The Seperation of the Sheep & Goats - Matthew 25:31-46

[Ronald David Bruno]

Dual nature is not taught in the Bible - Christ was fully man. Paul states in every respect or in all things human! Hebrews 2:14-17

97 % of 2.65 billion Christians believe that He is fully God too! And that my friend is taught in the Bible.

 

[face2face]

97 % of 2.65 billion Christians believe that He is fully God too! And that my friend is taught in the Bible.

% and Numbers mean nothing Ron...truth will prevail and its whether you are prepared to accept it when its shown to you. For the Jews it will be the nail marks in his hands still visible in his glorified state Zechariah 12:10 for the Christian it will be revealing the true nature of the Son of Man. Much to learn!

 

[Davy]

We only differ slightly Davy on point 1. because you ignore the Kingdom of Israel, as being the foundation for the Kingdom of God on Earth and the language used of Israel as being the first Heavens and Earth!

I've never ignored God's establishing of the kingdom of Israel, so you failed miserably even in trying to make up that LIE to try and slap me with.

As for YOUR silly allegory about Israel being the "first Heavens and Earth" idea, that is either some weird idea YOU came up with, or just ignorance your teachers taught you, which sounds like a bunch of Gnostic false teaching.

The FIRST earth world age that Apostle Peter pointed to in 2 Peter 3 is NOT this present world age. It was a world of old BEFORE Satan rebelled against God. It was not a time of man in the flesh. Apparently, you don't know about that time which God showed about per a parable in Ezekiel 28 and Ezekiel 31 about Satan when he was once perfect in his ways. The kingdom of Israel DID NOT YET EXIST BACK THEN.

 

[Davy]

97 % of 2.65 billion Christians believe that He is fully God too! And that my friend is taught in the Bible.

And The Bible declares it too, that Jesus of Nazareth is God come in the flesh, per Isaiah and per Jesus Himself in Revelation and the end of John 8.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

% and Numbers mean nothing Ron...truth will prevail and its whether you are prepared to accept it when its shown to you. For the Jews it will be the nail marks in his hands still visible in his glorified state Zechariah 12:10 for the Christian it will be revealing the true nature of the Son of Man. Much to learn!

That's funny be a use God uses fractions, like 1/3 and numbers in the Bible. His Book of life had billions written in there - but an exact number. Actually, 2.65 billion is about 1/3 of the population. And btw a 1/3 remnant Jewish population will be saved at his coming.
It's also interesting how major doctrines in the Bible are known and a accepted by the majority. Wouldn't that make sense that the Holy Spirit gives "born again" Christians the truth and those who do not know the truth, must not be receiving it from the Holy Spirit; and therefore likely not baptized by the Holy Spirit, but just following man's understanding apart from God?
So you are a Non-Trinitarian? Here's a clue: You must be baptized in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Were you? Typically those who do not accept the Trinity go to a church that does not water baptize according to the scriptures. They are not prompted to ask for the Holy Spirit because they have a distorted view of Who He is. Much to learn.
So I did a search and found one of your posts:
"I should make it known I dont believe Jesus was God, or that he preexisted...he was born of a woman born under the law ..." That explains the flaws."

 

[face2face]

I've never ignored God's establishing of the kingdom of Israel, so you failed miserably even in trying to make up that LIE to try and slap me with.

As for YOUR silly allegory about Israel being the "first Heavens and Earth" idea, that is either some weird idea YOU came up with, or just ignorance your teachers taught you, which sounds like a bunch of Gnostic false teaching.

The FIRST earth world age that Apostle Peter pointed to in 2 Peter 3 is NOT this present world age. It was a world of old BEFORE Satan rebelled against God. It was not a time of man in the flesh. Apparently, you don't know about that time which God showed about per a parable in Ezekiel 28 and Ezekiel 31 about Satan when he was once perfect in his ways. The kingdom of Israel DID NOT YET EXIST BACK THEN.

I think you will revisit #79 - common sense will prevail and while you may think you have a lot to lose in acknowledging this correct interpretation / giving ground as the saying goes...you will find in all case the OT verses are speaking to the Kingdom of God in Israel and that the Heavens & Earth is the development of that Kingdom on Earth.

Your misuse of Ezekiel 28 which has long been debunked here King of Tyre or a Supernatural Creature of Darkness will show you the OT is silent on your fallen angel theology - you can try and force it but to no avail.

I'll press on with the study at hand and leave you to your own devices.

Thanks for the engagement.

F2F

 

[face2face]

And btw a 1/3 remnant Jewish population will be saved at his coming.

Here you speak truth!
No flaws from my side!
Full immersion
HS is the Power of God though personified in many places for good reason!
The final stage is set for an awakening and judgement and I know whose side I desire to be on when he comes.
Have a good weekend!
F2F

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Here you speak truth!
No flaws from my side!
Full immersion
HS is the Power of God though personified in many places for good reason!
The final stage is set for an awakening and judgement and I know whose side I desire to be on when he comes.
Have a good weekend!
F2F

It is good we find agreement, but I would never say that the Holy Spirit is a personification. HE is a person, God, omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent. He lives inside those who are born again. We are the Temple of the Holy Spirit which in fact replaced the Old Temple where God dwelled. We commune with Him, He comforts and guides us into all truth. He is distinct from the Father and Jesus who sent Him. "Jesus said, the Father will send you another Helper..."
You need to study and find the truth about the Holy Spirit.
Here are some scriptures:
Luke 1:15
Matthew 3:11
John 14:16-17
John 14:26
John 15:26
Acts of the Apostles 1:8
Acts of the Apostles 2:2-4
Ephesians 1:13
Galatians 5:22
Job 33:4
Romans 8:26-27
Romans 15:30
Acts of the Apostles 13:2
Hebrews 3:7-11
Acts of the Apostles 1:16
2 Peter 1:21
Ephesians 4:30
Philippians 2:1-2
1 Corinthians 2:13
Romans 15:19
1 Thessalonians 1:6
1 Corinthians 12:7
Acts of the Apostles 5:3
Acts of the Apostles 28:25-26
1 Peter 1:10-11

Jesus is fully God. A man cannot take the sins of the world (which would amount to trillions) _ for all time _ upon himself and wash them away unless He is God. He could not have ALL authority on earth and in Heaven unless He is God. That requires omniscience, omnipresence and omnipotence. He is the Great I AM, the Creator, Who came down from Heaven, emptied Himself into a human vessel, temporarily relinquished His glory to become a suffering servant. That glory was returned to Him after He accomplished His mission. If you do not understand the deity of Christ, then you need to study the book of John.
You have a nice weekend too.

 

[Davy]

I think you will revisit #79 - common sense will prevail and while you may think you have a lot to lose in acknowledging this correct interpretation / giving ground as the saying goes...you will find in all case the OT verses are speaking to the Kingdom of God in Israel and that the Heavens & Earth is the development of that Kingdom on Earth.

Your misuse of Ezekiel 28 which has long been debunked here King of Tyre or a Supernatural Creature of Darkness will show you the OT is silent on your fallen angel theology - you can try and force it but to no avail.

I'll press on with the study at hand and leave you to your own devices.

Thanks for the engagement.

F2F

BEWARE BRETHREN:
The basis of where face2face is coming from is NOT God's written Word, but the doctrines of GNOSTICISM. One of the problems 1 & 2nd century Gnosticism created, is they tried to mix esoteric pagan doctrines in with Bible Scripture. That is how some beth-aven (houses of vanity) type churches out there got into their methods of turning much of The Bible into 'allegory' and philosophical speculation.

What face2face is doing is taking the concept of the world to come described as 'new heavens and a new earth' by Isaiah and Apostle Peter, and MIS-APPLYING a WHOLE DIFFERENT CONCEPT to that phrase. That is the sign of Gnostic speculative philosophy, using that label which is literally meant about a future literal 'new heavens and a new earth', and turning it into some speculative philosophy idea like the philosophers at Athens used to do, ever showing the love of hearing something new, and never coming to the Truth.

 

[face2face]

BEWARE BRETHREN:
The basis of where face2face is coming from is NOT God's written Word, but the doctrines of GNOSTICISM. One of the problems 1 & 2nd century Gnosticism created, is they tried to mix esoteric pagan doctrines in with Bible Scripture. That is how some beth-aven (houses of vanity) type churches out there got into their methods of turning much of The Bible into 'allegory' and philosophical speculation.

What face2face is doing is taking the concept of the world to come described as 'new heavens and a new earth' by Isaiah and Apostle Peter, and MIS-APPLYING a WHOLE DIFFERENT CONCEPT to that phrase. That is the sign of Gnostic speculative philosophy, using that label which is literally meant about a future literal 'new heavens and a new earth', and turning it into some speculative philosophy idea like the philosophers at Athens used to do, ever showing the love of hearing something new, and never coming to the Truth.

This is the type of post I would expect from you Davy. Why not speak to Deuteronomy 32:1 & Isaiah 65:17

You know the listeners of these words constitute the Heavens (rulers) and Earth (peoples) of the mosaic age! You also cant run from the fact these former political arrangements would be replaced first by Christ, then by God Himself.

1. Mosaic
2. Christ
3. Yahweh

2&3 are both New from the age before it!

Take 2 Peter 3:13 - below as an example!

2 Peter 3:7 But by the same word the present heavens and earth have been reserved for fire, by being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.

Peter here is referring to the Judaism and its destruction in AD70 reserved for judgement upon the 2nd advent of the Lord to earth.

Context is KING!

Peter is referring to the stone that the builders rejected.

The builders should have been the spiritual rulers (Heavens) of the day but the Pharisees were the blind leaders of the blind and were deceitful in their worship (2 Peter 3:1).

Matthew 23 shows their falseness and hypocrisy. They were not building God's house, but were instead devouring widow's houses. They were spiritually dead and 'full of dead men's bones' Their house ...the temple Matthew 23:38 was to be left desolate. They trusted in the hugely visible temple in Jerusalem,which Jesus tells us in Matthew 24:1-4 was to be destroyed.

Peter knew of the coming destruction of Jerusalem and the words of Jesus. He refers to the end of the Jewish commonwealth in 2 Peter 3:7 when the Jewish political and religious heaven and earth were to come to an end in AD 70. God is not interested in physical building, but in the development of a spiritual temple. Isaiah 66:1-2

Now Davy, if you could provide an answer to the context of 2 Peter 3 as per above I would gladly listen to you but you cant - so you cast stones!

F2F

 

[face2face]

It is good we find agreement, but I would never say that the Holy Spirit is a personification. HE is a person, God, omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent. He lives inside those who are born again. We are the Temple of the Holy Spirit which in fact replaced the Old Temple where God dwelled. We commune with Him, He comforts and guides us into all truth. He is distinct from the Father and Jesus who sent Him. "Jesus said, the Father will send you another Helper..."
You need to study and find the truth about the Holy Spirit.
Here are some scriptures:
Luke 1:15

I think you meant to quote Luke 1:35

1:35 The angel replied, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. Therefore •the child to be born will be holy; he will be called the Son of God.

See your problem?

The blue text answers to the red text!

The Power of the Most High (Yahweh One true God) is the Holy Spirit - inseparable! Not a person but His Power.

The Spirit of God or His Power are given many titles in the Scripture

• "The Spirit of God" (Genesis 1:2; Matthew 3:16)
• "The Spirit of the Lord" (Isaiah 11:2; Acts of the Apostles 8:39)
• "Thy good spirit" (Nehemiah 9:20)
• "The Spirit of the Lord God" (Isaiah 61:1)
• "His Holy Spirit" (Isaiah 63:10-11)
• "The Spirit of your Father" (Matthew 10:20)
• "The Spirit" (John 1:32)
• "The holy Spirit of God" (Ephesians 4:30)
• "The power of the Lord" (Luke 5:17)

Unfortunately its another example of how the trinity has imported error into the Word of God and now you are left to try and make it fit which is impossible to do.

Why dont you go and look at some of those references you posted and first check they are correct and then see how many of them have been personified?

Personification is a massive subject in the Bible i.e wages of sin is death! Wisdom as a her etc.

Thanks
F2F

 

[face2face]

The Final Judgment

Matthew 25:31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne.

Jesus has returned.

He is King.

God has fulfilled his promise to His Son to give him the throne of Jesus's father David as per Luke 1:32.

This throne is not in heaven as the JW's believe but in Jerusalem the future capital of the world.

 

[face2face]

Matthew 25:32 Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.

Representative of all nations before the throne.

Revelation 7:9 After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands…

Psalms 96:13 before the Lord, for he comes, for he comes to judge the earth. He will judge the world in righteousness, and the peoples in his faithfulness.

Acts 17:31 because he has fixed a day on which he will judge the world in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed; and of this he has given assurance to all by raising him from the dead.”

Ecclesiastes 12:13 The end of the matter; all has been heard. Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. 14 For God will bring every deed into judgment, with every secret thing, whether good or evil.

Matthew 25:33 And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left.

The sheep and the goats stand for two different types of people