The mark of the Man/beast

[Spiritual Israelite]

I must assume you're speaking of YOURSELF! Because you appear to be the one, perhaps unknowingly, speaking lies, spreading false doctrine. You've been repeatedly asked to prove what you allege, and so far instead of showing proof of your doctrine you choose to malign and accuse brothers/sisters in Christ, as though you have been given the ability to see man's heart.

Exactly. The one speaking lies here is the one condemning other people for merely having a different interpretation of some Bible prophecy than he does. He needs to repent of that or he is headed for a fall. We should be humbled to receive wisdom from God, not puffed up with pride while acting like anyone who disagrees with us is condemned to hell.

 

[MatthewG]

The number 666 is not the number of a man, it's the number of mankind. The beast is not a man, it's a kingdom. Prophetic beasts are kingdoms (Daniel 7:23). The number 666 reflects that mankind falls short of God's standards. It's well known that the number 7 represents completeness and perfection which is why you see it used in relation to the things of God frequently in the book of Revelation.

Hello, I have read it differently. You may suggest otherwise. I’m a person who fully believes Jesus has already come. Thank you for sharing your reasonings and thoughts, SI.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

I don’t think that helps, but thank you anyway and you have a good day. Keep studying and may you be able to figure out an answer, it would have to correlate with them receiving the letter of revelation before the destruction of Israel.

I am certain of the interpretation. As far as the Nero theory goes. How do you get the victory over the mark, the name, and the image of Nero? It makes no sense.

Also the name Nero is not 666. In order to force a meaning they transliterated the name Nero from Greek to Hebrew and change the name to Neron in order to get it to add up to 666. But believe what you will.

 

[MatthewG]

I am certain of the interpretation. As far as the Nero theory goes. How do you get the victory over the mark, the name, and the image of Nero? It makes no sense.

Also the name Nero is not 666. In order to force a meaning they transliterated the name Nero from Greek to Hebrew and change the name to Neron in order to get it to add up to 666. But believe what you will.

Will do, thank you sir.

There is a lot of victory over not cheating on God and having the true Lord God Almighty on your mind and not subdued by the governing party killing off your fellow mates who claimed Christ. Cause the victory was set forth in the afterlife with rewards and a resurrected body, into a kingdom which had been set up.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Well, it is not me who is rewriting the word of God to make it their own word, that is on you. Also all your deflecting and diverting, instead of just having a simple conversation, is the mark of all on this forum who are steeped in some deception.

Who is rewriting the word of God? All I am doing is building upon that which is already written.

“For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.

10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.

11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.”

 

[MatthewG]

I believe Israel and Rome made a deal but you could only pay homage to Nero as the Lord God and you received a mark or a ticket, you could also says a mark on the mind is a persons attitude towards Nero as being God compared to God being God, the one of Israel, @Stewardofthemystery. That’s kind of the whole context of revelation is the whole divorcement and marrying the bride of Christ and establishing a new administration over the prior material, but those are just some of my reasonings and thoughts on the subject all together. It’s gotta be someone’s name though and people read this 2000 years ago.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Who is rewriting the word of God? All I am doing is building upon that which is already written.

“For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.

10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.

11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.”

Yes you are and it is wood, hay and stubble.

Have you submitted any of this to gods anointed shepherds for them to know and verify? Are you a member in particular of a local assembly with a bona fide pastor/teacher?

Have you submitted this suppossed gift to the shepherds to validate thewm as all who have gone before have done?

Or are you like Jim Jones, David Koresh et al?

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Yes you are and it is wood, hay and stubble.

Have you submitted any of this to gods anointed shepherds for them to know and verify? Are you a member in particular of a local assembly with a bona fide pastor/teacher?

Have you submitted this suppossed gift to the shepherds to validate thewm as all who have gone before have done?

Or are you like Jim Jones, David Koresh et al?

I have a Teacher, and His name is Jesus Christ. You can’t get a “higher” education than that.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Hello, I have read it differently. You may suggest otherwise. I’m a person who fully believes Jesus has already come. Thank you for sharing your reasonings and thoughts, SI.

I'm someone who tells it like it is, so I'm telling you that you are delusional to think that Jesus has already come. You are deceived. The "glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ" is something we are still waiting for. It is "that blessed hope" What is your hope in?

 

[MatthewG]

I'm someone who tells it like it is, so I'm telling you that you are delusional to think that Jesus has already come. You are deceived. The "glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ" is something we are still waiting for. It is "that blessed hope" What is your hope in?

My hope is to go be with God after this life.

That is okay if you tell me I am delusional, and that I’m crazy for believing that Jesus has came already. It’s a shock to most people that anyone would believe in such a way to begin with. It’s because of this faith in his coming and setting everything right helps me be free by the spirit. And not come back at you. :) I’m happy and content believing in such a way, because it’s a total opposite of your view to begin with. Which is why you suggest “I’m delusional,” but that is gaslighting.

I have faith that Jesus came, and those people promised seen his coming. Those who were actively looking awaiting for his return having no other God before them, seeking Yahavah awaiting for Yeshua to come take them to the promised land.

 

[Guestman]

The symbolic "mark of the wild beast" means any involvement in the political system, be it physical with "the hand" or mental as with the "forehead", from just giving verbal or mental support to voting, running for political office, to campaigning for political candidate, etc, for the "wild beast" at Revelation 13:1-4, is "the dragon", Satan's the Devil's creation of the world of politics from "the sea" of restless, radical, agitated mankind, as Isaiah 17:12, 13 shows:

"Listen ! There is a commotion of many peoples, who are as boisterous as the seas ! There is an uproar of nations, whose sound is like the roar of mighty waters ! The nations will make a sound like the roar of many waters. He will rebuke them, and they will flee far away, chased like the chaff of the mountains before a wind, like a whirling thistle before a storm wind."

Isaiah 57:20, 21 adds this: "But the wicked are like the restless sea that cannot calm down, and its waters keep tossing up seaweed and mire. There is no peace,” says my God, “for the wicked.” Satan created the deadly, dirty and divided house of politics from the "sea" of always angry, agitated, never satisfied with the "status quo" mankind, so that people continue to be "upset", unwilling to "work together in harmony" and slaughters one another because of "political differences".

And the "wild beast" is easily discerned at Daniel 7:2, 3: "Daniel declared: “I was watching in my visions during the night, and look ! the four winds of the heavens were stirring up the vast sea. And four huge beasts came out of the sea, each different from the others", in which these "four huge beasts" were ancient Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome.

And at Isaiah 30:6, 7, it says: "A pronouncement against the beasts of the south (or south of Israel): Through the land of distress and hardship, of the lion, the roaring lion, of the viper and the flying fiery snake, they carry their wealth on the backs of donkeys and their supplies on the humps of camels. But these things will not benefit the people. For Egypt’s help is completely useless. So I have called this one: “Raʹhab, who sits still.”

At Revelation 14:9, 10, it says: "Another angel, a third, followed them, saying in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the wild beast (the political system) and its image (first the League of Nations from 1920-39 C.E., that was resurrected as the United Nations in 1945 C.E., see Rev 13:14, 15; 17:8) and receives a (symbolic) mark on his forehead or on his hand,"

"he will also drink of the wine of the anger of God that is poured out undiluted into the cup of His wrath, and he will be (symbolically) tormented with fire and sulfur (or receive everlasting destruction) in the sight of the holy angels and in the sight of the Lamb."

And at Revelation 20:4, it says: "And I saw thrones, and those who sat on them were given authority to judge. Yes, I saw the souls of those executed for the witness they gave about Jesus and for speaking about God, and those who had not worshipped the wild beast (or political realm) or its image (the United Nations, that is for now, like a toothless dog, all bark and no bite) and had not received the (symbolic) mark on their forehead and on their hand (for doing so, means they worship Satan, see Rev 13:2-4). And they came to life and ruled as kings with the Christ for 1,000 years."

At John 15:19, Jesus told his eleven faithful apostles: "If you were part of the world, the world would be fond of what is its own. Now because you are NO PART of the world, but I have chosen you OUT of the world, for this reason the world hates you."

At John 18:36, Jesus told Pilate: "My Kingdom is NO PART of this world (under Satan's control, with its angry and divisive politics). If my Kingdom were part of this world, my attendants would have fought (as politics teaches, to "fight for your rights") that I should not be handed over to the Jews. But as it is, my Kingdom is NOT from this source (or not created through politics)."

And at James 4:4, he wrote: "Adulteresses, do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God ? Whoever, therefore, wants to be a friend of the world is making himself an ENEMY of God." So, TRUE Christians are politically neutral, having done as Jesus said of being "no part of the world" and of what the apostle Paul wrote of "quit touching the unclean thing, and I will take you in, and I will be a father to you, and you will become sons and daughters to me, says Jehovah the Almighty."(2 Cor 6:17, 18)

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I have a Teacher, and His name is Jesus Christ. You can’t get a “higher” education than that.

So you reject His Word then.

I have a Teacher, and His name is Jesus Christ. You can’t get a “higher” education than that.

Ephesians 4:11-14

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11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

Hebrews 10:24-25

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24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

Ephesians 2:20
And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

Titus 1:5
For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:

1 Corinthians 3:10-15

King James Version

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10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

Hebrews 13:17
Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.


If you are not a member of a local assembly of believers, sitting under the authority of one of Gods shepherd, you are a rebellious rogue Christian and your visions and "new revelations" are not of god

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

So you reject His Word then.

Ephesians 4:11-14​

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11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

Hebrews 10:24-25​

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King James Version​

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24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

Ephesians 2:20
And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

Titus 1:5
For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:

1 Corinthians 3:10-15​

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King James Version​

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10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

Hebrews 13:17
Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.


If you are not a member of a local assembly of believers, sitting under the authority of one of Gods shepherd, you are a rebellious rogue Christian and your visions and "new revelations" are not of god

Not at all, Christ dwells in me.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Not at all, Christ dwells in me.

as He does in me

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

as He does in me

So why do you still sin?

1 John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

If you are truly in Christ, and Christ (the seed) is truly in you, then you CANNOT SIN.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

So why do you still sin?

1 John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

If you are truly in Christ, and Christ (the seed) is truly in you, then you CANNOT SIN.

Why do you still sin? You are delusional if you think you never sin.

1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

You have deceived yourself and the truth is not in you because you believe you never sin. The reason we still sin is not because we want to, but because we have not yet been made incorruptible, which doesn't happen until the last trumpet (1 Cor 15:51-52).

You do not differentiate between willful and unwfillful sin as scripture does.

This type of sin, which is not willful, can be forgiven:

Romans 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. 16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. 17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. 19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. 20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

Notice how Paul says that when someone sins despite not wanting to sin, by doing what they hate, it isn't the person sinning doing it, but "sin that dwelleth in me".

Scripture is clear that if Christians "confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins". John included himself in that, but you arrogantly think you are more holy even than John who is possibly the most righteous Christian to ever live.

Because of your lack of spiritual discernment, you don't recognize that verses like 1 John 3:9 are talking about willful sin, as is talked about here:

Hebrews 10:26 `For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Those who are born of God do not sin WILLFULLY which means we don't sin purposely in willful rebellion against God. As Jesus said, "the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak" (Matthew 26:41), which is exactly what Paul wrote about in Romans 7:14-25. If we do have moments of weakness where our flesh gets its way over our will, God does not condemn us for that. If we confess our sins He is faithful and just to forgive us (1 John 1:9). But, if we willfully sin in rebellion against Him, He will not forgive us and we would then only look forward to "judgment and fiery indignation".

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Those who are born again of the Spirit have put to death “the deeds”of the flesh, meaning they have ceased from sinning.

1 Peter 4:1
Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;

Those who are still in the flesh cannot cease from sinning, they are called cursed children.

2 Peter 2:14
Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Those who are born again of the Spirit have put to death “the deeds”of the flesh, meaning they have ceased from sinning.

1 Peter 4:1
Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;

Those who are still in the flesh cannot cease from sinning, they are called cursed children.

2 Peter 2:14
Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:

That is talking about the habitual practice of willful sin. Notice how 2 Peter 2:14 refers to them exercising "coveteous practices". You act as if sinning even once equates to "having eyes full of adultery" and taking part in "covetous practices", which is ridiculous. Not only did they sin, but they sinned in habitual and willful rebellion against God, which is what these kinds of verses are talking about. They are not talking about the literal ceasing of sin.

You are deceived by saying you doesn't sin. Apparently, these verses are not in your Bible:

1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

1 Corinthians 15:34
Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

Jesus said go, and sin no more.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

The grace of God reigns in an individual by Righteousness.

The grace and the righteousness of God in Jesus Christ is a gift as is shown here….

Romans 5:17 “For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.”

Romans 5:21 “That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousnessunto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.”

Galatians 2:21 “I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.”

But if we are to reign with Christ by the grace of God, and if we are to abide in His righteousness, do we then walk in unrighteousness? For all unrighteousness is sin. (1 John 5:17)

Romans 6:13 “Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

2 Corinthians 5:21 “For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Again if we are truly made a new man in Christ, and Christ is truly in us, do we continue to walk in unrighteousness?

1 Peter 2:24 “Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.”

So truly you will know who is, or who is not, in Christ by their fruits.( Matthew 7:20)

1 John 2:29 “If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that “doeth”righteousness is born of him.

1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that “doeth”righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

1 John 3:10 “In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever “doeth not”righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.”

1 John 2:6 “He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

Righteous is as righteous does. May the grace of our Lord be with you, Peace