The Rapture Cover-up

[IndianaRob]

I absolutely am not. Don't make claims that you can't back up.


Yes, those 2 were saying that the mass bodily resurrection of the dead in Christ that scripture teaches will happen at Christ's second coming had already happened. That is clear. Don't tell me I'm adding to what's written. You clearly don't have a clue about this, so just step back and learn something instead of continuing to believe your nonsense.


What are you even saying? Are you unable to communicate clearly. Stop messing around and get to the point. What are you saying?


Nonsense. Paul said that the dead in Christ will be raised at the same time and then they, along with those who are alive and remain will TOGETHER be caught up to meet the Lord in the air when He comes. Plain as day. You deny the most obvious things in scripture imaginable, so I can't help but wonder if you understand ANYTHING in scripture correctly if you can't even understand simple things like this.


Total gibberish. Are you afraid to specify what in the world you are even talking about here? You act like you have something to hide. There's no reason to be so vague. What is your point?

I give up man you’re a hopeless case.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I give up man you’re a hopeless case.

The feeling is mutual. If you insist on denying obvious things like what Paul taught about the dead in Christ and those who are alive and remain unto the second coming of Christ TOGETHER being caught up to Him AT THE SAME TIME, then you are probably beyond hope yourself. The only hope is if you humble yourself and ask God for wisdom, so please do so (James 1:5-7).

 

[David in NJ]

That the corporate mass bodily resurrection of the dead in Christ had already occurred. You are making a similar error by denying that there will be a future corporate mass bodily resurrection of the dead, as scripture clearly teaches there will be (Daniel 12:2, John 5:28-29, 1 Thess 4:14-17, 1 Cor 15:22-23, 1 Cor 15:51-52).

Thank you for the 'back-up' as i was out with family.

 

[David in NJ]

Simple question David what was their error?

2Ti 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

Special thanks to = From Post #178

"That the corporate mass bodily resurrection of the dead in Christ had already occurred. You are making a similar error by denying that there will be a future corporate mass bodily resurrection of the dead, as scripture clearly teaches there will be (Daniel 12:2, John 5:28-29, 1 Thess 4:14-17, 1 Cor 15:22-23, 1 Cor 15:51-52)."

 

[Phoneman777]

The soul of man is what we would call our humanness IN OUR IMMATERIAL PART. iT IS OUR THINKING, FEELINGS, ABILITY TO RATIONALIZE ETC.ETC.ETC.

I agree. The "Soul" is the "I" the "ego" the "self" - but that doesn't undo the fact that a "Soul" is the product of the union of the Body and Breath of Life, and thus can't continue to exist after the disunion thereof.

Only the saved have their spirit alive. Unsaved man is just a soul and body.\

Actually, all creatures aka "souls" are comprised of a Body and the Breath of Life aka Spirit of Life. Solomon says there's no difference between the spirit of man or animal - because it's the "spirit" that animates the inanimate.

The Transformers movie ripped off the truth of God by substituting "Breath of Life" with the "All Spark" which animates cell phones, computers, machinery, whatever - that power belongs exclusively to God and returns to God when whatever it has animated dies.

The Spirit returns to God, the Body to the dust, and the Soul ceases to be.

Ephesians makes that clear. So we do not lose our personality when we are in heaven.

Yes, but we don't go to heaven until God breathes His Breath of Life into the Body He's prepared for us on resurrection morning :)

 

[David in NJ]

I agree. The "Soul" is the "I" the "ego" the "self" - but that doesn't undo the fact that a "Soul" is the product of the union of the Body and Breath of Life, and thus can't continue to exist after the disunion thereof.

Actually, all creatures aka "souls" are comprised of a Body and the Breath of Life aka Spirit of Life. Solomon says there's no difference between the spirit of man or animal - because it's the "spirit" that animates the inanimate.

The Transformers movie ripped off the truth of God by substituting "Breath of Life" with the "All Spark" which animates cell phones, computers, machinery, whatever - that power belongs exclusively to God and returns to God when whatever it has animated dies.

The Spirit returns to God, the Body to the dust, and the Soul ceases to be.

Yes, but we don't go to heaven until God breathes His Breath of Life into the Body He's prepared for us on resurrection morning :)

Our souls are attached to our spirit.

Then it is placed inside the physical body.

Here is the order: spirit, soul, body

Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. - 1 Thess 5:23

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I agree. The "Soul" is the "I" the "ego" the "self" - but that doesn't undo the fact that a "Soul" is the product of the union of the Body and Breath of Life, and thus can't continue to exist after the disunion thereof.

Actually, all creatures aka "souls" are comprised of a Body and the Breath of Life aka Spirit of Life. Solomon says there's no difference between the spirit of man or animal - because it's the "spirit" that animates the inanimate.

The Transformers movie ripped off the truth of God by substituting "Breath of Life" with the "All Spark" which animates cell phones, computers, machinery, whatever - that power belongs exclusively to God and returns to God when whatever it has animated dies.

This says it all about how you look at things. You think the makers of a Transformers movie can discern the truth of God? LOL. The movie was made by Bible scholars, was it? Or was it just made by SDAs?

Do you go around in every thread spreading your false doctrine of soul sleep while denying that human beings are made up of body, soul and spirit?

1 Thessalonians 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

You try to hard to get around this verse, but it can't be done! Paul very clearly differentiated here between the 3 parts of a human being, which are body, soul and spirit. In order for God to sanctify you wholly required Him to sanctify your whole spirit and soul and body.

Can you please share that analogy again that you showed me when we've talked about this before? I'd like everyone reading this thread to see exactly how you interpret that verse.

The Spirit returns to God, the Body to the dust, and the Soul ceases to be.

Nonsense! John saw the souls of physically dead believers in heaven, as indicated in Revelation 6:9-11 and Revelation 20:4 and they were conscious. You are blatantly contradicting scripture.

Yes, but we don't go to heaven until God breathes His Breath of Life into the Body He's prepared for us on resurrection morning :)

So, John was just seeing things when he saw the souls of the dead in Christ in heaven? You expect us to believe that nonsense?

 

[IndianaRob]

Special thanks to = From Post #178

"That the corporate mass bodily resurrection of the dead in Christ had already occurred. You are making a similar error by denying that there will be a future corporate mass bodily resurrection of the dead, as scripture clearly teaches there will be (Daniel 12:2, John 5:28-29, 1 Thess 4:14-17, 1 Cor 15:22-23, 1 Cor 15:51-52)."

I changed resurrection to kingdom of God. What’s their error now?

Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the kingdom of God is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

 

[David in NJ]

I changed resurrection to kingdom of God. What’s their error now?

Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the kingdom of God is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

LORD Jesus Christ is the Kingdom of God.

Therefore, the SAME falsehood/lie/cancer is being committed.

 

[IndianaRob]

LORD Jesus Christ is the Kingdom of God.

Therefore, the SAME falsehood/lie/cancer is being committed.

If the same sentence is talking about the kingdom of God then it doesn’t say the kingdom of God has come and gone.

But for some reason if it’s talking about the resurrection then it means the resurrection has come and gone.

 

[David in NJ]

If the same sentence is talking about the kingdom of God then it doesn’t say the kingdom of God has come and gone.

But for some reason if it’s talking about the resurrection then it means the resurrection has come and gone.

Who are the people saying "it has come and gone"?

 

[rebuilder 454]

my Brother,
Those Saints in Rev ch7 came "out of the Great Tribulation" were martyred = "they washed their robes in the Blood of Christ"

Rev 7:14 = "out of"
ἐκ (ek)
Preposition
Strong's Greek 1537: From out, out from among, from, suggesting from the interior outwards.
A primary preposition denoting origin, from, out.

Not the beginning(pre-trib) but from INSIDE/DURING the Great Tribulation

These are the saints whom God said: "until the rest of your brethren are killed as you were" = Rev 6:11

Yes during the gt.
They were killed during the gt.
Did not make it to the end.
They were killed for refusing the mark.
No postrib rapture.
No saints to rapture.
Mat 24 and 25 illustrates those left behind.
Millions killed that missed the rapture.

 

[David in NJ]

Yes during the gt.
They were killed during the gt.
Did not make it to the end.
They were killed for refusing the mark.
No postrib rapture.
No saints to rapture.
Mat 24 and 25 illustrates those left behind.
Millions killed that missed the rapture.

Good Morning Brother,

Mat 24 and 25 illustrates those left behind.

The only people "left behind" are the ones whom the LORD does not "know" - Matt 25:12
Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open to us!’
But he answered and said, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, I do not know you.’

The LORD will not leave one of His Sheep behind - Luke 15:3

“What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and neighbors, saying to them, ‘Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance."

The LORD will not leave one of His Sheep behind - Hebrews 13:6

Let your conduct be without covetousness; be content with such things as you have.
For He Himself has said, “I will never leave you nor forsake you.”
So we may boldly say:
“The Lord is my helper;
I will not fear.
What can man do to me?”

My Brother in Christ = BELIEVE His every word

 

[IndianaRob]

Who are the people saying "it has come and gone"?

Nobody said the kingdom of heaven has come and gone, it was an example of how the meaning of “past already” means one thing when the subject is the resurrection and “past already” means something else when the subject is the kingdom of heaven.

The subject has no bearing on what “past already” means. It could mean an event was mistaken as the resurrection or it could mean the resurrection started with the resurrection of Christ and the Old Testament saints and runs continuously afterwards.

Most people assume the resurrection is a one time event and the error of Hymenaeus and Philetus was that it had already happened but that verse doesn’t say that.

 

[MA2444]

Well, it was Moses and Elijah at the Transfiguration, so that is who they assume it is.

But we know that Moses died and God hid his body from the idol worshippers.

Deuteronomy 34:5 - So Moses the servant of the Lord died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the Lord.
And He buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, opposite Beth Peor; but no one knows his grave to this day.

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Oh that's right huh?
That's what happens when one posts before coffee lol.

Moses & Elijah!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I agree. The "Soul" is the "I" the "ego" the "self" - but that doesn't undo the fact that a "Soul" is the product of the union of the Body and Breath of Life, and thus can't continue to exist after the disunion thereof.
Actually, all creatures aka "souls" are comprised of a Body and the Breath of Life aka Spirit of Life. Solomon says there's no difference between the spirit of man or animal - because it's the "spirit" that animates the inanimate.

Well it depends how you define "breath of life" all other creatures were spoken into existence, while god breathed into man alone His breath.

Just remember Paul prayed a blessing on all three separate parts of a person.

1 Thessalonians 5:23
And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

A human soul is quantitatively and qualitatively different than all other souls.

 

[David in NJ]

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Oh that's right huh?
That's what happens when one posts before coffee lol.

Moses & Elijah!

Go out and get yourself a TRIPLE shot expresso!!!

"Now after six days Jesus took Peter, James, and John his brother, led them up on a high mountain by themselves; and He was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and His clothes became as white as the light.
And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him."
Matt 17:3

 

[rebuilder 454]

Good Morning Brother,


The only people "left behind" are the ones whom the LORD does not "know" - Matt 25:12
Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open to us!’
But he answered and said, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, I do not know you.’

The LORD will not leave one of His Sheep behind - Luke 15:3

“What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and neighbors, saying to them, ‘Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance."

The LORD will not leave one of His Sheep behind - Hebrews 13:6

Let your conduct be without covetousness; be content with such things as you have.
For He Himself has said, “I will never leave you nor forsake you.”
So we may boldly say:
“The Lord is my helper;
I will not fear.
What can man do to me?”

My Brother in Christ = BELIEVE His every word

All the apostles save John were killed by the devil...as are the ones left behind.

Jesus told the foolish versions I know you not. There are marriages all over the United States where the partners are in a maintenance relationship and it is said in conversation by one partner to the other I don't know you. They're not saying that they don't know them as a person, they are saying that they are not intimately involved. The relationship that is sterile and superficial. So that's what's going on and what we see in modern Christianity, sterile and superficial believers that are not committed to building God's kingdom or intimacy with Jesus.

 

[David in NJ]

They're not saying that they don't know them as a person, they are saying that they are not intimately involved. The relationship that is sterile and superficial. So that's what's going on and what we see in modern Christianity, sterile and superficial believers that are not committed to building God's kingdom or intimacy with Jesus.

100% AGREE

GOSPEL = ONLY in the Marriage Bed the LORD "KNOW" His Bride!

the five foolish are NOT saved believers = Jesus says: "I do not know you"

A.) “And you, my son Solomon, acknowledge the God of your father, and serve him with wholehearted devotion and with a willing mind, for the LORD searches every heart and understands every desire and every thought.
If you seek him, he will be found by you; but if you forsake him, He will reject you forever."

B.) “The heart is deceitful above all things,
And desperately wicked;
Who can know it?
I, the Lord, search the heart,
I test the mind,
Even to give every man according to his ways,
According to the fruit of his doings.

C. "“Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open to us!’
But he answered and said, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, I do not know you.’

 

[rebuilder 454]

100% AGREE

GOSPEL = ONLY in the Marriage Bed the LORD "KNOW" His Bride!

the five foolish are NOT saved believers = Jesus says: "I do not know you"

A.) “And you, my son Solomon, acknowledge the God of your father, and serve him with wholehearted devotion and with a willing mind, for the LORD searches every heart and understands every desire and every thought.
If you seek him, he will be found by you; but if you forsake him, He will reject you forever."

B.) “The heart is deceitful above all things,
And desperately wicked;
Who can know it?
I, the Lord, search the heart,
I test the mind,
Even to give every man according to his ways,
According to the fruit of his doings.

C. "“Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open to us!’
But he answered and said, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, I do not know you.’

The foolish virgins can ONLY BE believers.

Sinners have :
* No light
*No oil
* Do not sleep with on fire solstice out
believers
* are NOT watching /waiting for Jesus.
* no Interest in asking for oil( the Holy Spirit).
* Jesus would NEVER tell a unbeliever to go and get the Holy Spirit.
* A heathen unbeliever would never notice the Holy Spirit is no longer with them and ask a onfire believer to refill them with the Holy Spirit ,that they suddenly realized is gone.

IOW the parable will need to be COMPLETELY DISMANTLED, to modify it to say ;" the foolish are heathen unbelievers"

They are WITHOUT DOUBT vividly portrayed as believers. Nominal, shallow, uncommitted, believers that lost their first love.