The Rapture Cover-up

[IndianaRob]

It was weird, found it when I was young. In my mind it gave me the thought(s) of "everything in the world was on fire and there was like an atomic bomb that caused it." While I get that is possible, I am not totally sure we will go so far to use those types of weapons again considering what we did in Japan. Now I get they could very well still be testing bombs and things like that, and it was such a scare back in the 50s, 60s, or 70ishs, because of fear of nuclear war. We could destroy ourselves, ya know but I don't think it will be by Yeshua, coming back, and God's wrath being poured out on America... because as I was reading EZE last night... and man... Yahavah makes promises to have basically no mercy on their adulterous ways, and destroy them by his Wrath.

Many focus on that one chapter 38-39, well ALL from 1 to the end of EZE are meant to be taken as a whole.

According to the last verse in Ezekiel 39 everything prior to the last verse happened before the day of Pentecost came. Am I wrong on this?

Ezk 39:29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

 

[MA2444]

Brother,
Watch how easy and childlike this is: God calls it faith in His Word.

Can you please post the scripture where JESUS said (any of the following):

a.) I will rapture my Elect/Bride/Church BEFORE the "Abomination of Desolation spoken by Daniel the Prophet"

b.) I will not permit My chosen/elect/saints/Bride/Church to suffer tribulation unto death.

c.) I will rapture my Bride/Saints/Elect/Church BEFORE the 'Day of Jacob's Trouble'.

d.) I have separated Jew from Gentile in the New Covenant

e.) My Saints/Elect/Redeemed Bride/Church will not see or face or suffer from the Antichrist

Chldlike, lol. That reminds me how I learned myself to be able to hear the still small voice of God! I didnt know what I was doing and I read that verse that says you must become as a child to enter into the Kingdom of God. So I figured, what do children do? They play! So I made a game with myself (?) I called it talking to God. And the rules were simple. Just like in the Floor is Lava, the floor Is Lava for the game. A serious rule. So I would start by speaking to Jesus as if He was right there by my side with me. (Which He was and is). So, still small voice of God, that would be inaudible and inside of me, hmm. Ok so whatever I say to the Lord, the very next thing that pops into me head is the Lord's answer to me (the floor is lava!). And I would ask Him a question and then pause and isten for the answer. And it was a little weird sorta ackward and goofy at first but then it was as if, hey that thought that came to me gave me a plausible answer. Sometimes a scripture would pop into my head. SOmetimes He has even changed the subject to the more important consideration that I had missed before! (I asked the wrong question!) And I would play this game all day long. In the morning I would invite Jesus to go to work with me and we talked inbetween service call while I was driving. At some point it turned into a full blown conversation and I double checked a couple things with scripture and what He said never went against scripture. I noticed something else. He always says just the right thing and in just the right way. He for sure doesnt talk like I do or how I think so after paying attention for awhile I started seeing these things.

He talks so differently than I do that it's obvious now when it's Him!
True story. If you ask 1000 people how God speaks to them, you will get 1000 different answers. That's how it happened for me. Talking to Him like my best friend and playing that it is real. Only it turned out to be real. He even likes to small talk sometimes!
I know what His favorite car is, lol.

 

[MatthewG]

According to the last verse in Ezekiel 39 everything prior to the last verse happened before the day of Pentecost came. Am I wrong on this?

I don't know if you are or not. I'll tell you since accepting fulfillment view. Knowing that there is documented history concerning the Roman and Jewish wars, and the temple was tore down like promised. To me, God's wrath was poured out as promised back in EZE.

Many people do not even know about Malachi's promise concerning the DAY OF THE LORD, which would be that day when the wrath would ensue destorying the nation of Israel, and I believe Yahavah used the Romans to get his will done, which was mentioned in EZE.

Just read these few verses I can't remember if this was chapter 6 or some other chapter but just look at it for yourself, this is a NASB.

Idk if it will help you find an answer or not but may the Holy Spirit guide you to truth cause I can't tell you yes or not, but simply show you the evidences I have found.

 

[IndianaRob]

I don't know if you are or not. I'll tell you since accepting fulfillment view. Knowing that there is documented history concerning the Roman and Jewish wars, and the temple was tore down like promised. To me, God's wrath was poured out as promised back in EZE.

Many people do not even know about Malachi's promise concerning the DAY OF THE LORD, which would be that day when the wrath would ensue destorying the nation of Israel, and I believe Yahavah used the Romans to get his will done, which was mentioned in EZE.

Just read these few verses I can't remember if this was chapter 6 or some other chapter but just look at it for yourself, this is a NASB.

Idk if it will help you find an answer or not but may the Holy Spirit guide you to truth cause I can't tell you yes or not, but simply show you the evidences I have found.

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In the Old Testament I look for Jesus or something Jesus does or brings to determine when something happens/happened.

There’s no way Ezekiel 39:7 didn’t happen some time around the cross in my opinion because the Jews pollute Gods Holy name all the way up until God wiped them out.

Ezk 39:7 So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel.

 

[MatthewG]

In the Old Testament I look for Jesus or something Jesus does or brings to determine when something happens/happened.

There’s no way Ezekiel 39:7 didn’t happen some time around the cross in my opinion because the Jews pollute Gods Holy name all the way up until God wiped them out.

Ezk 39:7 So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel.

It's kind of like when Yahavah, mentions his new covenant in Jeremiah. There was a progression, up to the point of destruction, when it comes to Yeshua, he always teaching his apostles concerning the things of the old testament. Then when pentacost came, yes just as it was then, many things started to move forwards into the total destruction of the religion of the 12 tribes of Israel had created for themselves, while some looked to Yahavah, some looked to idols.



This was a promise from Jeremiah, that has come forth today,

The things which Jesus spoke concerning destruction was commonly always talked about from Matthew 22-24, Mark 13?, Luke ?? I can't remember and didn't wanna look but here is the verse.

 

[MatthewG]

@IndianaRob

According to the last verse in Ezekiel 39 everything prior to the last verse happened before the day of Pentecost came. Am I wrong on this?

Ezk 39:29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

You know this also coincides when Paul’s letter to the saints in Rome, this just came to my head I wanted to share with you.

There was material Israel born of Abraham but that didn’t matter, what matters when Christ came was born again, being part of heavenly Israel.

“I am in Christ and I am telling you the truth. I am not lying. And my conscience, ruled by the Holy Spirit, agrees that what I say now is true. I have great sorrow and always feel much sadness for my own people. They are my brothers and sisters, my earthly family. I wish I could help them. I would even have a curse on me and cut myself off from Christ if that would help them. They are the people of Israel, God’s chosen children. They have the glory of God and the agreements he made between himself and his people. God gave them the Law of Moses, the Temple worship, and his promises. They are the descendants of our great fathers, and they are the earthly family of the Messiah, who is God over all things. Praise him forever! Amen. I don’t mean that God failed to keep his promise to the Jewish people. But only some of the people of Israel are really God’s people. And only some of Abraham’s descendants are true children of Abraham. This is what God said to Abraham: “Your true descendants will be those who come through Isaac.” This means that not all of Abraham’s descendants are God’s true children. Abraham’s true children are those who become God’s children because of the promise he made to Abraham.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭9‬:‭1‬-‭8‬ ‭ERV‬‬

In Kjv it probably reads “not all of Israel is Israel “

While all of Israel was from Abraham; only those of faith were part of true Israel which Abraham sought for concerning a home not here but heavenly.

“Sarah was not able to have children, and Abraham was too old. But he had faith in God, trusting him to do what he promised. And so God made them able to have children. Abraham was so old he was almost dead. But from that one man came as many descendants as there are stars in the sky. So many people came from him that they are like grains of sand on the seashore. All these great people continued living with faith until they died. They did not get the things God promised his people. But they were happy just to see those promises coming far in the future. They accepted the fact that they were like visitors and strangers here on earth. When people accept something like that, they show they are waiting for a country that will be their own. If they were thinking about the country they had left, they could have gone back. But they were waiting for a better country—a heavenly country. So God is not ashamed to be called their God. And he has prepared a city for them. God tested Abraham’s faith. God told him to offer Isaac as a sacrifice. Abraham obeyed because he had faith. He already had the promises from God. And God had already said to him, “It is through Isaac that your descendants will come.” But Abraham was ready to offer his only son. He did this because he had faith.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11‬:‭11‬-‭18‬ ‭ERV‬‬

May the Holy Spirit guide! (Added a bit more information) while you were gone IndianaRob. All I can do is report evidences.

 

[MA2444]

Can you please post the scripture where JESUS said (any of the following):

a.) I will rapture my Elect/Bride/Church BEFORE the "Abomination of Desolation spoken by Daniel the Prophet"

b.) I will not permit My chosen/elect/saints/Bride/Church to suffer tribulation unto death.

c.) I will rapture my Bride/Saints/Elect/Church BEFORE the 'Day of Jacob's Trouble'.

d.) I have separated Jew from Gentile in the New Covenant

e.) My Saints/Elect/Redeemed Bride/Church will not see or face or suffer from the Antichrist

Sorry, I forgot some of that post to answer, lol.

A. It doesnt really seem to say iexactly like that. Isaiah 26:20-21
20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.

21 For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.../KJV

This speaks of the tribulation and the great tribulation periods. We get to hide from the tribulation. Where? In the place that He went to prepare for us! He comes for us pretrib and after the rapture we hide from the indignation of what has come upon the world.

B. 1 Thessalonians 5:9
9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,.../KJV

Revelation 3:10
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.../KJV

C. Isaiah 26:20 again. If He doesnt make us go through the time of indignation then it has to be before that starts!

D. Galatians 3:28-29

E. Isaiah 26:20, I Thess 5:9, Rev. 3:10

 

[MA2444]

Now you have drifted from the truth, for we are BOTH, just as the LORD Jesus Christ was BOTH when HE came in the FLESH.

That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon,
and our hands have handled, concerning the Word of life— the life was manifested, and we have seen, and bear witness, and declare to you that eternal life which was with the Father and was manifested to us— that which we have seen and heard we declare to you, that you also may have fellowship with us; and truly our fellowship is with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ.
And these things we write to you that your joy may be full. - 1 John 1:1

So, was we not created in the image of God? We are spirit/soul/body. God is Father/Son/Holy Spirit. I am a spirit, I have a soul and I live in a flesh body. Was Jesus not in God's image either as a man?

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God,
and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God.
And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world. - 1 John 4:1

SEE how easy that was!!!

Not really. What are you showing? That we dont have a spirit? Is the man in the mirror you? Or do you live inside that Flesh Body?

 

[IndianaRob]

Point 2 of the rapture false doctrine.

1 Thessalonians 4​

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

The rapture doctrine and futurism teaches that "those that are alive and remain" are preventing the resurrection and glorification of the Old Testament saints.

We are not preventing them, they were raised with Christ at his resurrection. Again easily proven by J1 Corinthians 15:20.

1 Corinthians 15:20
King James Version​

20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

Christ has become the FIRSTFRUITS (plural) of them that SLEPT (past tense), they no longer SLEPT after the resurrection of Christ.

 

[David in NJ]

Sorry, I forgot some of that post to answer, lol.

A. It doesnt really seem to say iexactly like that. Isaiah 26:20-21
20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.

21 For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.../KJV

This speaks of the tribulation and the great tribulation periods. We get to hide from the tribulation. Where? In the place that He went to prepare for us! He comes for us pretrib and after the rapture we hide from the indignation of what has come upon the world.

B. 1 Thessalonians 5:9
9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,.../KJV

Revelation 3:10
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.../KJV

C. Isaiah 26:20 again. If He doesnt make us go through the time of indignation then it has to be before that starts!

D. Galatians 3:28-29

E. Isaiah 26:20, I Thess 5:9, Rev. 3:10

This speaks of the tribulation and the great tribulation periods.

No, it ABSOLUTELY does not!!! = It speaks of God's Wrath/Judgment upon the wicked.
Please read Revelation chapter 6 and Revelation chapter 19 as they are a repeating Prophecy.

For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,.../KJV

ABSOLUTELY 100% TRUTH
Blood Washed Saints are NOT appointed to God's Wrath = AGREE AGREE AGREE = 1 Thess 5:9

Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.../KJV

ABSOLUTELY 100% TRUTH

Isaiah 26:20 again. If He doesnt make us go through the time of indignation then it has to be before that starts!

His Second Coming is the Resurrection & Rapture that DELIVERS us from the WRATH to come!

Galatians 3:28-29

ABSOLUTE TRUTH

 

[Douggg]

The rapture doctrine and futurism teaches that "those that are alive and remain" are preventing the resurrection and glorification of the Old Testament saints.

No, that is not what the rapture/resurrection doctrine and futurism teaches.

Daniel, for example, his body will be resurrected at the time of the rapture/resurrection. Daniel's soul is presently in heaven with the Lord.

During the three days that Jesus's body lay dead, Jesus descended into the place of the dead and preached to them there, the gospel of salvation, and them who believed ascended to heaven, when Jesus did. Jesus led captivity captive.

Ephesians 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?

10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

 

[David in NJ]

No, that is not what the rapture/resurrection doctrine and futurism teaches.

Daniel, for example, his body will be resurrected at the time of the rapture/resurrection. Daniel's soul is presently in heaven with the Lord.

During the three days that Jesus's body lay dead, Jesus descended into the place of the dead and preached to them there, the gospel of salvation, and them who believed ascended to heaven, when Jesus did. Jesus led captivity captive.

Ephesians 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?

10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

OOPS!

@Dougg,

i just now noticed a error in your post here!

Here it is: "rapture/resurrection"

Do you SEE the ERROR

Maybe it is just an oversight??? so please let me know - thanks

 

[David in NJ]

Point 2 of the rapture false doctrine.

1 Thessalonians 4​

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

The rapture doctrine and futurism teaches that "those that are alive and remain" are preventing the resurrection and glorification of the Old Testament saints.

We are not preventing them, they were raised with Christ at his resurrection. Again easily proven by J1 Corinthians 15:20.

1 Corinthians 15:20​

King James Version​

20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

Christ has become the FIRSTFRUITS (plural) of them that SLEPT (past tense), they no longer SLEPT after the resurrection of Christ.

of them that SLEPT (past tense)

FALSE


Here are the actual words from 1 Corinthians 15:20

[the] firstfruits
ἀπαρχὴ (aparchē)
Noun - Nominative Feminine Singular
Strong's Greek 536: From a compound of apo and archomai; a beginning of sacrifice, i.e. The first-fruit.

of those who
τῶν (tōn)
Article - Genitive Masculine Plural
Strong's Greek 3588: The, the definite article. Including the feminine he, and the neuter to in all their inflections; the definite article; the.

have fallen asleep.
κεκοιμημένων (kekoimēmenōn)
Verb - Perfect Participle Middle or Passive - Genitive Masculine Plural
Strong's Greek 2837: From keimai; to put to sleep, i.e. to slumber; figuratively, to decease

Reminder for you @IndianaRob: It is a sin to lie especially against God's words = Proverbs 30:5-6

 

[IndianaRob]

FALSE


Here are the actual words from 1 Corinthians 15:20

[the] firstfruits
ἀπαρχὴ (aparchē)
Noun - Nominative Feminine Singular
Strong's Greek 536: From a compound of apo and archomai; a beginning of sacrifice, i.e. The first-fruit.

You do realize that Strong is talking about the feast of firstfruits don’t you. It says it right there in the definition you gave.

When the children of Israel gave their firstFRUITS offering do you think they gave only one piece of grain or do you think they gave all of the first picking (the firstfruits of the harvest).

Do you anything about farming or growing a garden? The firstfruits are the first ripened fruit or vegetable. It is usually smaller than the main harvest that comes later in the year but the firstfruits is NEVER one apple or one cucumber.

If you’re gonna go to the Greek at least understand what the Greek is saying before you use it to defend your incorrect view.

of those who
τῶν (tōn)
Article - Genitive Masculine Plural
Strong's Greek 3588: The, the definite article. Including the feminine he, and the neuter to in all their inflections; the definite article; the.

have fallen asleep.
κεκοιμημένων (kekoimēmenōn)
Verb - Perfect Participle Middle or Passive - Genitive Masculine Plural
Strong's Greek 2837: From keimai; to put to sleep, i.e. to slumber; figuratively, to decease

Do you even realize that koimaō only defines sleep? Yeah that’s right the translators have to interpret the first part of the verse in order to determine whether it should be “have fallen asleep” or “were asleep”.

Reminder for you @IndianaRob: It is a sin to lie especially against God's words = Proverbs 30:5-6

God will judge us both so it’s probably best to not get into personal attacks just in case your WRONG.

 

[David in NJ]

You do realize that Strong is talking about the feast of firstfruits don’t you. It says it right there in the definition you gave.

When the children of Israel gave their firstFRUITS offering do you think they gave only one piece of grain or do you think they gave all of the first picking (the firstfruits of the harvest).

Do you anything about farming or growing a garden? The firstfruits are the first ripened fruit or vegetable. It is usually smaller than the main harvest that comes later in the year but the firstfruits is NEVER one apple or one cucumber.

If you’re gonna go to the Greek at least understand what the Greek is saying before you use it to defend your incorrect view.


Do you even realize that koimaō only defines sleep? Yeah that’s right the translators have to interpret the first part of the verse in order to determine whether it should be “have fallen asleep” or “were asleep”.


God will judge us both so it’s probably best to not get into personal attacks just in case your WRONG.

The firstfruits are the first ripened fruit or vegetable. It is usually smaller than the main harvest that comes later in the year but the firstfruits is NEVER one apple or one cucumber.

This is TRUE for earth and the fruit of the earth.
In the SPIRITUAL, there is only One LORD JESUS CHRIST who rose from the dead and became the Firstfruits unto God.
When the LORD Jesus Christ Returns, all who died in Him will be Raised from the graves.

But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.
For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead.
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.
But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming.




If you are going to be taught by God you MUST believe His every word and not change a single one - which you have been doing and that is SIN.

 

[rebuilder 454]

the LORD says, His Blood Washed Sanctified Saints will experience "hell on earth"

a.) John 16:33 - In the world you will have tribulation

b.) John 17:14 - I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.

c.) Matthew 24:9 - they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake.

d.) 1 Thess 3:2 - that no one should be shaken by these afflictions; for you yourselves know that we are appointed to this.
For, in fact, we told you before when we were with you that we would suffer tribulation,

e.) 2 Thess 1:4 - we ourselves boast of you among the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that you endure, which is manifest evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you also suffer

pre-trib rapture NEVER came out of the Mouth of God

Maybe you can get the Lord to apologize to Lot and the baby Jesus.
Both removed and did not experience the hell on earth that took place AFTER REMOVAL.
A huge segment , millions, of Christian Americans have lived and died, that had a peaceful life, no persecution, no hell on earth, and are in heaven now..
Stop acting like God is mistaken in his own pretrib rapture verses.

Every rapture verse is peacetime, commerce, normal life.
Nowhere is lot, the baby Jesus, or Noah, gathered AFTER HELL ON EARTH.
You are saying they are...ERRONEOUSLY, and you have no red flags.
Huh?
Postrib is poorly thought out.
In fact, you have zero postrib rapture verses.
Not a single one.

 

[rebuilder 454]

That's great, Brother! All serious topics need an injection of humour every once in awhile, lol.




Most of it is foreign to all of us brother. We were all born of water on the earth and can only see the material world, which is the lie and we are to look to the unseen and find it, Believe in it, and believe in Him. And you know as well as I do that it takes 50 years on tis planet to even get a clue! No matter how much we think we know, our best intellect is foolishness before God. I used to think I was the smart kid. Everybdy told me so. I have a 136 IQ...and it was useless to me because it has not entered into the mind of man how much there is to this. How much, there is to, God.

I have Him do some mighty strange things! Things that, there could not be another answer except, the Lord. So I have accepted that. He taught me about the story of His triumphant entry into jerusalem on the donkey which had never known a burden or ever been trained.
The donkey is us Brother. He will ride an untrained clueless donkey to victory in us, if we allow Him to.
I understand how Abraham must have felt. He didnt know where he was going or what would happen, he was clueless! Moses too! But God kept the promise right in front of Abraham. ...As many children as sand that numbers the seashore...now go into the desert and look at the sand! I feel just like that, lol. But I trust Him and He proved that He always comes through in some way. Many times in not the way that I would expect for Him to.

They ( postribbers) all change the parable of the virgins.
Then claim their Doctrine is correct.

 

[David in NJ]

Maybe you can get the Lord to apologize to Lot and the baby Jesus.
Both removed and did not experience the hell on earth that took place AFTER REMOVAL.
A huge segment , millions, of Christian Americans have lived and died, that had a peaceful life, no persecution, no hell on earth, and are in heaven now..
Stop acting like God is mistaken in his own pretrib rapture verses.

Every rapture verse is peacetime, commerce, normal life.
Nowhere is lot, the baby Jesus, or Noah, gathered AFTER HELL ON EARTH.
You are saying they are...ERRONEOUSLY, and you have no red flags.
Huh?
Postrib is poorly thought out.
In fact, you have zero postrib rapture verses.
Not a single one.

Maybe you can get the Lord to apologize to Lot and the baby Jesus.

Question: Does the LORD Jesus Christ "know" you?

I am not asking if HE knows of your existence, for HE knows all things and nothing is hidden from His eyes!

I am asking you, does the LORD Jesus Christ "know" you?

 

[WPM]

They ( postribbers) all change the parable of the virgins.
Then claim their Doctrine is correct.

• Does Jesus have 5 or 10 brides in your estimation?
• Do you have to be a female virgin to make the rapture?
• Do you have to have a literal lamp burning with oil at the actual moment Jesus comes to perform your Pretrib rapture?

 

[WPM]

Every rapture verse is peacetime, commerce, normal life.
Nowhere is lot, the baby Jesus, or Noah, gathered AFTER HELL ON EARTH.
You are saying they are...ERRONEOUSLY, and you have no red flags.
Huh?
Postrib is poorly thought out.
In fact, you have zero postrib rapture verses.
Not a single one.

If the day of the Lord in 1 Thessalonians 5:3 relates to a third coming, as most Pretribbers argue, and they relate this to the event of Revelation 19, then why is this describing the wicked, who are experiencing the 7 years tribulation, as declaring “Peace and safety”? Surely this is a period of the wrath of God being poured out on all those left behind according to Pretrib theology?