The Rapture Cover-up

[David in NJ]

"Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?"

Your paraphrase is horrible.

What does it mean a man may be spiritually or physically dead? There is no "may" in the future. All are in a state of death since conception.

Jesus is saying though all are dead, yet many will live and never die.

paraphrase???

John 11:25-26 is a DIRECT quote from the Mouth of God

Here it is again:
Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.
And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die.
Do you (@Timtofly) believe this?”

 

[Timtofly]

We are ONLY

Who is we? Those alive on the earth.

If you are physically dead at that point, you are no longer part of the we.

You will already be made alive in heaven and will come with Jesus for those on the earth (the we still on the earth).

 

[David in NJ]

Who is we? Those alive on the earth.

If you are physically dead at that point, you are no longer part of the we.

You will already be made alive in heaven and will come with Jesus for those on the earth (the we still on the earth).

Jesus answered and said to them, “You are mistaken, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven. But concerning the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was spoken to you by God, saying, ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.”
Matthew 22:29-32

 

[Timtofly]

My BROTHER,

i have been speaking directly with, in love, giving many many scriptures in the past with you as you well know.

Here are some questions that we may look into scripture for the answers:

Can you please post the scripture where JESUS said (any of the following):
a.) I will rapture my Elect/Bride/Church BEFORE the "Abomination of Desolation spoken by Daniel the Prophet"
b.) I will not permit My chosen/elect/saints/Bride/Church to suffer tribulation unto death.
c.) I will rapture my Bride/Saints/Elect/Church BEFORE the 'Day of Jacob's Trouble'.
d.) I have separated Jew from Gentile in the New Covenant
e.) My Saints/Elect/Redeemed Bride/Church will not see or face or suffer from the Antichrist

You may as well deny your premillennialism and join Amillennials, as those are all Amil talking points.

They think the church goes through Satan's little season and are raptured at the end of the millennium.

Matthew is written to Hebrews as a Gospel telling them the good news of Salvation. Matthew 25 deals with Israel post the Second Coming. After the Second Coming there is no church on the earth, unless you are Amil, and they deny the Day of the Lord where Jesus is King of Israel, not the church. They have Jesus and the church immediately on the earth at that point in the NHNE.

Those wise virgins represent Israel, not the church. Some of Israel will be raptured because they have the second birth. Others will stand in judgment after the church is taken away. So life goes on after the Second Coming, and the rapture of the Church.

No, the church will not be on the earth during the Trumpets and Thunders, nor those 42 months given to Satan and his mystery Babylon. The church will not be waiting on earth for the planned and expected battle of Armageddon, which is not Jesus coming as a thief in the night.

The thief in the night moment was back at the 5th Seal, and you all missed it, because you are looking for the wrong Scriptures. There is no verse that states the Second Coming is the battle of Armageddon. If there was, you would have posted it.

This verse is not about Armageddon:

"Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame."

Think about this for a minute: If this is the last event, how can any one be left without a garment, walking naked in shame? Is John saying that some people have the wrong doctrine prior to the Second Coming or are left behind? Is Matthew 25 actually saying the 5 foolish are not left behind, but only foolish prior to the Second Coming?

You all think that this is saved and lost, but why would the lost be looking for the Second Coming to begin with?

This verse is a parenthetical stating you are too late at this point to be part of the church. At that point the only people alive on the earth have the mark, or are beheaded. There is no third group undecided who they are. You are either one or the other, and those beheaded never make it to heaven. They only escape death and the LOF, because they chose to severe their head, to be slain out of Adam's dead corruptible flesh. Their souls only redeemed when they stand in judgment, and are then given eternal life.

Whoever interprets these beheaded as born again Christians are just plain wrong and biased to false doctrine in their interpretation of Scripture. These are some of those the glorified church is waiting for after the Second Coming and the rapture, which happen at the same time in the 5th and 6th Seals.

There are no verses that declare Amil as a doctrine. There are no verses that declare Premil as a doctrine. There are no verses that declare a post-trib position, nor a pre-trib position. So why are you asking leading questions as if no one knows anything about God's Word here?

All eschatology comes from those who think that their human understanding and logic have the correct interpretation. If God wanted us all to be correct, instead of searching out His will, He would have given us a detailed manual, instead of multiple authors writing down their Holy Spirit inspired thoughts. The Bible contains information from people spanning over 1,400 years, from Moses to John. Human understanding is constantly changing. How the Bible is viewed is constantly changing.

 

[David in NJ]

You may as well deny your premillennialism and join Amillennials, as those are all Amil talking points.

They think the church goes through Satan's little season and are raptured at the end of the millennium.

Matthew is written to Hebrews as a Gospel telling them the good news of Salvation. Matthew 25 deals with Israel post the Second Coming. After the Second Coming there is no church on the earth, unless you are Amil, and they deny the Day of the Lord where Jesus is King of Israel, not the church. They have Jesus and the church immediately on the earth at that point in the NHNE.

Those wise virgins represent Israel, not the church. Some of Israel will be raptured because they have the second birth. Others will stand in judgment after the church is taken away. So life goes on after the Second Coming, and the rapture of the Church.

No, the church will not be on the earth during the Trumpets and Thunders, nor those 42 months given to Satan and his mystery Babylon. The church will not be waiting on earth for the planned and expected battle of Armageddon, which is not Jesus coming as a thief in the night.

The thief in the night moment was back at the 5th Seal, and you all missed it, because you are looking for the wrong Scriptures. There is no verse that states the Second Coming is the battle of Armageddon. If there was, you would have posted it.

This verse is not about Armageddon:

"Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame."

Think about this for a minute: If this is the last event, how can any one be left without a garment, walking naked in shame? Is John saying that some people have the wrong doctrine prior to the Second Coming or are left behind? Is Matthew 25 actually saying the 5 foolish are not left behind, but only foolish prior to the Second Coming?

You all think that this is saved and lost, but why would the lost be looking for the Second Coming to begin with?

This verse is a parenthetical stating you are too late at this point to be part of the church. At that point the only people alive on the earth have the mark, or are beheaded. There is no third group undecided who they are. You are either one or the other, and those beheaded never make it to heaven. They only escape death and the LOF, because they chose to severe their head, to be slain out of Adam's dead corruptible flesh. Their souls only redeemed when they stand in judgment, and are then given eternal life.

Whoever interprets these beheaded as born again Christians are just plain wrong and biased to false doctrine in their interpretation of Scripture. These are some of those the glorified church is waiting for after the Second Coming and the rapture, which happen at the same time in the 5th and 6th Seals.

There are no verses that declare Amil as a doctrine. There are no verses that declare Premil as a doctrine. There are no verses that declare a post-trib position, nor a pre-trib position. So why are you asking leading questions as if no one knows anything about God's Word here?

All eschatology comes from those who think that their human understanding and logic have the correct interpretation. If God wanted us all to be correct, instead of searching out His will, He would have given us a detailed manual, instead of multiple authors writing down their Holy Spirit inspired thoughts. The Bible contains information from people spanning over 1,400 years, from Moses to John. Human understanding is constantly changing. How the Bible is viewed is constantly changing.

Can you please post the scripture where JESUS said (any of the following):
a.) I will rapture my Elect/Bride/Church BEFORE the "Abomination of Desolation spoken by Daniel the Prophet"
b.) I will not permit My chosen/elect/saints/Bride/Church to suffer tribulation unto death.
c.) I will rapture my Bride/Saints/Elect/Church BEFORE the 'Day of Jacob's Trouble'.
d.) I have separated Jew from Gentile in the New Covenant
e.) My Saints/Elect/Redeemed Bride/Church will not see or face or suffer from the Antichrist

 

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Those wise virgins represent Israel, not the church.

Good for you! Yay!

Much love!

 

[David in NJ]

Good for you! Yay!

Much love!

How can it represent Israel when they Do Not 'know' their MESSIAH and are not "known" by Him?

John 17:3 - Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.

BEFORE you share your answer, we both know that "GOD knows all things and nothing is hidden from His sight."

SHALOM

 

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How can it represent Israel when they Do Not 'know' their MESSIAH and are not "known" by Him?

Think about it. Who was He speaking to? Who's cultural story did He relate? What had He been prophesying? It's all there, to be believed and received.

Much love!

 

[David in NJ]

Think about it.

Much love!

Let us do BETTER = by believing JESUS at His word and the holy Apostles.

JESUS says to Israel of the flesh(earthbound nation):
“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! 38See! Your house is left to you desolate; 39for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’

the Apostle Paul confirms this:
I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew.

He foreknew.
προέγνω (proegnō)
Verb - Aorist Indicative Active - 3rd Person Singular
Strong's Greek 4267: To know beforehand, foreknow. From pro and ginosko; to know beforehand, i.e.

 

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Let us do BETTER = by believing JESUS at His word and the holy Apostles.

Yes, please do better!! Please believe Jesus and His Apostles! Please do!

Much love!

 

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How can it represent Israel

Matthew 25:1-13 KJV
1) Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
2) And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
3) They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
4) But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
5) While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
6) And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
7) Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
8) And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
9) But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
10) And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
11) Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
12) But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
13) Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

Why wouldn't it? Some were ready, some were not. None of them knew when He was coming. This is who He was speaking to. Are you thinking He gave them this parable but didn't mean them? Why would we think that?

Much love!

 

[IndianaRob]

Matthew 25:1-13 KJV
1) Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
2) And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
3) They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
4) But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
5) While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
6) And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
7) Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
8) And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
9) But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
10) And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
11) Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
12) But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
13) Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

Why wouldn't it? Some were ready, some were not. None of them knew when He was coming. This is who He was speaking to. Are you thinking He gave them this parable but didn't mean them? Why would we think that?

Much love!

It was TEN virgins, nothing else is needed to determine all ten were Jews under the law.

 

[David in NJ]

Matthew 25:1-13 KJV
1) Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
2) And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
3) They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
4) But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
5) While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
6) And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
7) Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
8) And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
9) But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
10) And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
11) Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
12) But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
13) Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

Why wouldn't it? Some were ready, some were not. None of them knew when He was coming. This is who He was speaking to. Are you thinking He gave them this parable but didn't mean them? Why would we think that?

Much love!

Why wouldn't it?

Because JESUS and the Apostles emphatically said they are bound in sin/rebellion against the Gospel and CANNOT know their MESSIAH, as a nation, until.....Matt 23:37-39

Why would you reject JESUS words to the earthbound nation Israel?

“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! See! Your house is left to you desolate; for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”

Have you been swayed by the error of proud men who separate Jew from Gentile in the Gospel?

There has been a strong push for this separation by so called 'scholars' these days.
Unless they repent, they will suffer GREAT loss in the Judgment of MESSIAH.

Praise be to God that many Jewish people are coming to YAHshua HaMashiach.
But NOT the earthbound nation in the Middle East.

They eventually will = Matthew 23:37-39

 

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Because JESUS and the Apostles emphatically said they are bound in sin/rebellion against the Gospel and CANNOT know their MESSIAH,

No Jews can know Jesus? Brother I think somewhere you got the wrong idea. All the first believers were Jews. Thousands of them.

Much love!

 

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It was TEN virgins, nothing else is needed to determine all ten were Jews under the law.

It helps so much in understanding to pay attention to who Jesus' audience was, and what exactly He said.

Much love!

 

[David in NJ]

It was TEN virgins, nothing else is needed to determine all ten were Jews under the law.

Jews under the law are condemned by the law of Moses = not one is a virgin with oil in their lamps.

 

[David in NJ]

No Jews can know Jesus? Brother I think somewhere you got the wrong idea. All the first believers were Jews. Thousands of them.

Much love!

No Jews can know Jesus?

Why are you saying things I never said?

That is a SIN that God hates = being a false witness

 

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There has been a strong push for this separation by so called 'scholars' these days.

Do you know that God has promised to preserve His chosen nation Israel, and to save all those who remain when He returns? He warns them, be ready.

Much love!

 

[IndianaRob]

It helps so much in understanding to pay attention to who Jesus' audience was, and what exactly He said.

Much love!

It’s just a repeat of the story of the servant taking 10 camels to find a bride for Isaac.

 

[IndianaRob]

Jews under the law are condemned by the law of Moses = not one is a virgin with oil in their lamps.

Peter was a Jew under the law with his lamp full and he went into the wedding super. I guess you futurist think this parable about a false future rapture.