yourself that you read about in the bible.

I am just taking God at his word.

I was dead
I have been made alive
I Was imputed or given the righteousness of God as Abraham was, because like Abraham, I believed God. When will you?

Who imputes it?

God does. Who else would be able to do it? Only a judge can impute or declair a person innocent.

You do.

Unlike you I deny I have that kind of power

That's exactly my point. Believe this or that and be saved??? God has no say in it...at least not in reality.

God has everything to say in it

He said in him, not in self.

Two different standards...neither of which you understand.

Well as usually, you make a false claim with no evidence or proof

I uphold grace

No you don’t you mix grace and works. That not grace my friend

and deny a general amnesty to sin and have no consequences. I advocate a responsibility for one's actions.

I am responsible for my actions. I deserve hell. And I will always deserve hell.

Thats where you and I differ.You think you deserve heaven.

Well good luck with that

The Holy Spirit makes us MORE accountable, not less so.

Yep. He does. I never said otherwise.

You promote the scheme that covers up sin. Legalism?

Yet you are covering your own sin. And denying it

By what measure do you think you can get away with sin and call that grace?

By what measure do you thin you can get away with sin and earn your way to heaven?

Your theory here is sound...but now put that into practice.

I did 40 years ago
when will you

No...I departed from religious certainty many years ago...

You are decieved, Your still thoroughly engrossed in the religious mentality

 

[Episkopos]

I am just taking God at his word.

You are reading a bible. Did Abraham just read a bible before God justified him? Or was there a real contact/encounter? Did Abraham walk away AFTER being justified by God thinking that he was justified? Of course not. And God seeing him as righteous as Himself? Even more preposterous.

I was dead
I have been made alive
I Was imputed or given the righteousness of God as Abraham was, because like Abraham, I believed God. When will you?

Even Abraham was not imputed with a righteousness that wasn't his own. How do you figure you were? Because you misread the bible?

God does. Who else would be able to do it? Only a judge can impute or declair a person innocent.

Yet you have jumped the gun so to speak and declared yourself a winner while the race is just getting started

Unlike you I deny I have that kind of power

Over sin? In Christ there is no sin. Grace overcomes sin or it isn't any kind of grace from God.

God has everything to say in it

He said in him, not in self.

Who said it and to whom. Again your testimony is that you read a bible. And what happened? You decided that you fit the bill.

Well as usually, you make a false claim with no evidence or proof

That's what I'm trying to explain to you about what you did.

No you don’t you mix grace and works. That not grace my friend

That's you own hobby-horse...a tricky way to avoid evidence of salvation. Make it more obscure...it only fools you. Why not be honest?

I am responsible for my actions. I deserve hell. And I will always deserve hell.

Well, there you have it. You are judging yourself here too. Maybe with a little more reality...but certainly without faith. "Always" ...do you plan our your sins for the day? You are condemning yourself because you behave poorly, but then you justify yourself for believing properly.... as you continue to behave poorly.

Thats where you and I differ.You think you deserve heaven.

What? In your own pretend world. I don't deserve anything. God judges me. No man...not myself.

By what measure do you thin you can get away with sin and earn your way to heaven?

I did 40 years ago
when will you

You accepted a scheme that you think grants you amnesty/immunity from prosecution for sin. Admit it.

You are decieved, Your still thoroughly engrossed in the religious mentality

That's your mind-palace not mine.

 

[Episkopos]

I have to put up with a lot of hubris here...but I have a genuine concern for the eternal state of people. Why not allow oneself to be examined and corrected now...before the judgment. Why not make your calling and election sure?

Hiding behind vague declarations? Accepting doctrines that have for a purpose except to satisfy the flesh?

Why not investigate with honesty and a surrendered devotion to God to find out the truth...at the level that sets you free?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You are reading a bible. Did Abraham just read a bible before God justified him? Or was there a real contact/encounter? Did Abraham walk away AFTER being justified by God thinking that he was justified? Of course not. And God seeing him as righteous as Himself? Even more preposterous.

So God spent all this time giving me th ebible. Just so I can leave it on a shelf and ignore it

God said abraham was justified declaired righteous. I take God at his word..

Even Abraham was not imputed with a righteousness that wasn't his own. How do you figure you were? Because you misread the bible?

Abraham was imputed a righteounsess that was not his own.

You think abraham was such an upstanding citizen? If you think that, You need to woe some of that dust off your bible

Yet you have jumped the gun so to speak and declared yourself a winner while the race is just getting started

Nope,

I am nt a winner, God is the winner. I am just riding on his victory.

Over sin? In Christ there is no sin.

If you say you have no sin you are decieved.

Grace overcomes sin or it isn't any kind of grace from God.

Grace is required because we still sin. You do not even know what Grace is, Like so many people. You take biblical words which have real meaning and give them an understanding that is contrary to what they mean.

Who said it and to whom. Again your testimony is that you read a bible. And what happened? You decided that you fit the bill.

God said it, and I believe him

Your testimony is Godsaved you and gave you victory to walk as he did. Yet you state you only did it what twice?

your testimony is an act against you

That's what I'm trying to explain to you about what you did.

Again, it was what you said, with no proof.
who cares what you think? Who cares what I think?

if your going to make an accusation, back it with the words of God

That's you own hobby-horse...a tricky way to avoid evidence of salvation. Make it more obscure...it only fools you. Why not be honest?

lol. I preach grace. You preac h grace plus works. But I am avoiding the truth

I am honest, when will you be?

Well, there you have it. You are judging yourself here too.

I am just stating a fact. A fact sadly I do not think you understand

Maybe with a little more reality...but certainly without faith. "Always" ...do you plan our your sins for the day? You are condemning yourself because you behave poorly, but then you justify yourself for believing properly.... as you continue to behave poorly.

lol.

I admit my sin and confess them, and confess because of that sin I am unworthy You deny you even have any sin.. and even if you acknowledge sin, you think you are worthy.

who is looking to self here?

What? In your own pretend world. I don't deserve anything. God judges me. No man...not myself.

You judge yourself worthy. Thats will we need to know

You accepted a scheme that you think grants you amnesty/immunity from prosecution for sin. Admit it.

Your the one who thinks you will get away with sin, not me

You think you can pay your own sin debt, You reject the redemption based on Christs blood

Good luck with that

That's your mind-palace not mine.

I look to God. You look to self

Come on admit it, Are you that decieved you can not see where your focus is?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I have to put up with a lot of hubris here...

You put up with a lot of people trying to show you the truth, and calling out your self righteous religious attitude.

but I have a genuine concern for the eternal state of people.

No you do not. If you did, you would share the tru living gospel with them, and point them to God not to themselves

Why not allow oneself to be examined and corrected now...before the judgment. Why not make your calling and election sure?

Why don’t you?

Hiding behind vague declarations? Accepting doctrines that have for a purpose except to satisfy the flesh?

Like your doctrines?

Why not investigate with honesty and a surrendered devotion to God to find out the truth...at the level that sets you free?

When will you surrender to God and stop surrendering to self?

 

[Episkopos]

So God spent all this time giving me th ebible. Just so I can leave it on a shelf and ignore it

No, read it and obey Jesus...ask, seek, and knock....seek first for the kingdom... seek God and live!

God said abraham was justified declaired righteous. I take God at his word..

He was, yes...but he fails to mention you, even once.

Abraham was imputed a righteounsess that was not his own.

false. He was imputed righteousness because in God's eyes his faith merited that. same for the Publican. same for the thief on the cross.

You think abraham was such an upstanding citizen? If you think that, You need to woe some of that dust off your bible

You don't understand righteousness.

Nope,

I am nt a winner, God is the winner. I am just riding on his victory.

Exploiting you mean...or trying to.

If you say you have no sin you are decieved.

In Christ is no sin. If you think there is then you are deceived. In Him is no sin.

Grace is required because we still sin.

Grace is the power over sin.

You do not even know what Grace is, Like so many people. You take biblical words which have real meaning and give them an understanding that is contrary to what they mean.

What you are doing...

God said it, and I believe him

He didn't say it to you...

Your testimony is Godsaved you and gave you victory to walk as he did. Yet you state you only did it what twice?

your testimony is an act against you

So you neither understand righteousness nor holiness.

Again, it was what you said, with no proof.
who cares what you think? Who cares what I think?

if your going to make an accusation, back it with the words of God

Do you mean the ones you conveniently ignore?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Blessings VictoryinJesus. I read you words today and I commend you for standing firm in your beliefs." Let no man steal your joy."

Just realized…I never said thank you.

 

[Lizbeth]

One does not go to a discussion board and say...I was saved by grace through faith. Anybody can read that out of a bible. How does one know that? Religious certainty? Indoctrination? It is finished?

The vagueness of these religious slogans doesn't help but hinders others. It is self-justification. And it encourages imagination and speculations. The enemy is there...in the vagueness...to plant ideas in the mind. Our mind-palaces can become mind-fields.

The race for most, it would seem, is to find the starting line.

Religious slogans? What about those who just ignore scriptures and stick with their religious script even when God's word clearly contradicts it?

We overcome by the blood of the Lamb and the word of our testimony. His Spirit witnesses to our spirit that we are children of God. We have received the spirit of adoption and cry Abba Father. He pulled us out of the mire of sin and set our feet upon a rock to walk in a new direction. That is the starting line. But it is not finished until it is finished......until then we undergo the "proving of our faith" and we need to endure to the end.

 

[Lizbeth]

Way to deviate the responsibility back onto the "heathen" society and wash your hands of any responsibility for the state of the world.

Just ONE saint can displace a LOT of evil in a place. But a little leaven leavens the whole batch.

I'm not talking about society, I'm talking about the church here. Where do you get that I wash my hands of responsibility? And your followers just keep liking your accusations. Do they ever think for themselves?

Yes I know.....believers make a difference where they are.

 

[marks]

Where do you get that I wash my hands of responsibility?

Do you think he is being sincere in his accusations? I've not seen anything in you to elicit such a reaction, and I consider it suspect. FWIW.

Much love!

 

[GTW27]

I have to put up with a lot of hubris here...but I have a genuine concern for the eternal state of people. Why not allow oneself to be examined and corrected now...before the judgment. Why not make your calling and election sure?

Hiding behind vague declarations? Accepting doctrines that have for a purpose except to satisfy the flesh?

Why not investigate with honesty and a surrendered devotion to God to find out the truth...at the level that sets you free?

Blessings John. You notice I call you John and not Episkopos. That would be lie to call you that as you are not a Episkopos. You seem to have some delusion that God has called you to some high office when He has not. I have seen that from the beginning, from my very first post. You had a thread about the sower. And you gave your teaching on it. Well you did not know The Lord(Jesus) told me to put His very own words of explanation to His disciples the meaning of the parable of the sower. And one person came forward and liked the post, but not you. And why is that? Are your teachings more important than Jesus's own words? Jesus said, you will know them by their fruit. I came and gave you a few warnings, and this was not of myself. But instead you continue treating people this way. Well I am here to tell you today The Lord has every idle word you have spoken against His Sons and His Daughters. Perhaps you will try to say to Him, but I was just the mirror. Here is my intent, to bring this to you that you might repent, that you might turn from this abuse of others and be taught the ways of God. How to love and not abuse, how to lift up and not put down. How to esteem others as more important than oneself. Is that not the example Jesus left us on The Cross. So there it is. You can laugh, you can mock, you can be clever, or you can turn and live. For The Power of life and death is in the tongue.

 

[Episkopos]

Blessings John. You notice I call you John and not Episkopos. That would be lie to call you that as you are not a Episkopos. You seem to have some delusion that God has called you to some high office when He has not. I have seen that from the beginning, from my very first post. You had a thread about the sower. And you gave your teaching on it. Well you did not know The Lord(Jesus) told me to put His very own words of explanation to His disciples the meaning of the parable of the sower. And one person came forward and liked the post, but not you. And why is that? Are your teachings more important than Jesus's own words? Jesus said, you will know them by their fruit. I came and gave you a few warnings, and this was not of myself. But instead you continue treating people this way. Well I am here to tell you today The Lord has every idle word you have spoken against His Sons and His Daughters. Perhaps you will try to say to Him, but I was just the mirror. Here is my intent, to bring this to you that you might repent, that you might turn from this abuse of others and be taught the ways of God. How to love and not abuse, how to lift up and not put down. How to esteem others as more important than oneself. Is that not the example Jesus left us on The Cross. So there it is. You can laugh, you can mock, you can be clever, or you can turn and live. For The Power of life and death is in the tongue.

You are proud and deluded. Putting on an act...you don't know what truth and reality are.

I'm not playing a game. You can fool pretenders perhaps...

 

[GTW27]

You are proud and deluded. Putting on an act...you don't know what truth and reality are.

I'm not playing a game. You can fool pretenders perhaps...

Then so be it!

 

[Episkopos]

I'm not talking about society, I'm talking about the church here. Where do you get that I wash my hands of responsibility? And your followers just keep liking your accusations. Do they ever think for themselves?

If someone misunderstands you and you don't correct them because you seem to want people to accept you...then what part of that is taking responsibility. A poster here likened your statement to the US as a society...after I was speaking about the church ...as a deviation from what I said.....and you're fine with that. It is deviation from the responsibility of the church. You miss these things? or you want to miss them?

This is exactly the kind of vagueness that brings the lies.

But I know you have the warnings going to unbelievers outside the church thereby deviating any responsibility from the members of the church. And all this to get along with people...without the truth.

It follows a decoy gospel that brings immunity from prosecution for sins for those who adopt it. No one is responsible anymore.