The six things of Daniel 9:24

[Zao is life]

In what first vision ?

Hard to get answers from you. The vision that Gabriel first appeared to Daniel was in Daniel 8 about the vision of the time of the end little horn and the 2300 days of the little horn's activities of stopping the daily sacrifice and committing the transgression of desolation - which the 70th week would therefore be still future, as that vision has not been fulfilled.

Nonsense. It was Antiochus IV Epihphanes who took away the daily sacrifice in 168 BC, fulfilling that prophecy, and the trouble lasted 2,300 evenings and mornings.

 

[CTK]

Nonsense. It was Antiochus IV Epihphanes who took away the daily sacrifice in 168 BC, fulfilling that prophecy, and the trouble lasted 2,300 evenings and mornings.

Zoa, I know we do not agree on the 4th beast kingdom, but have you ever considered that it was the Messiah as the Passover Lamb of God, the perfect sacrifice was the One who done away with the daily sacerifice and offerings? After the cross, there was no further need for animal sacrifices, offerings and the Temple, the Sanctuary and the 4 Spring feast days were fulfilled by the Messiah.

The Temple, Sanctuary, the holy vessels, and the holy feast days were a type and shadow of the things to come... that being the coming of the Messiah when He would fufill them and they were no longer needed.....

 

[Douggg]

Nonsense. It was Antiochus IV Epihphanes who took away the daily sacrifice in 168 BC, fulfilling that prophecy, and the trouble lasted 2,300 evenings and mornings.

Antiochus was not time of the end. Antiochus did not commit the transgression of desolation.

The little horn person is also in Daniel 7. The time, times, half time of wearing down the saints in Daniel 7:25 corresponds to the time, times, half time of scattering the power of the holy people in Daniel 12:7. To happen at the time of the end, Daniel 12:9.

Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Daniel 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

 

[TribulationSigns]

The little horn person is also in Daniel 7.

There will be no "little horn person." The Scripture already said that the horns signify POWER so God is talking about a power for a short time Satan will have after he is loosened from bottomless pit.

Daniel 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

First, do you know what power the holy people have? Can you show us in Scripture where it tells us WHAT POWER the holy people have. And who are the holy people exactly?

 

[Douggg]

First, do you know what power the holy people have? Can you show us in Scripture where it tells us WHAT POWER the holy people have. And who are the holy people exactly?

Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

It is referring to Daniel's people the Jews. There power of the Jews to defend the nation of Israel from evil military action.

 

[Keraz]

Paul was not saying that Gentile believers combined with Jewish believers were the Israel of God.

And Paul stated... Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

But he was, and in your next sentence you contradict yourself.
There is only one people of God.

I can easily see why those with the rapture to heaven belief must have 2 separate peoples, so they can sit in heaven while the Jews pass thru tribulation. All a hopelessly wrong and unscriptural fable.

Also; your idea that the covenant in Daniel 9:27, is the Mt Sinai Covenant. It is not and cannot be, its just a pact, or a league as the REB renders it.
The Lord is not a participant, as that verse makes quite clear.

 

[Zao is life]

Antiochus was not time of the end. Antiochus did not commit the transgression of desolation.

The little horn person is also in Daniel 7. The time, times, half time of wearing down the saints in Daniel 7:25 corresponds to the time, times, half time of scattering the power of the holy people in Daniel 12:7. To happen at the time of the end, Daniel 12:9.

Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Daniel 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

The first time became the type of the last time. Two overlapping circles. One circle = 2nd century BC. The other circle = return of Christ. Daniel 12:7 overlaps with Revelation 10:4-7.

The 1,290 and 1,335 days mentioned in Daniel 12:11-12 are linked to (a) the taking away of daily sacrifices for sin by an Antichrist figure; and (b) the appearance of an abomination of desolation in the holy place, but any reintroduction of (or the 1st century continuation of) daily sacrifices for sin in a man-made temple following the death and resurrection of Christ (He who is God's own once-for-all sacrifice for sins), should be considered the actions of antichrists which any future Antichrist would hardly want to stamp out.

Daniel 7:25
(regarding the 4th 'beast')

And he shall speak words against the Most High, and shall wear out the saints of the Most High, and plot to change times and laws. And they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and one-half time.

The beast of Revelation 13:2-7
And the beast which I saw was like a leopard, and its feet like those of a bear, and its mouth like the mouth of a lion. And the dragon gave him its power and its seat and great authority. And I saw one of its heads as having been slain to death, and its deadly wound was healed. And all the earth marveled after the beast.

And a mouth speaking great things was given to it, and blasphemies. And authority was given to it to continue forty-two months.

And it opened its mouth in blasphemy toward God, to blaspheme His name and His tabernacle, and those dwelling in Heaven.

And it was given to it to war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given to it over every tribe and tongue and nation.

Type
Antiochus IV, "Epiphanes"

Daniel 11
36 And the king shall do according to his will. And he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvelous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper until the fury is fulfilled. For that which is decreed shall be done.

37 He will not regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god. For he shall magnify himself above all.

Anti-type
The man of sin

2 Thessalonians 2
3 Let not anyone deceive you by any means. For that Day shall not come unless there first comes a falling away, and the man of sin shall be revealed, the son of perdition, *

4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, setting himself forth, that he is God.

Type: Antiochus IV ("Antichrist" figure) ← 4th beast → Anti-type: Man of sin ("Antichrist")

Daniel 8:11; Daniel 11:31; Daniel 12:11 ← 4th beast → Matthew 24:15; 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4; Revelation 13:2; Revelation 17:8, 11; Revelation 13:11-18.

4th beast

Daniel 11:36-37 ↔ Daniel 7:25 ↔ Revelation 13:5-7

Daniel 12:7 ↔ Revelation 10:5-7

In Daniel Chapter 12, the final 3.5 years is mentioned. In Revelation Chapter 10 the final 3.5 years has now passed, and the 7th trumpet is about to sound.

PROPHECY FULFILLED / NOT FULFILLED

Daniel 7:26-27
"But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his rulership (done by the Maccabees), to cut off and to destroy until the end. And the kingdom and rulership, and the greatness of the kingdom under all the heavens, shall be given to the people of the saints of the Most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom."

(The kingdom of God in Judea was given to the saints of the Most High after Antiochus IV was ousted)

"And all kingdoms shall serve and obey Him." - still not fulfilled in the way described.

The scattering of the power of the holy people and only the wise understanding applied just as much to the faithful Jewish remnant during the days of Antiochus IV (the type) as it will (still future tense) to the faithful remnant in Christ (the antitype).

Daniel 12
"And at that time Michael shall stand up, the great ruler who stands for the sons of your people" (God helping the Maccabees, and God helping the saints when Christ returns in judgment of the beast).

"And there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation; until that time" (indeed the time of Antiochus IV was such a time, and the end of the Age before the return of Christ will be such a time - Matthew 24:21).

"And at that time your people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book" (the faithful Jewish remnant were delivered from the hand of Antiochus IV, and the faithful saints will be delivered when Jesus returns).

The verse below is also true of the time of Antiochus IV, and will be true at the end of the Age before the return of Jesus:

"And those who are wise shall shine as the brightness of the sky; and those who turn many to righteousness shall shine as the stars forever and ever."

8-9 And I heard, but I did not understand. Then I said, O my lord, what shall be the end of these things? And He said, Go, Daniel! For the words are closed up and sealed until the end-time.

10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried. But the wicked shall do wickedly. And none of the wicked shall understand, but the wise shall understand. (happened during the time of Antiochus IV also).

- but the verse below was not fulfilled when Antiochus IV was defeated by the Maccabees:

2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

It's projecting forward in time to the final kingdom of the beast of the Revelation, and vice-versa, making the beast that existed in the latter days of the Greek kingdoms a type of the final kingdom:

Revelation 17:8
"The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to ascend out of the abyss and go into perdition. And those dwelling on the earth will marvel, those whose names were not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is."

 

[Zao is life]

Zoa, I know we do not agree on the 4th beast kingdom, but have you ever considered that it was the Messiah as the Passover Lamb of God, the perfect sacrifice was the One who done away with the daily sacerifice and offerings? After the cross, there was no further need for animal sacrifices, offerings and the Temple, the Sanctuary and the 4 Spring feast days were fulfilled by the Messiah.

The Temple, Sanctuary, the holy vessels, and the holy feast days were a type and shadow of the things to come... that being the coming of the Messiah when He would fufill them and they were no longer needed.....

The prophecy regarding the Messiah's is associated with the destruction of both city and sanctuary (Daniel 9:26-27).

The daily sacrifice being taken away is not. After the abomination was removed, the temple was cleansed and re-dedicated to God. Neither the city nor the sanctuary were destroyed.

The Abomination of Desolation in the Holy Place in Matthew 24:15 has nothing to do with 70 AD and the abominations that are associated with the destruction of the city and the sanctuary in Daniel 9:26-27.

Nor is it the holy place in a man-made 2nd temple or "3rd temple" being spoken about in Matthew 24:15, but the New Testament Temple.

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"'Abomination of Desolation' is a phrase from the Book of Daniel describing the pagan sacrifices with which the 2nd century BC Greek king Antiochus IV Epiphanes replaced the twice-daily offering in the Jewish temple, or alternatively the altar on which such offerings were made."
(Abomination of desolation - Wikipedia)

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There are no daily sacrifices to be removed. The former defilement of the holy place is the type of the last.
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ἱερόν hierón (hee-er-on'):
[Strongs Greek Dictionary] 02411 (English: Temple):​

neuter of 2413; a sacred place, i.e. the entire precincts, whereas 3485 [naós] denotes the central sanctuary itself (of the Temple in Jerusalem, or elsewhere).

When Paul wrote his letters to the churches at Corinth, Ephesus and Thessaloniki, he used the word hierón in reference to the temple in Jerusalem, which at the time of Paul's writing, was still standing (1 Corinthians 9:13), but he consistently used the word naós when speaking about the bodies of individual Christians, and the congregations of Christians as the tabernacle (temple) of God (1 Corinthians 3:16-17 & 1 Corinthians 6:19; 2 Corinthians 6:16; and Ephesians 2:21-22).

Therefore when writing about the man of sin seating himself up in the sanctuary of God (2 Thessalonians 2:4), there is no reason why Paul would not use the word hierón if he was referring to a physical temple made with (human) hands - but he did not - Paul used the word naós in 2 Thessalonians 2:4.

The last time that the New Testament uses the word naós (referring to the actual sanctuary in any temple) in reference to the 2nd temple in Jerusalem, is in the verses in the Gospels which tell about the tearing of the veil between that holy place / holy of holies, which occurred when Jesus died on the cross (Matthew 27:51; Mark 15:38; Luke 23:45).

After the verses talking about the tearing of the veil in the temple, the first time the word naos is used again, is in Acts:

Acts 7:48a
But, the Most High does not dwell in a temple sanctuary (Greek: naos) made with (human) hands.

Acts 17:24
The God who made the world and all things in it, since He is Lord of Heaven and earth, does not dwell in temple sanctuaries (Greek naos) made with (human) hands.

-- the church & the temple in heaven --
(word used: naós)

1 Corinthians 3:16-17 & 1 Corinthians 6:19; 2 Corinthians 6:16; Ephesians 2:21:21; 2 Thessalonians 2:4; Revelation 3:12; Revelation 7:15; Revelation 11:1-2; Revelation 11:19; Revelation 14:15 & Revelation 14:17; Revelation 15:5-6 & Revelation 15:8; Revelation 16:1 & Revelation 16:17; Revelation 21:22

 

[CTK]

The prophecy regarding the Messiah's is associated with the destruction of both city and sanctuary (Daniel 9:26-27).

The daily sacrifice being taken away is not. After the abomination was removed, the temple was cleansed and re-dedicated to God. Neither the city nor the sanctuary were destroyed.

The Abomination of Desolation in the Holy Place in Matthew 24:15 has nothing to do with 70 AD and the abominations that are associated with the destruction of the city and the sanctuary in Daniel 9:26-27.

Nor is it the holy place in a man-made 2nd temple or "3rd temple" being spoken about in Matthew 24:15, but the New Testament Temple.

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"'Abomination of Desolation' is a phrase from the Book of Daniel describing the pagan sacrifices with which the 2nd century BC Greek king Antiochus IV Epiphanes replaced the twice-daily offering in the Jewish temple, or alternatively the altar on which such offerings were made."
(Abomination of desolation - Wikipedia)

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Thanks for your thoughts!

 

[Zao is life]

Thanks for your thoughts!

I added this information to that post:

There are no daily sacrifices to be removed. The former defilement of the holy place is the type of the last.

ἱερόν hierón (hee-er-on'):
[Strongs Greek Dictionary] 02411 (English: Temple):​

neuter of 2413; a sacred place, i.e. the entire precincts, whereas 3485 [naós] denotes the central sanctuary itself (of the Temple in Jerusalem, or elsewhere).

When Paul wrote his letters to the churches at Corinth, Ephesus and Thessaloniki, he used the word hierón in reference to the temple in Jerusalem, which at the time of Paul's writing, was still standing (1 Corinthians 9:13), but he consistently used the word naós when speaking about the bodies of individual Christians, and the congregations of Christians as the tabernacle (temple) of God (1 Corinthians 3:16-17 & 1 Corinthians 6:19; 2 Corinthians 6:16; and Ephesians 2:21-22).

Therefore when writing about the man of sin seating himself up in the sanctuary of God (2 Thessalonians 2:4), there is no reason why Paul would not use the word hierón if he was referring to a physical temple made with (human) hands - but he did not - Paul used the word naós in 2 Thessalonians 2:4.

The last time that the New Testament uses the word naós (referring to the actual sanctuary in any temple) in reference to the 2nd temple in Jerusalem, is in the verses in the Gospels which tell about the tearing of the veil between that holy place / holy of holies, which occurred when Jesus died on the cross (Matthew 27:51; Mark 15:38; Luke 23:45).

After the verses talking about the tearing of the veil in the temple, the first time the word naos is used again, is in Acts:

Acts 7:48a
But, the Most High does not dwell in a temple sanctuary (Greek: naos) made with (human) hands.

Acts 17:24
The God who made the world and all things in it, since He is Lord of Heaven and earth, does not dwell in temple sanctuaries (Greek naos) made with (human) hands.

-- the church & the temple in heaven --
(word used: naós)

1 Corinthians 3:16-17 & 1 Corinthians 6:19; 2 Corinthians 6:16; Ephesians 2:21:21; 2 Thessalonians 2:4; Revelation 3:12; Revelation 7:15; Revelation 11:1-2; Revelation 11:19; Revelation 14:15 & Revelation 14:17; Revelation 15:5-6 & Revelation 15:8; Revelation 16:1 & Revelation 16:17; Revelation 21:22

 

[TribulationSigns]

Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

It is referring to Daniel's people the Jews. There power of the Jews to defend the nation of Israel from evil military action.

That is not the answer. The people being delivered is not the power. You need to know what power was it that they recieved in the first place before it is broken or taken away.

 

[Douggg]

Daniel 7:25
(regarding the 4th 'beast')

And he shall speak words against the Most High, and shall wear out the saints of the Most High, and plot to change times and laws. And they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and one-half time.

The beast of Revelation 13:2-7
And the beast which I saw was like a leopard, and its feet like those of a bear, and its mouth like the mouth of a lion. And the dragon gave him its power and its seat and great authority. And I saw one of its heads as having been slain to death, and its deadly wound was healed. And all the earth marveled after the beast.

And a mouth speaking great things was given to it, and blasphemies. And authority was given to it to continue forty-two months.

And it opened its mouth in blasphemy toward God, to blaspheme His name and His tabernacle, and those dwelling in Heaven.

And it was given to it to war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given to it over every tribe and tongue and nation.

Type
Antiochus IV, "Epiphanes"

No, Antiochus IV himself is not a "Type" of the beast king of Revelation 13. The abomination of desolation that Antiochus IV committed though prefigured what the time of the end abomination of desolation in Daniel 12:11-12 will be like.

Anitochus IV was not a "Type" of the Antichrist either. The Antichrist must be a Jew.

Daniel 11-12 can broke down into 2 distinct sections.

Daniel 11:1-34 - historic (to us) events.
Daniel 11:35 - a transition verse to the time of the end
Daniel 11:36 thru Daniel 12:13 - time of the end events.

Daniel 11:36 picks up with the person as the beast-king
Daniel 11:37 indicates the person will be a Jew.

Daniel 11:36-37 ↔ Daniel 7:25 ↔ Revelation 13:5-7

You actually got that part right as far as being coinciding verses of the second half of the 70th week of Daniel 9.

first half of the 70th week
1260 days - Revelation 11:3, Revelation 12:6

second half of the 70th week
42 months - Revelation 11:2, Revelation 13:5
times, times, half time - Revelation 12:14, Daniel 7:25, Daniel 12:7

Daniel 12:7 ↔ Revelation 10:5-7

In Daniel Chapter 12, the final 3.5 years is mentioned. In Revelation Chapter 10 the final 3.5 years has now passed, and the 7th trumpet is about to sound.

Revelation 10:5-7is not saying the second half of the 70th week has passed, but is predicting the second half to begin - in the days of the seventh angel sounding his trumpet. The seventh angel will sound and Satan will be cast down to earth, having but a time, times, half time left - the second half of the the 70th week.

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The vision of the little horn person in Daniel 8 is time of the end. The little horn person is not Antiochus IV. The little horn person will grow into becoming...

the prince that shall come into the middle east, following the Gog/Magog event.

then becoming the Antichrist by being anointed the King of Israel, thought-to-be messiah by the Jews.

then becoming the revealed man of sin, by committing the transgression of desolation act.

then becoming the beast-king of Revelation 13. Of whom, the abomination of desolation statue image will be made.

 

[Douggg]

That is not the answer. The people being delivered is not the power. You need to know what power was it that they recieved in the first place before it is broken or taken away.

I was not saying that the people being delivered is the power of the the holy people being scattered of Daniel 12:7.

7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

Daniel 12:1 identifies who the holy people being talked about in Daniel 12:7 are. The are Daniel's people the Jews.

The power of the holy people in Daniel 12:7 is that the Jews were able to defend Israel against military attacks. But that power will not hold up in the time, times, half time days of the beast-king.

first half of the 70th week
1260 days - Revelation 11:3, Revelation 12:6

second half of the 70th week
42 months - Revelation 11:2, Revelation 13:5
times, times, half time - Revelation 12:14, Daniel 7:25, Daniel 12:7

 

[Douggg]

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In your comparison table, 2Thessalonians2:4 act is not the abomination of desolation, but the transgression of desolation.


The little horn (as the Antichrist) will commit the transgression of desolation act of Daniel 8:13 in 2Thesslaonians2:4, revealing himself to be the man of sin.

The act angers God and in Ezekiel 28:1-10, God has the person assassinated.

The person's soul with then go to hell in Isaiah 14, and mocked there. After a few days, God returns the person's soul back to his body, as part of the mystery of God to bring an end to Satan's evil agenda and to execute judgment on the fallen angels, their powers, and principalities.

Come back to life, the person becomes the beast-king (the mortally wound-but healed head) of Revelation 13. Of whom, the false prophet will have the statue image made of the beast-king and sets it up on the temple mount as the abomination of desolation.

In essence the transgession of desolation and the abomination of desolation are two different things. But the transgression of desolation brings about the abomination of desolation.

the transgression of desolation act >>>>>>>>>months later leads to>>>>>>>>>>> the abomination of desolation statue image.

 

[Zao is life]

In your comparison table, 2Thessalonians2:4 act is not the abomination of desolation, but the transgression of desolation.

There is no difference between the transgression that caused the abomination and the abomination that it caused.

But your post is so full of eschatological scenarios that you believe in which IMO are not scriptural but comprised of a great deal of speculative filling in of dots that are not in the Bible, and then joining the speculatively produced dots with scripture to form eschatological scenario/s that IMO are way off,

and because I know there is no way you will change your mind about any of it, I will rather leave you to keep those dots of yours joined with scripture in the ways you have them joined.

God bless Doug.

 

[Douggg]

There is no difference between the transgression that caused the abomination and the abomination that it caused.

But your post is so full of eschatological scenarios that you believe in which IMO are not scriptural but comprised of a great deal of speculative filling in of dots that are not in the Bible, and then joining the speculatively produced dots with scripture to form eschatological scenario/s that IMO are way off,

and because I know there is no way you will change your mind about any of it, I will rather leave you to keep those dots of yours joined with scripture in the ways you have them joined.

God bless Doug.

In Daniel's prayer in Daniel 9, he confessed that his people "transgressed" the law of Moses given in the Mt Sinai covenant.

Daniel 9:11 Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.

The little horn person (as the Antichrist) will transgress that same said covenant - when in Daniel 18:13, he commits the transgression of desolation - the act of claiming to have achieved God-hood.

Differently, the abomination of desolation will be a thing "set up".

Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Zao, please study it for a while and give it a chance to sink in. God bless Zao.

 

[Douggg]

But he was, and in your next sentence you contradict yourself.
There is only one people of God.

And Paul stated... Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Paul was saying in Christ Jesus is the is no difference between Jew, Greek, male, female..... Paul was not saying that they had become the "Israel of God".

In 2Corinthians5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

 

[IndianaRob]

And Paul stated... Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Paul was saying in Christ Jesus is the is no difference between Jew, Greek, male, female..... Paul was not saying that they had become the "Israel of God".

In 2Corinthians5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Consider this Douggg. The Jewish race IS NOT God’s chosen people. Gods chosen people have always been people who obey God’s voice and keep his covenant.

Exo 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:

 

[Douggg]

Consider this Douggg. The Jewish race IS NOT God’s chosen people. Gods chosen people have always been people who obey God’s voice and keep his covenant.

I think collectively, as Israel, they are considered a chosen nation. They are not, however, a chosen people, individually or otherwise, based on their own merit. But chosen, based on promises that God had made to their forefathers.

Deuteronomy 7:6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

7 The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

8 But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.

 

[Keraz]

Paul was not saying that they had become the "Israel of God".

The Hebrew word 'Israel', literally means an Overcomer for God. In each of the seven Churchs of Revelation 2 to 3, we see there are overcomers. Faithful Christian people, who will have stood firm and trusted the Lord thru whatever happens.

Who is the nation of Israel to whom God makes a promise in Jeremiah 31? Jesus gives us a very clear indication in the parable of the landowner:
Matthew 21:43 Therefore I say unto you, the kingdom of God shall be taken from you and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

We do not have to look too far to discover which nation, people group that is: it is the church, the church of Jesus Christ, made up of believing Jews and Gentiles, who are the seed of Abraham, the children of God, the real Israelites of the New Testament.
I Peter 2:9-10 writes to the church in these words: But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people ... which in times past were not a people, but are now the people of God.

Holy nation is the name given to Israel in Exodus 19:5-6. Peter now applies it to the church! The church is the holy nation, and since the church will never be destroyed, it is in her and not in the modern Jewish State of Israel, that the new Covenant of Jeremiah 31:31-34 is to be fulfilled. Titus 2:14 is also instructive: to the churches in Crete Paul attributes the title "peculiar people," a name taken from Exodus 19:5.

One more thing must be noticed in Jeremiah 31:31-34 The promise of the new Covenant is made to the house of Judah and the house of Israel. In this covenant with the house of Israel God will: put His law in their inward parts and write it in their hearts and will be their God and they shall be His people ... Moreover, God promises to the same house of Israel: I will forgive their iniquity and I will remember their sin no more. How is this new covenant promise fulfilled, and to whom? The answer is found in Hebrews 8:6-13. This Covenant cannot be with the House of Israel as a separate entity from the Christian Church.
The church of Christ, which enjoys the knowledge of God and forgiveness of sins, is the house of Israel.


Are there, then, no promises to the political entity of the State of Israel? The answer is an unequivocal NO. Excepting for the ones about their Judgment.

Will Israel as a political entity ever rebuild her temple and worship God as she did in the Old Testament? That is impossible under today’s conditions, but even if they did build a temple in Jerusalem and institute a priesthood, offer sacrifices and celebrate the feasts, it will be just another sign of Jewish apostasy from God. If the sacrifices of the wicked were abominable to God in the Old Testament, Proverbs 15:8, 21:27, how much more abominable would the recommencing of animal sacrifices by apostate Jewish Israel be in the future?

All the promises of God are in Christ. 2 Cor. 1:20 All the promises of God were made to Christ, as the Seed of Abraham. Galatians 3:14-16 Therefore, there can be no promise of any kind for any unbeliever outside of Jesus Christ.

The calling of the Jew, as the calling of the Gentile, is to repent and believe in Jesus Christ and join the church of Jew and Gentile, male and female, bond and free, where there is no difference, and as many as walk according to this rule, peace be upon them and mercy!" For they are the [Christian] Israel of God! Galatians 3:26-29