The Myth of saying that Jesus Christ died for all men without exception !
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<<<Do you not know that the Holy Spirit brings to life the Gospel in the heart of hearer who is dead to God?>>>
Supporting reference scriptures please.
Do you not know that Jesus said His sheep hear His voice and those who are not His sheep don’t? (John 10:26-27)
Tong
R2170
This is the strawman. It doesn't exist. Not in the way you imagine it. God could not be angry at people and kill all but one family if the rest could not be saved because he didn't " elect" them.
Because she had great faith. Not because he implanted great faith in her, but because she chose to believe.
You want proof, here it is, but you and all of the rest of you will deny it. May God have mercy on you!
Eph. 1:13
"In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,"
There it is, you heard the Gospel, you believed the Gospel, you received the Holy Spirit!
No let's see you deny it, there is no doubt you will deny it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So are you suggesting that God does not choose by that which is consistent to His nature, His Deity? Well,....
<<<God could not be angry at people and kill all but one family if the rest could not be saved because he didn't " elect" them.>>>
Why could He not do as He please? Could He not elect only 8 out of all the peoples in the generation of Noah? It seems that you know better and is wiser and more just and righteous than God? Are you suggesting that God was unrighteous in killing all including little children, but a family of 8 who likewise were with sin like the rest and were spared by the grace of election?
Tong
R2173
Then it seems to me that you have a problem with the different ministries of the three distinct persons of God. And perhaps even with Jesus’ humanity and Deity. For if there isn’t then you will understand what i am saying concerning that.
Tong
R2174
Of course it does.
"You stubborn people! You are heathen at heart and deaf to the truth. Must you forever resist the Holy Spirit? That’s what your ancestors did, and so do you!"
Isaiah 63:10
But they rebelled
And grieved His Holy Spirit;
Therefore He turned Himself to become their enemy,
He fought against them.
Ephesians 4:30
Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
They were spared because Noah was a righteous man. Not because God randomly chose them out of all the people on the Earth.
No, I have a problem with the idea that God just zaps some people with faith. It's not biblical. And it makes no sense whatsoever to commend them for their faith if that's the case, yet we have a whole chapter in the Bible doing just that. Hebrews 11.
I don’t deny scriptures. What I deny is your view or interpretation of it.
Where in there that it tells us that the Holy Spirit brings to life the Gospel in the heart of hearer who is dead to God?
Now, consider this scriptures:
John 10:26 But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you.
Jesus said the reason they don’t believe that He is the Christ, is because they are not His sheep. What does that tell you? Does that not tell you that there are sheep of Jesus and not sheep of Jesus among Israel? Do you not understand by that, that those who believe that He is the Christ, believe because they are His sheep and not that they become sheep because they believe?
Now, take that truth and see what it does with what you contend there.
Tong
R2175
Did you not read Acts 10, how that the preaching of the Gospel of Christ by Peter opened their eyes to Christ?
They knew God and worshipped Him, but they didn't know the One (Christ) whereby we must be saved.
That's why the angel sent Peter to them, to hear the Gospel of Christ to be saved.
It was the Holy Spirit who made the Gospel (the Word of God) real in their hearts.
Heb. 4:12
"For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart."
None of those scriptures teach what you teach that they rejected Jesus as the Christ and did not believe because “they chose not to be sheep.”
But here consider this scriptures:
John 10:26 But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you.
Jesus said the reason they don’t believe that He is the Christ, is because they are not His sheep. What does that tell you? Does that not tell you that there are sheep of Jesus and not sheep of Jesus among Israel? Do you not understand by that, that those who believe that He is the Christ, believe because they are His sheep and not that they become sheep because they believe?
Tong
R2176
They didn't believe because He was not the Christ they wanted, the suffering Messiah for the sins of the world.
They wanted the conquering Messiah to overthrow Rome.
God didn't pass them by, they chose of their own free will to deny Jesus as the Christ.
That’s what you want to believe, I can understand that. And such belief makes Noah and his family deserving to be saved because he is a righteous man? Or does not scripture say that He found grace in God that He and his family were spared?
And no one here is saying what your straw man is saying, that God randomly chose them out from the rest of the peoples in the generation of Noah.
Tong
R2177
Well your problem then is not with me, for that is not my view. I’ve repeatedly told you my view, so I will not repeat it here.
Tong
R2178
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