The Rapture Cover-up

[IndianaRob]

@David in NJ

This is very important depending on how you answer.

You posted “For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.”

Is that verse talking about the resurrection of your dead body or is it talking about your soul passing from death to life because you accepted Christ?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You’re waiting for a resurrection and second coming that has already happened.

The resurrection of Christ was the second coming.

This is absolute nonsense. The dead in Christ will all be resurrected at the same time when Jesus comes in the future as Paul taught in 1 Corinthians 15:22-23 and 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17. You are contradicting clear scripture and I wish I knew why. Were you taught this or did you come up with it yourself?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

"their message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort,
who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past;
and they overthrow the faith of some." 2 Timothy 2:17

Absolutely. IndianaRob is a modern day Hymanaeus and Philetus. He has strayed concerning the truth. Pray for him because he is completely blind regarding this. He is promoting heresy.

 

[David in NJ]

It’s ironic that you brought this up because your error is the exact same error as Hymenaeus and Philetus.

They saw the dead bodies come out of the ground when Christ died. They saw them stand to their feet and walk the streets Jerusalem on the third day. They ASSUMED the resurrection was over and done with, in the past.

What they didn’t understand was that was just the BEGINNING of a perpetual resurrection of the SOUL.

That’s why Jesus said I am the resurrection.

You have been indoctrinated by a modern day 'Hymenaeus and Philetus.'

 

[David in NJ]

Absolutely. IndianaRob is a modern day Hymanaeus and Philetus. He has strayed concerning the truth. Pray for him because he is completely blind regarding this. He is promoting heresy.

You beat me to the 'punch'!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

It’s ironic that you brought this up because your error is the exact same error as Hymenaeus and Philetus.

They saw the dead bodies come out of the ground when Christ died. They saw them stand to their feet and walk the streets Jerusalem on the third day. They ASSUMED the resurrection was over and done with, in the past.

What they didn’t understand was that was just the BEGINNING of a perpetual resurrection of the SOUL.

That’s why Jesus said I am the resurrection.

Their bodies were resurrected, not their souls. You are horribly confuzed (why does it put confused when we spell confuzed correctly?).

 

[David in NJ]

Absolutely. IndianaRob is a modern day Hymanaeus and Philetus. He has strayed concerning the truth. Pray for him because he is completely blind regarding this. He is promoting heresy.

Will do.

Though we are separated by distance , we are not separated in the Holy Spirit = we shall both pray for him.

 

[David in NJ]

@David in NJ

This is very important depending on how you answer.

You posted “For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.”

Is that verse talking about the resurrection of your dead body or is it talking about your soul passing from death to life because you accepted Christ?

Please read and pray for understanding 1 Corinthians chapter 15

 

[IndianaRob]

Their bodies were resurrected, not their souls. You are horribly confuzed (why does it put confused when we spell confuzed correctly?).

What do you mean their souls weren’t resurrected? What is your idea of a soul resurrection?

The soul resurrection takes place when Christ pays for your sins? That means the souls of the OT saints were raised when Christ paid the sin debt.

What do you mean by this?

 

[IndianaRob]

Please read and pray for understanding 1 Corinthians chapter 15

I prayed for understanding on that years ago and God gave it to me.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

What do you mean their souls weren’t resurrected? What is your idea of a soul resurrection?

A person's soul would have to die in order to be resurrected. But, souls don't die. It talks about their BODIES being resurrected, not their souls. Good grief. Please tell me who taught you the foolish nonsense that you believe in? Anyone? Or did you just make it all up yourself?

The soul resurrection takes place when Christ pays for your sins? That means the souls of the OT saints were raised when Christ paid the sin debt.

What do you mean by this?

You make no distinction between the soul and the body? Nothing you say makes any sense.

 

[IndianaRob]

A person's soul would have to die in order to be resurrected. But, souls don't die. It talks about their BODIES being resurrected, not their souls. Good grief. Please tell me who taught you the foolish nonsense that you believe in? Anyone? Or did you just make it all up yourself?


You make no distinction between the soul and the body? Nothing you say makes any sense.

So you’re telling me that you don’t believe our souls are dead in sin and trespasses and it needs to be resurrected to life?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

So you’re telling me that you don’t believe our souls are dead in sin and trespasses and it needs to be resurrected to life?

Before we're saved our souls are not literally dead, no. Going from being dead in sins to alive in Christ is a figurative way of describing salvation. Our souls are not literally dead and then resurrected. The salvation experience is described as a new birth, not a resurrection. We are born of the Holy Spirit, not resurrected of the Holy Spirit.

When someone is dead in sins it means that their sin separates them from having a personal relationship with God. When one repents and puts their faith in Christ they then begin a personal relationship with God and are no longer dead in sins (no longer separated from God). Being dead in sins doesn't mean our souls and/or spirits are literally dead and then literally resurrected to life. That's ridiculous. If you want to see going from dead in sins to being alive in Christ as a figurative resurrection of sorts, you can, but it's not a literal resurrection of our soul.

 

[David in NJ]

I prayed for understanding on that years ago and God gave it to me.

It wasn't God.

God does not lie = Hebrews 6:18
"That by two immutable things, in which it is impossible for God to lie, we might have strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold of the hope set before us."

Every false teaching that there is, past/present/future, has already been EXPOSED in the WORD for our protection.


EXPOSED by the WORD
"their message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort,
who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past;
and they overthrow the faith of some." 2 Timothy 2:17

 

[IndianaRob]

Before we're saved our souls are not literally dead, no. Going from being dead in sins to alive in Christ is a figurative way of describing salvation. Our souls are not literally dead and then resurrected. The salvation experience is described as a new birth, not a resurrection. We are born of the Holy Spirit, not resurrected of the Holy Spirit.

When someone is dead in sins it means that their sin separates them from having a personal relationship with God. When one repents and puts their faith in Christ they then begin a personal relationship with God and are no longer dead in sins (no longer separated from God). Being dead in sins doesn't mean our souls and/or spirits are literally dead and then literally resurrected to life. That's ridiculous. If you want to see going from dead in sins to being alive in Christ as a figurative resurrection of sorts, you can, but it's not a literal resurrection of our soul.

Yeah souls aren’t something that literally dies, I didn’t say they did. The soul is in a condition that the Bible calls dead and it has to be resurrected to new life.

The reason I brought that up was because you said in an earlier post that the resurrection at the cross was a bodily resurrection and the OT souls hadn’t been raised.

If their souls weren’t raised then where are they now?

 

[IndianaRob]

It wasn't God.

God does not lie = Hebrews 6:18
"That by two immutable things, in which it is impossible for God to lie, we might have strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold of the hope set before us."

Every false teaching that there is, past/present/future, has already been EXPOSED in the WORD for our protection.


EXPOSED by the WORD
"their message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort,
who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past;
and they overthrow the faith of some." 2 Timothy 2:17

Simple question David what was their error?

2Ti 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Yeah souls aren’t something that literally dies, I didn’t say they did.

But, you were talking about souls being resurrected. They can't be resurrected if they don't die.

The soul is in a condition that the Bible calls dead and it has to be resurrected to new life.

Figuratively speaking, sure. But, so what? In 1 Corinthians 15, Paul is not talking about a figurative resurrection he talks about the literal resurrection of the body. Where you get the idea that he talks about the resurrection of the soul there is beyond me.

The reason I brought that up was because you said in an earlier post that the resurrection at the cross was a bodily resurrection and the OT souls hadn’t been raised.

If their souls weren’t raised then where are they now?

They weren't literally raised from the dead since they weren't literally dead. Right? They were brought to paradise/the third heaven. You can't call that a resurrection. Christ was bodily resurrected. According to Paul, He was the first to be bodily resurrected with the context being He was the first to be bodily resurrected unto bodily immortality (1 Cor 15:20-23, Acts 26:23). At His future second coming all of the dead in Christ will be resurrected unto bodily immortality at the same time when the last trumpet sounds (1 Cor 15:51-52).

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Simple question David what was their error?

2Ti 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

That the corporate mass bodily resurrection of the dead in Christ had already occurred. You are making a similar error by denying that there will be a future corporate mass bodily resurrection of the dead, as scripture clearly teaches there will be (Daniel 12:2, John 5:28-29, 1 Thess 4:14-17, 1 Cor 15:22-23, 1 Cor 15:51-52).

 

[IndianaRob]

That the corporate mass bodily resurrection of the dead in Christ had already occurred. You are making a similar error by denying that there will be a future corporate mass bodily resurrection of the dead, as scripture clearly teaches there will be (Daniel 12:2, John 5:28-29, 1 Thess 4:14-17, 1 Cor 15:22-23, 1 Cor 15:51-52).

Nope you’re adding to what’s written.

The Bible says they erred in saying the resurrection is PAST ALREADY (done, complete, finished).

I don’t see how you can be an avid reader of the Bible and not see exactly what’s going on with that verse. That verse is like a huge billboard from God saying hey look here, why would I tell you the resurrection isn’t past already… now go find out from other scripture why I gave you that tidbit of information.

This is why you and disagree so much, you ignore the nuances, you ignore all the keys that God lays out to unlock the deep mysteries that God has hidden from the world.

God uses the nuances to CONCEAL things.

Pro 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Nope you’re adding to what’s written.

I absolutely am not. Don't make claims that you can't back up.

The Bible says they erred in saying the resurrection is PAST ALREADY (done, complete, finished).

Yes, those 2 were saying that the mass bodily resurrection of the dead in Christ that scripture teaches will happen at Christ's second coming had already happened. That is clear. Don't tell me I'm adding to what's written. You clearly don't have a clue about this, so just step back and learn something instead of continuing to believe your nonsense.

I don’t see how you can be an avid reader of the Bible and not see exactly what’s going on with that verse. That verse is like a huge billboard from God saying hey look here, why would I tell you the resurrection isn’t past already… now go find out from other scripture why I gave you that tidbit of information.

What are you even saying? Are you unable to communicate clearly. Stop messing around and get to the point. What are you saying?

This is why you and disagree so much, you ignore the nuances, you ignore all the keys that God lays out to unlock the deep mysteries that God has hidden from the world.

Nonsense. Paul said that the dead in Christ will be raised at the same time and then they, along with those who are alive and remain will TOGETHER be caught up to meet the Lord in the air when He comes. Plain as day. You deny the most obvious things in scripture imaginable, so I can't help but wonder if you understand ANYTHING in scripture correctly if you can't even understand simple things like this.

God uses the nuances to CONCEAL things.

Pro 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

Total gibberish. Are you afraid to specify what in the world you are even talking about here? You act like you have something to hide. There's no reason to be so vague. What is your point?