The Rapture Cover-up

[amigo de christo]

It is ALREADY taking place as we speak!!!

'They' began with hurling words of insult and slander against the true lambs who follow every word of the Chief Shepherd.

'They' are formulating 'policy' in order to deal with those who walk and speak in the Spirit as Elijah did.

'They' will pronounce judgment against us for we do not bow the knee unto men/religion/the world.

many within christendom now worship God in vain
and through the doctrines and commandments of men have failed the peoples and all is vain and in vain they do worship GOD .
It is bible time my friend . BIBLE and TIME . cause men are fleecing flocks
and the wool is kept for money . they fleecers , hirelings who follow not or know the great voice of the great SHEPARD .
now that was a general statement about the christendom in large . lest anyone here whines that i made it against them .
THOUGH believe you me i do see souls here who do follow another gospel all together my freind .
I have contended with them , but they heed not and only double down on their false go spell . On the day
of CHRIST whom their false go spell DENIED , they gonna wish they had repented . I PRAY THEY DO BEFORE that day .

 

[amigo de christo]

100%

i smell pre trib friend . so let me remind us all , the only way they or us can be redeemed
IS by faith in JESUS THE CHRIST , REDEEMED by the blood of the lamb .
Just a friendly reminder to all , i would not trust in what is commonly taught and called pre trib .
Its better we simply TRUST IN CHRIST and learn our bible for ourselves . I wont even heed all of post trib stuff or mid
trib stuff either . there may be truths in all three but i whiffed some errors too .
OH the DAY of the LORD will come , and a one time event it be . WHEN the door closes all outside will wail .

 

[David in NJ]

i smell pre trib friend . so let me remind us all , the only way they or us can be redeemed
IS by faith in JESUS THE CHRIST , REDEEMED by the blood of the lamb .
Just a friendly reminder to all , i would not trust in what is commonly taught and called pre trib .
Its better we simply TRUST IN CHRIST and learn our bible for ourselves . I wont even heed all of post trib stuff or mid
trib stuff either . there may be truths in all three but i whiffed some errors too .
OH the DAY of the LORD will come , and a one time event it be . WHEN the door closes all outside will wail .

yeah - he/she is pre-trib

However, i will agree with scripture they quote that is accurate = 1/3 Jews spared by God during DoJT = Zechariah ch13 & 14

 

[IndianaRob]

I have contended with them , but they heed not and only double down on their false go spell . On the day
of CHRIST whom their false go spell DENIED , they gonna wish they had repented . I PRAY THEY DO BEFORE that day .

At what point does gospel turn to go
spell?

 

[Timtofly]

Jeremiah 30:3-7: “For, lo, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah, saith the LORD: and I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it. And these are the words that the LORD spake concerning Israel and concerning Judah. For thus saith the LORD; We have heard a voice of trembling, of fear, and not of peace. Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness? Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble, but he shall be saved out of it. "

This has not been fulfilled. Only Judah was restored post the Babylonian captivity.

Israel was not captured by the Babylonians. The ten northern tribes of Israel were scattered throughout the earth several hundred years earlier, and are still not completely restored. That restoration is Jacob's trouble, when Israel will give birth in a day.

 

[Taken]

The Rapture Cover-up

People please stop spreading the rapture heresy.

The rapture is a lie and it’s covering up one of the most important and uplifting doctrines in the Bible. That doctrine is BELIEVERS IN CHRIST NEVER DIE.

@IndianaRob ~

You are qualified by your own freewill;
To not believe in the Rapture…
To Reject the Rapture…
To Not understand the Rapture…

Which wholly disqualifies you to explain the Rapture…

In Brief;
ManKIND…
IS a body,
The body is created from dust of the earth, Formed the hand of God.
The body’s life IS it’s BLOOD.
The Body’s LIFE (blood) Must and Shall Die, (and shall return to the dust of the Earth)
God Requires that. Period!
* A “procreated” body, is “procreated” from the seed of a male human fertilizing the (seed/egg) of a female human.
* That body is “formed” by the hand of God.
* That body is born (according to the order and way of manKIND….9 months later)…
* That body receives it’s soul from God.
* That body is Naturally alive, Physically alive, AND Spiritually Dead.


Gen 9:
[5] And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.

The Created Body, Becomes “MADE” A person, the moment God Gives that Body “a soul”.

All “souls” belong to God.
A soul is entered INTO a naturally, physically born BODY.
The soul is entered INTO the naturally, physically born body….
BY…the method of God BLOWING the soul into the nostrils of that Body.
The SOUL now in that body…has “MADE” that body…… A Living PERSON

A Living Person, IS a naturally, physically born manKIND of being WITH a Living soul IN its body.

The SOUL’s LIFE, is Gods BREATH.

Gen 2:
[7] And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Gen 2:
[3] And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Gen 5:
[1] This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that [B[ God created man,[/B]in the likeness of God made he him;

ManKIND…a body….mans Seed..life Blood
ManKIND…a body…with soul…life Gods breath….equals an individual Living Person..

The body, the soul, carry the SAME “Identity”, “Gender” revealed and “Name” declared by (father, mother / either or both)…
And recorded.

When an Individual can Understand the VERY BASICS of his own (BODY and SOUL) there is MORE to Discover about his being….
Before he is qualified to understand…the difference between physical and spiritual Life and Death.

Baby steps…
Glory to God,

Taken

 

[IndianaRob]

The Rapture Cover-up



@IndianaRob ~

You are qualified by your own freewill;
To not believe in the Rapture…
To Reject the Rapture…
To Not understand the Rapture…

Which wholly disqualifies you to explain the Rapture…

In Brief;
ManKIND…
IS a body,
The body is created from dust of the earth, Formed the hand of God.
The body’s life IS it’s BLOOD.
The Body’s LIFE (blood) Must and Shall Die, (and shall return to the dust of the Earth)
God Requires that. Period!
* A “procreated” body, is “procreated” from the seed of a male human fertilizing the (seed/egg) of a female human.
* That body is “formed” by the hand of God.
* That body is born (according to the order and way of manKIND….9 months later)…
* That body receives it’s soul from God.
* That body is Naturally alive, Physically alive, AND Spiritually Dead.


Gen 9:
[5] And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.

The Created Body, Becomes “MADE” A person, the moment God Gives that Body “a soul”.

All “souls” belong to God.
A soul is entered INTO a naturally, physically born BODY.
The soul is entered INTO the naturally, physically born body….
BY…the method of God BLOWING the soul into the nostrils of that Body.
The SOUL now in that body…has “MADE” that body…… A Living PERSON

A Living Person, IS a naturally, physically born manKIND of being WITH a Living soul IN its body.

The SOUL’s LIFE, is Gods BREATH.

Gen 2:
[7] And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Gen 2:
[3] And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Gen 5:
[1] This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that [B[ God created man,[/B]in the likeness of God made he him;

ManKIND…a body….mans Seed..life Blood
ManKIND…a body…with soul…life Gods breath….equals an individual Living Person..

The body, the soul, carry the SAME “Identity”, “Gender” revealed and “Name” declared by (father, mother / either or both)…
And recorded.

When an Individual can Understand the VERY BASICS of his own (BODY and SOUL) there is MORE to Discover about his being….
Before he is qualified to understand…the difference between physical and spiritual Life and Death.

Baby steps…
Glory to God,

Taken

I can’t explain the rapture because there is no rapture. Believers in Christ never die, we’re all translated directly from this life to the next.

 

[Taken]

I can’t explain the rapture because there is no rapture. Believers in Christ never die, we’re all translated directly from this life to the next.

Fact is: You can Not Explain what you neither know or understand, regardless of the topic.

Topic … “Rapture” by your own comments is the extent of what you know or understand regarding the topic.

I would not be inclined to give attention to a person regarding the knowledge and understanding of the topic of PHYSICS (for example) merely because the person can say PHYSICS.

You claim what you say, RAPTURE, is non existent….which buttresses my claim of you being unqualified to speak of the knowledge or understanding of that which is and applies to the RAPTURE…

It is an odd thing in a comical sort of way, for you to exert so much of your time and energy to something you do not believe exists…Ha ha

 

[Taken]

Believers in Christ never die, we’re all translated directly from this life to the next.

You should have heard, read, verified, learned….

The WHOLE of a manKIND of being IS:
A body, soul, spirit…

And ALL BODY’S of men…Must and Shall Die…God requires it! Period.

You should have heard, read, verified, learned…

To believe otherwise…is foolish.

 

[IndianaRob]

Fact is: You can Not Explain what you neither know or understand, regardless of the topic.

Topic … “Rapture” by your own comments is the extent of what you know or understand regarding the topic.

I would not be inclined to give attention to a person regarding the knowledge and understanding of the topic of PHYSICS (for example) merely because the person can say PHYSICS.

You claim what you say, RAPTURE, is non existent….which buttresses my claim of you being unqualified to speak of the knowledge or understanding of that which is and applies to the RAPTURE…

It is an odd thing in a comical sort of way, for you to exert so much of your time and energy to something you do not believe exists…Ha ha

I’m very qualified to speak about the rapture because I used to believe in it until I actually read the Bible for my self instead of letting others tell me what the Bible said.

 

[Taken]

I’m very qualified to speak about the rapture because I used to believe in it until I actually read the Bible for my self instead of letting others tell me what the Bible said.

Seems you followed other men, and failed to verify, what they said was true or not.

Seems your reading skills fail you and you continue to lean on your own mindful understanding, which also is a fail.

Believers in Christ never die, we’re all translated directly from this life to the next.

False.

ALL body’s die.

 

[IndianaRob]

Seems you followed other men, and failed to verify, what they said was true or not.

Seems your reading skills fail you and you continue to lean on your own mindful understanding, which also is a fail.



False.

ALL body’s die.

I agree all bodies die but I’m not going to be in this body when it dies. I’m going to walk through the valley of the SHADOW of death and then the Lord will take me home.

As Jesus said “whosoever believeth in me shall NEVER DIE”.

Enoch understood this.

 

[Taken]

I agree all bodies die but I’m not going to be in this body when it dies. I’m going to walk through the valley of the SHADOW of death and then the Lord will take me home.

As Jesus said “whosoever believeth in me shall NEVER DIE”.

Enoch understood this.

Man is more than his flesh body…consider the mans soul, the mans spirit…
Each have the same Name Identity.
Each have LIFE…
Body….life…blood
Soul…..life…Gods breath
Spirit…life…from it’s seed…mans or Gods

The whole of a “man”, body, soul, spirit does not all DIE…
The body of all men…Must, shall die.
The soul of all men….May or may not die.
The spirit of all men…of a mans seed shall die.

Point…
Speaking in ‘general” terms regarding a man’s DEATH, man’s LIFE, man’s SAlVAtiON, is half -truths.

There IS a difference between men WHO HAVE received their SALVATION…
and men WHO SHALL receive their SALVATION….
and men WHO SHALL lost their SALVATION (because the rejection to TAKE the Salvation bought, paid for, and Offered to them to Take)

Men WHO HAVE received their SALVATION have been made accounted WHOLE…and have ZERO purpose to BE on this EARTH during the last days of God Sending down from Heaven His power, authority, wraths upon the world world and it’s inhabitants.

You (as well as others who share your anti-rapture theory) have never provided ONE Scriptural text proof …
* OF….Men already made WHOLE…being ON this earth during Gods Tribulations….
* Or….a single mention of WHAT they are DOING.

Why not?

 

[IndianaRob]

Man is more than his flesh body…consider the mans soul, the mans spirit…
Each have the same Name Identity.
Each have LIFE…
Body….life…blood
Soul…..life…Gods breath
Spirit…life…from it’s seed…mans or Gods

The whole of a “man”, body, soul, spirit does not all DIE…
The body of all men…Must, shall die.
The soul of all men….May or may not die.
The spirit of all men…of a mans seed shall die.

Point…
Speaking in ‘general” terms regarding a man’s DEATH, man’s LIFE, man’s SAlVAtiON, is half -truths.

There IS a difference between men WHO HAVE received their SALVATION…
and men WHO SHALL receive their SALVATION….
and men WHO SHALL lost their SALVATION (because the rejection to TAKE the Salvation bought, paid for, and Offered to them to Take)

Men WHO HAVE received their SALVATION have been made accounted WHOLE…and have ZERO purpose to BE on this EARTH during the last days of God Sending down from Heaven His power, authority, wraths upon the world world and it’s inhabitants.

You (as well as others who share your anti-rapture theory) have never provided ONE Scriptural text proof …
* OF….Men already made WHOLE…being ON this earth during Gods Tribulations….
* Or….a single mention of WHAT they are DOING.

Why not?

I do provide scriptural proof because these proofs are what changed my view of the rapture.

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Bible version - As Jesus said, whoever believes in Him will never die. There is no such thing as the dead in Christ after the cross.

Rapture version - you will die and that’s who the dead in Christ are.

Bible version - Paul is talking about an event he would (not might) take part in.

Rapture version - Paul was unaware of whether he would be a part of this event or not.

 

[Taken]

I do provide scriptural proof because these proofs are what changed my view of the rapture.

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Yes that applies to those….AS SCRIPTURE SAYS…… IN CHRIST
They are already MADE WHOLE…SANCTIFIED…
Bodily crucified (with Jesus’ body) DEAD…
Soul saved.
Spirit quickened….

But you skipped the verse that applies to those …. IN JESUS…….who are NOT included in the RAPTURE….THEY are included IN the FIRST RESURRECTION, when God raises up those who never became a part of CHRIST’S CHURCH, (while alive in their flesh) ….they DIED believing…without having orally CONFESSED their belief.
(THEY have been dying for centuries believing IN Jesus, but NOT IN Christ….and that will continue THROUGH the last day tribulation, and they raised in the First resurrection.


1 Thes 4:
[14] For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

Christ calls up His Church…RAPTURE
God calls up Believers IN God and His WORD; JESUS….First Resurrection.

Paramount to pay attention to the words…as I expressly already mentioned to you.

Bible version - As Jesus said, whoever believes in Him will never die. There is no such thing as the dead in Christ after the cross.

False…

1 Thes 4:
[16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Rapture version - you will die and that’s who the dead in Christ are.

You contradict your own words!!

Bible version - Paul is talking about an event he would (not might) take part in.

Aside of your lack of understanding the Rapture….you neither understand Paul…

Paul was not unsure of his Salvation…Paul was ashamed of his having Known of Jesus and openly REJECTED Jesus…BEFORE he became a confessed Believer and Servant of Christ Jesus….
Even though Paul was ASHAMED…his teaching was FOR other men in the SAME circumstances….if they are breathing…it is not too late to suck it up, admit their shame, and hop on the glory train of Christ’ Church!

Rapture version - Paul was unaware of whether he would be a part of this event or not.

Disagree. Paul not only BELIEVED, but TAUGHT…the Gospel of Jesus Christ to Jews, Gentiles and Kings…AS Jesus Himself Appointed that task unto Paul who accepted that task….and you think Paul was teaching, preaching to Jews, Gentiles and Kings…what he himself DID NOT BeLieve? Hogwash!

 

[IndianaRob]

Yes that applies to those….AS SCRIPTURE SAYS…… IN CHRIST
They are already MADE WHOLE…SANCTIFIED…
Bodily crucified (with Jesus’ body) DEAD…
Soul saved.
Spirit quickened….

But you skipped the verse that applies to those …. IN JESUS…….who are NOT included in the RAPTURE….THEY are included IN the FIRST RESURRECTION, when God raises up those who never became a part of CHRIST’S CHURCH, (while alive in their flesh) ….they DIED believing…without having orally CONFESSED their belief.
(THEY have been dying for centuries believing IN Jesus, but NOT IN Christ….and that will continue THROUGH the last day tribulation, and they raised in the First resurrection.


1 Thes 4:
[14] For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

Christ calls up His Church…RAPTURE
God calls up Believers IN God and His WORD; JESUS….First Resurrection.

Paramount to pay attention to the words…as I expressly already mentioned to you.



False…

1 Thes 4:
[16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:



You contradict your own words!!



Aside of your lack of understanding the Rapture….you neither understand Paul…

Paul was not unsure of his Salvation…Paul was ashamed of his having Known of Jesus and openly REJECTED Jesus…BEFORE he became a confessed Believer and Servant of Christ Jesus….
Even though Paul was ASHAMED…his teaching was FOR other men in the SAME circumstances….if they are breathing…it is not too late to suck it up, admit their shame, and hop on the glory train of Christ’ Church!



Disagree. Paul not only BELIEVED, but TAUGHT…the Gospel of Jesus Christ to Jews, Gentiles and Kings…AS Jesus Himself Appointed that task unto Paul who accepted that task….and you think Paul was teaching, preaching to Jews, Gentiles and Kings…what he himself DID NOT BeLieve? Hogwash!

Jesus said believers will NEVER die, how do you figure a Christian in heaven with Christ would be considered dead?

 

[Taken]

Jesus said believers will NEVER die, how do you figure a Christian in heaven with Christ would be considered dead?

First of all the term “Christian” is irrelevant.

The “term” Converted IN Christ is paramount.

BODY”s of humans are out of the earth shall, must die and return to the earth.

Dead body’s do not rise up to heaven.
Saved souls and quickened spirits, depart dead body’s and rise up to heaven…

You didn’t pay attention to the WHOLE of a man…
Body’s didn’t come from Heaven..
Souls of men…quickened spirit of men came from Heaven and return to Heaven when it’s body PHYSICALLY….MORTALLY….DIES.
And that body returns to the earth….until it is raised UP.

 

[IndianaRob]

First of all the term “Christian” is irrelevant.

The “term” Converted IN Christ is paramount.

BODY”s of humans are out of the earth shall, must die and return to the earth.

Dead body’s do not rise up to heaven.
Saved souls and quickened spirits, depart dead body’s and rise up to heaven…

You didn’t pay attention to the WHOLE of a man…
Body’s didn’t come from Heaven..
Souls of men…quickened spirit of men came from Heaven and return to Heaven when it’s body PHYSICALLY….MORTALLY….DIES.
And that body returns to the earth….until it is raised UP.

I agree with that. All I’m saying is the only people that could have ever been called the dead in Christ were the Old Testament believers who physically died before Christ came and paid for their sins.

 

[Taken]

I agree with that. All I’m saying is the only people that could have ever been called the dead in Christ were the Old Testament believers who physically died before Christ came and paid for their sins.

OT believers….were men WHO…believed IN God and His Word….
(God Word’s “name” was secret to them…so they could not believe “in JeSUS”….or Gods title of His “power, wisdom, seed”…(CHRIST) was not revealed to them.
They could not have CONFESSED belief IN Jesus, IN Christ…yet they who Believed in God….and mortally (bodily) died believing in God…
God shall raise their body in the First resurrection.

 

[IndianaRob]

OT believers….were men WHO…believed IN God and His Word….
(God Word’s “name” was secret to them…so they could not believe “in JeSUS”….or Gods title of His “power, wisdom, seed”…(CHRIST) was not revealed to them.
They could not have CONFESSED belief IN Jesus, IN Christ…yet they who Believed in God….and mortally (bodily) died believing in God…
God shall raise their body in the First resurrection.

Christ was in the church in the wilderness. The children of Israel drank from the spiritual Rock which was Christ.