The Seperation of the Sheep & Goats - Matthew 25:31-46

[VictoryinJesus]

In a way maam, clearly the sheep are spiritual people, and display the fruitages of the spirit Gal 5:22,23 whereas the goats will display the works of the flesh v19-21
I agree if you are meaning it in that way, if you are indicating there will not be humans any longer, then no as God's purpose is to fill the earth, and what goes forth from His mouth, never goes unfulfilled Vicky.

to seek that Kingdom first in our lives now Mat 6:33 so that we will not catch ourselves of guard and be declared a goat maam.

you said “and be declared a goat” that is more what I was suggesting. I think of it (wrong or right) that the old man crucified in Christ is the goat…as in take off these things strife, debates, wrath, envy, greed, hatred and put on the New created in the image of Christ (The Shepherd and His sheep). To me His sheep hear His voice is …that which is born of God is Spirit. That which is flesh is flesh. Can a goat, that natural man receive the things which are from God, or does a goat think it is foolishness? Point is, if you think you can wind up “a goat” so you hope to be “a sheep”…are not both in you “a goat” and “a sheep”? Or else why put one aside and remove it as dead in Christ…and follow after Him as “a sheep” and not as “a goat”? To me it solidifies that “a goat” can not by its on power become “a sheep” but the urging of “one must be born again” of God for the Shepherd leads sheep and not goats. Why else the “dividing” asunder of “the heart”…where you don’t want to wind up a goat. who separates the goat from the sheep…where you don’t have to be that goat but a sheep? who put that goat away…openly triumphant over it? I go on and on, I apologize…but if we are pointing fingers always accusing others of being goats ….what are we? Are not both within us to be either a goat or a sheep? Is the division within of separating that which is the old man (dead) from the New man (Alive unto God) created in Christ? Isn’t that separation of the goat and sheep where we need to be most concerned with? Or else …like you suggested…”so that we will not catch ourselves of guard and be declared a goat maam.”

See you suggested (unless I misunderstood) both are within “a goat” and “a sheep”: one from Adam, One from Christ. Hopefully we wind up in Christ? When we take the focus off of separating others to title “us sheep” and “them goats” instead of the dividing where that sword that enters into the heart makes manifest the intent of the heart.

Consider where does “goats milk” comes from when Paul spoke of needing to feed them with milk, asking are y’all not still carnal (is that a goat?) and in need of the milk? Is Paul suggesting they still need that which is carnal …the goats milk? What else does a goat eat? Yet, (Imo) it is not a slight (pointing fingers) but an urging (as a nurse maid cares for the little ones) to move on to the meat of born anew where His sheep hear His voice and move on from the needing of goats milk. If one still has need of goats milk…are they still babes (yet babes in Christ) nourished on milk until they are ready to get off the goats milk?

Who provides the goats their milk until they are weaned…I wonder? God? Just thinking…

 

[VictoryinJesus]

if you are indicating there will not be humans any longer,

“if you are indicating there will not be humans any longer“ that is not at all what I’m suggesting. I’m trying to share a perspective not of a piece of rotating dirt in time or space ….but a perspective of possibly Gods affection and desire is on earthen vessels (weak dirt) as the building up and edification of the place of His habitation. Is that not what it says is the Habitation built up and edified a place for God to inhabit…we talk about it His Spirit in this place of His Habitation but why then do we evolve back to a rotation in time and space …even Christ urged Peter to “strengthen your brothers”, even Paul spoke as if they were being built up together for a habitation of God, by Gods Spirit. What is to “inhabit” if not “the earnest of His Spirit given” the promise of “habitation”…a place, built up by the Spirit, for God to inhabit? How is that suggesting against people in suggesting the earthen vessel that is weak IS where the power of the Spirit is seen that the power is not of men, but of God?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

then no as God's purpose is to fill the earth,

see the above post concerning the earthen vessels? “We have this treasure in earthen vessels”

you said “then no as God's purpose is to fill the earth”
Is that not the urging throughout the word that it is Gods purpose to declare His power and glory by the Spirit which “fills the earth” weak vessels so that the power which fills the earth is Of God and not men? Consider that “Gods purpose is to fill the earth” isn’t that purpose: Gods habitation in you…why else all the Patients and long-suffering of God that none perish for they are the desired habitation that God fills and where He puts His glory; the Spirt of His Son. What is: if any hunger or thirst, let them come and they will “be filled” if not filled with and by His Spirit. Over and over unless I’ve misunderstood…the earth of His place of habitation, where His desire to fill with His Spirit …is “you”, is “me”, is “them” …for “where His Spirit is” there is “Life”

and what goes forth from His mouth, never goes unfulfilled Vicky.

Amen. That is hopeful. If I’m not mistaken we use that same verse in regards to the Body of Christ built up by the Spirit for a place of habitation of God. Yet, apply it to hopes of time and space which is a foreshadowing of Light and dark and stars and day and night and weakness and strength all for His name sake which is “strengthen your brothers” for “His name sake” …which is built up and edified (His body) for His Spirit to fill? I’m not trying to steal your hope of an new earth since others have told you they will be in heaven and you on earth…no wonder this topic is significant to you. I get that is where “your place” has been told to be, yea? And if any question that place …then where does that leave you? Still “the place” Of Gods habitation for His Spirit “to fill” is the new earth…I’m suggesting that “new heavens and new earth” is you where God puts His Spirit.

 

[face2face]

2. His insertion of the phrase "(the new heaven, where he will at that time be established as the Sun of Righteousness)", suggests man's doctrine of Amillennialism, which is not written in God's Word. They believe that on the day of Christ's future return that we go immediately into the new heavens and a new earth timing, with all the wicked destroyed. That idea is not written.

Looks like you have jumped the gun there Davy!

The phrase "New Heaven"has absolutely nothing to do with God's Heavenly realm but the New Governance on Earth during the Millennial age.

Here is an example of God referring to Israel as Heaven & Earth.

Isaiah 1:2 & Deuteronomy 32:1.

In Deuteronomy 32:1 Moses addresses Israel with the following expression: “Listen, you heavens, and I will speak; hear, you earth, the words of my mouth.” Isaiah does the same in Isaiah 1:2: “Hear me, you heavens! Listen, earth!”

Heavens is imagery for the ruling peoples
Earth is imagery for the common peoples

There is more to know about this phrase as it relates to different dispensations but lets see if you can understand for now the phrase "A New Heaven" relates to a New Age of governance in the earth...i.e Christ has returned! (Not in Heaven as the JW's asset.)

You either didnt understand the term hence you jumped all over it or you will now claim you made a mistake and have possibly learned something? Or maybe just ignore it a play dumb...either way you are better to ask the author of the OP first than jumping to conclusions.

And BTW...please dont make me have to explain what the Sun of Righteousness means...that would be to much in one day!

F2F

 

[Robert Gwin]

you said “and be declared a goat” that is more what I was suggesting. I think of it (wrong or right) that the old man crucified in Christ is the goat…as in take off these things strife, debates, wrath, envy, greed, hatred and put on the New created in the image of Christ (The Shepherd and His sheep). To me His sheep hear His voice is …that which is born of God is Spirit. That which is flesh is flesh. Can a goat, that natural man receive the things which are from God, or does a goat think it is foolishness? Point is, if you think you can wind up “a goat” so you hope to be “a sheep”…are not both in you “a goat” and “a sheep”? Or else why put one aside and remove it as dead in Christ…and follow after Him as “a sheep” and not as “a goat”? To me it solidifies that “a goat” can not by its on power become “a sheep” but the urging of “one must be born again” of God for the Shepherd leads sheep and not goats. Why else the “dividing” asunder of “the heart”…where you don’t want to wind up a goat. who separates the goat from the sheep…where you don’t have to be that goat but a sheep? who put that goat away…openly triumphant over it? I go on and on, I apologize…but if we are pointing fingers always accusing others of being goats ….what are we? Are not both within us to be either a goat or a sheep? Is the division within of separating that which is the old man (dead) from the New man (Alive unto God) created in Christ? Isn’t that separation of the goat and sheep where we need to be most concerned with? Or else …like you suggested…”so that we will not catch ourselves of guard and be declared a goat maam.”

See you suggested (unless I misunderstood) both are within “a goat” and “a sheep”: one from Adam, One from Christ. Hopefully we wind up in Christ? When we take the focus off of separating others to title “us sheep” and “them goats” instead of the dividing where that sword that enters into the heart makes manifest the intent of the heart.

Consider where does “goats milk” comes from when Paul spoke of needing to feed them with milk, asking are y’all not still carnal (is that a goat?) and in need of the milk? Is Paul suggesting they still need that which is carnal …the goats milk? What else does a goat eat? Yet, (Imo) it is not a slight (pointing fingers) but an urging (as a nurse maid cares for the little ones) to move on to the meat of born anew where His sheep hear His voice and move on from the needing of goats milk. If one still has need of goats milk…are they still babes (yet babes in Christ) nourished on milk until they are ready to get off the goats milk?

Who provides the goats their milk until they are weaned…I wonder? God? Just thinking…

Jesus used the term sheep and goats as an illustrative picture of judgment Vicky. That is all there is to it, obviously born again Christians are sheep, but they really aren't figured into that illustration or judgment as they have already been judged when the separation of the sheep and goats begins. Jesus gave his illustration to those who would understand it as a figurative picture for teaching. He also used wheat and weeds, soils, and likely other things to say basically the same thing.

The only Christians who actually become spirit beings are those born again, and they will reside in heaven as Kings and Priests, a wise choice over selecting angels to rule over us. The vast majority of those who receive salvation will be humans living on earth maam.

Over history we Christians refer to our receiving instruction as being fed. Paul was not speaking about literal milk, rather how he fed those in Corinth milk, in other words the foundation of the teachings of God, as they were new to the teachings. As they progressed they took in the deeper things of Scripture. Paul also warned the Hebrews they had backslid in the faith, needing to start with the basics again as seen at Hebrews 5:11-14.

 

[Robert Gwin]

“if you are indicating there will not be humans any longer“ that is not at all what I’m suggesting. I’m trying to share a perspective not of a piece of rotating dirt in time or space ….but a perspective of possibly Gods affection and desire is on earthen vessels (weak dirt) as the building up and edification of the place of His habitation. Is that not what it says is the Habitation built up and edified a place for God to inhabit…we talk about it His Spirit in this place of His Habitation but why then do we evolve back to a rotation in time and space …even Christ urged Peter to “strengthen your brothers”, even Paul spoke as if they were being built up together for a habitation of God, by Gods Spirit. What is to “inhabit” if not “the earnest of His Spirit given” the promise of “habitation”…a place, built up by the Spirit, for God to inhabit? How is that suggesting against people in suggesting the earthen vessel that is weak IS where the power of the Spirit is seen that the power is not of men, but of God?

I am sorry Vicky, I am unable to discern what you are asking maam.

 

[Robert Gwin]

see the above post concerning the earthen vessels? “We have this treasure in earthen vessels”

you said “then no as God's purpose is to fill the earth”
Is that not the urging throughout the word that it is Gods purpose to declare His power and glory by the Spirit which “fills the earth” weak vessels so that the power which fills the earth is Of God and not men? Consider that “Gods purpose is to fill the earth” isn’t that purpose: Gods habitation in you…why else all the Patients and long-suffering of God that none perish for they are the desired habitation that God fills and where He puts His glory; the Spirt of His Son. What is: if any hunger or thirst, let them come and they will “be filled” if not filled with and by His Spirit. Over and over unless I’ve misunderstood…the earth of His place of habitation, where His desire to fill with His Spirit …is “you”, is “me”, is “them” …for “where His Spirit is” there is “Life”



Amen. That is hopeful. If I’m not mistaken we use that same verse in regards to the Body of Christ built up by the Spirit for a place of habitation of God. Yet, apply it to hopes of time and space which is a foreshadowing of Light and dark and stars and day and night and weakness and strength all for His name sake which is “strengthen your brothers” for “His name sake” …which is built up and edified (His body) for His Spirit to fill? I’m not trying to steal your hope of an new earth since others have told you they will be in heaven and you on earth…no wonder this topic is significant to you. I get that is where “your place” has been told to be, yea? And if any question that place …then where does that leave you? Still “the place” Of Gods habitation for His Spirit “to fill” is the new earth…I’m suggesting that “new heavens and new earth” is you where God puts His Spirit.

The Bible is rather clear on the teaching Vicky. It is God's purpose to fill the earth with humans. Some were chosen to rule with Christ to reside in heaven, but God intended for man to procreate and fill the earth, He has not changed His mind. I think you may be over complicating it.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Jesus used the term sheep and goats as an illustrative picture of judgment Vicky.

that no flesh is justified in His sight? (Imo)That which God predestinated to be transformed unto the renewing of the mind is spirit. To me it is an illustrative picture …that none can get around that “you must be born anew” for “born anew” is what He desired from the beginning in “let there be light”. To me it is an illustration of “walk in the flesh” which leads to death, and “walk in the Spirit” which leads to Life. How are His sheep not there when He said His sheep follow His voice…isn’t that to follow the Spirit in to follow His voice?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

It is God's purpose to fill the earth with humans.

See I would suggest the opposite …that is God’s purpose to fill humans with (Himself)God.

to fill humans with Himself…
It can’t be cannibalism…this filling of humans with Himself…(Imo) because it isn’t flesh but Spirit; His Spirit —breath—that fills the weak with Himself.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Some were chosen to rule with Christ to reside in heaven

Christ has raised us up together to sit in heavenly places.
Ephesians 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

Yet, Unless I’m mistaken you are convinced of …not you @Robert Gwin. But instead “to sit in heavenly places” applies only to the select?

 

[Taken]

The Seperation of the Sheep & Goats - Matthew 25:31-46
OP^

What is a “goat” and what is a “sheep”?
“Sheep” is expressly those who BELIEVE in Jesus IS the Christ Messiah. Expressly Gods Word, God Expressly SENT to ISRAEL, in the likeness AS a Jewish man, FOR Jewish men to KNOW, God was fulfilling His covenant promise, God Himself would Walk among and with Jewish men, and the Tribes of ISRAEL.

Not a big secret, few Jews/Tribes could, can, do NOT ACCEPT Jesus, as their Christ Messiah...YET.
It was Gods “order and way” to bring into the fold of manKIND, Gods DIVISION of Hebrews, Tribes, divided from GENTILES...an opportunity for GENTILES to become INCLUDED in Gods BIG PICTURE of Salvation.

God established the DIVISION.
God established the opportunity for INCLUSION.
Men decide individually TO REMAIN DIVIDED FROM God or BECOME INCLUDED WITH God.

The End of Days (as we know days, sun rises, sun sets, we eat, work, play, daily, some believe, some do not....)
SHALL COME TO AN END...
The DIVIDED SHALL BE “Separated”.
WITH God, shall remain WITH God.
WITHOUT God, shall be destroyed and forgotten.

The “separation”, is an “unknown” time to mankind.
The “urgency”, is the time IS unknown to mankind.
Bottom Line...the Separation WILL occur.
Bottom Line...Get to getting, get your affairs in Order, BE Prepared for whatever “TIME” the Lord God SHALL effect “separation” of the “divided”.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[VictoryinJesus]

WITHOUT God, shall be destroyed and forgotten.

flesh is without, outside

 

[Taken]

flesh is without, outside

Sure flesh is “outside”.
Forgiven “flesh” is the KEY.
Unforgiven “flesh” is the OBSTICAL.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Sure flesh is “outside”.
Forgiven “flesh” is the KEY.
Unforgiven “flesh” is the OBSTICAL.

what is: to give such a one over to satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be save in the day of the Lord?

 

[face2face]

Cont....

The first work of Christ will be to resurrect the responsible dead – next work will be to gather of the responsible living - 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17.

You will notice I am using the word "responsible" for those unenlightened sinners the judgement holds no value whatsoever.

 

[face2face]

In 1 Thessalonians 4:15 Paul comforts the believers with the knowledge that those believers who had died would be the first to know that the Lord was in the earth, through their resurrection to life.

The word "prevent" is the Greek word phthano - to come or do before, get first in doing or being anything, be before with.

phthanō (1), to anticipate or precede

Can we all "agree" the dead in Christ are raised first?

 

[Taken]

what is: to give such a one over to satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be save in the day of the Lord?

No clue.

 

[Robert Gwin]

that no flesh is justified in His sight? (Imo)That which God predestinated to be transformed unto the renewing of the mind is spirit. To me it is an illustrative picture …that none can get around that “you must be born anew” for “born anew” is what He desired from the beginning in “let there be light”. To me it is an illustration of “walk in the flesh” which leads to death, and “walk in the Spirit” which leads to Life. How are His sheep not there when He said His sheep follow His voice…isn’t that to follow the Spirit in to follow His voice?

God selects those born again Vicky, we have no say so in that. They are very limited in number, and they are all gathered at this time, only replacements are gathered to replace those who leave the faith, which is extremely rare. Are you unaware that Jesus has sheep that are not of that fold maam? Jn 10:16

 

[Robert Gwin]

See I would suggest the opposite …that is God’s purpose to fill humans with (Himself)God.

to fill humans with Himself…
It can’t be cannibalism…this filling of humans with Himself…(Imo) because it isn’t flesh but Spirit; His Spirit —breath—that fills the weak with Himself.

God gave the purpose to Adam at Gen 1:28 Vicky, I know you are aware of this.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Christ has raised us up together to sit in heavenly places.
Ephesians 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

Yet, Unless I’m mistaken you are convinced of …not you @Robert Gwin. But instead “to sit in heavenly places” applies only to the select?

Yes maam, the 144k who are redeemed from the earth Rev 14:3 The rest, or the other sheep will inherit the earth Vicky Ps 37:11; 29; Mat 5:5 You have not been educated in God's purpose for the earth.