The many errors and contradictions found in Amillennialism.

[rwb]

This makes no sense whatsoever. You say it says "they came to life", but then look at what you reference there. Strong's Greek 2198, which is the word "zao" and you even show there that it means "to live, be alive". What gives here? To live and be alive does not require someone to be bodily resurrected.

EXACTLY! Millennialists refuse to believe that Christ has given those of faith His Word! Once we believe we have been born again spiritually, and though our mortal flesh will perish, our spirit, being a living soul will NEVER die because the life we received in Christ according to God's grace through faith is FOREVER! Millennialists refuse to acknowledge what eternal/everlasting life means! That's why they continue to make unbiblical arguments inventing "two" physical resurrections separated by literally ONE thousand years.

 

[rwb]

It doesn't matter because the following undeniably 100% proves that those meant in verse 4 and 6 already live again bodily at the beginning of the thousand years---------- But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.

This is the trump card that can't be trumped. And it's been in front of our nose the entire time. I can't believe I never even noticed until a day or two ago that this alone debunks Amil 100%.

I saw the souls of them---and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years---this is the first resurrection. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished

There is only one way and one way only that Amil can be correct about the first resurrection. Verse 5 also needs to say that those of the first resurrection don't live again until the thousand years are finished.

If verse 5 had said this instead---the rest of the dead, nor those that have part in the first resurrection, lived again until the thousand years were finished---I would absolutely 100% agree with Amils in regards to verse 4 and 6. It would be 100% undeniable that they have to be right in that case.

With that in mind, seriously then, how can the following be the same? Explain that one.

But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished

The rest of the dead, nor those that have part in the first resurrection, lived again until the thousand years were finished

And yes I know what's coming my way. A reply filled with LOLs since you are unable to take anyone seriously but yourself and other Amils like yourself.

Honestly David, I basically stopped replying to your posts and some others here because it became an exercise in futility. When you can prove that you understand what eternal/everlasting life that Christ promises to whosoever lives and believes in Him means, maybe we Amils can have a serious discussion with you! But sadly, millennialists, like yourself either cannot or refuse to believe Christ! Instead of reading your preconceived opinions you were taught into Rev 20, try reading what John wrote BELIEVING Christ when He tells us believers HAVE eternal/everlasting life that can NEVER die! And that TIME, of which a/the thousand years equates is not relevant for the man that possesses ETERNAL LIFE!

 

[Zao is life]

It doesn't matter because the following undeniably 100% proves that those meant in verse 4 and 6 already live again bodily at the beginning of the thousand years---------- But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.

This is the trump card that can't be trumped. And it's been in front of our nose the entire time. I can't believe I never even noticed until a day or two ago that this alone debunks Amil 100%.



I saw the souls of them---and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years---this is the first resurrection. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished

There is only one way and one way only that Amil can be correct about the first resurrection. Verse 5 also needs to say that those of the first resurrection don't live again until the thousand years are finished.

If verse 5 had said this instead---the rest of the dead, nor those that have part in the first resurrection, lived again until the thousand years were finished---I would absolutely 100% agree with Amils in regards to verse 4 and 6. It would be 100% undeniable that they have to be right in that case.

With that in mind, seriously then, how can the following be the same? Explain that one.


But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished

The rest of the dead, nor those that have part in the first resurrection, lived again until the thousand years were finished

And yes I know what's coming my way. A reply filled with LOLs since you are unable to take anyone seriously but yourself and other Amils like yourself.

"For this my son was dead, and is alive again [anazao]; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry." -- Luke 15:24.

For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and lived again [anazao], that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. -- Romans 14:9.

But the rest of the dead did not live again [anazao] until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. -- Revelation 20:5.

@Spiritual Israelite is once again changing the meaning of Greek words and English words in his usual futile attempts to make verses comply with Amil.

zao = to be alive | to live.
anazao = to be alive again | to live again (ana = again. zao = to live | to be alive)

00326 ἀναζάω anazáō, an-ad-zah'-o
from 303 and 2198;
to recover life (literally or figuratively):--(be a-)live again, revive.

[Strongs Greek 00303] ἀνά aná, an-ah'
properly, up; but (by extension) used (distributively) severally, or (locally) at (etc.):--and, apiece, by, each, every (man), in, through.
In compounds (as a prefix) it often means (by implication) repetition, intensity, reversal, etc.

ana basically means "again" in Revelation 20:5. anazao = to be alive again.

Whenever the verses containing the word zao are referring to created humans who are alive | living [zao], they are referring to humans who are alive in their human bodies (not dead | lifeless), regardless of whether or not they have eternal life [zoe], for example,

"Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth [zao]? For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth [zao]; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband." (Romans 7:1-2).

The Amils @rwb and the like have once again gone hysterical about 3 verses in the Bible that they can't interpret properly, even though it is so clear that it does not mean what they say. LOL Reading their hysterical responses to your post and in support of "spiritual" is like watching people screaming at the sky because Trump got elected.

I've copied and pasted a long list of verses using the word zao in reference to human beings here, one under the other. Reading just a few of them makes it very clear what zao means.

 

[Zao is life]

Even the Premils that don't believe in soul sleep don't agree with you. So let's not act like that it's only because he believes in soul sleep is why he doesn't agree with you.

There are no souls reigning with Christ in heaven. And the 5th seal recorded in Revelation 6 proves it. But I'm not saying there are no souls in heaven. These souls are seen as resting not reigning. And that they are told to rest until the 42 month reign of the beast back on earth is fulfilled. That's what the little season back on earth is referring to, the 42 month reign of the beast, obviously. And when their brethren back on earth are martyred during this little season, they obviously join those that are resting. After all, it makes zero sense that some martyrs have to rest and other martyrs get to reign once they are martyred.

Unless you can convincingly prove from Scripture that resting and reigning is the same concept, I'm going to keep assuming they are not. Like I already pointed out, even Premils, maybe not all Premils, believe saved souls go to heaven upon death. But that doesn't mean Premils agree they are reigning with Christ. Which begs the question, since we're meaning disembodied. Reigning with Christ over what? Over who? Reigning with Christ doing what? Not to mention, Amils also believe they are priests of His while in a disembodied state. Almost forgot. As if it makes sense that heaven is in need of kings and priests in a disembodied state. Revelation 5:10 already tells us which realm is in need of kings and priests and it's not heaven.

Revelation 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Maybe this verse is a lie since it doesn't agree with Amil's view that when someone saved dies, they then go to heaven and reign as kings in a disembodied state? Not to mention, it also doesn't agree with Amil's view that they are priests in a disembodied state, either.

@Spiritual Israelite will never be able to explain just what part of they had been beheaded and John saw them alive [zao] he does not understand, because John saw them zao (living | alive), not dead [apothnesko] or among the dead [nekros], but alive [zao]. How John could John see them alive when they had been beheaded and why John linked that statement to the first resurrection of the body saying that they are blessed for having part in it, Amils become hysterical trying to change the meaning of, to mean something completely out of context.

 

[CTK]

"For this my son was dead, and is alive again [anazao]; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry." -- Luke 15:24.

For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and lived again [anazao], that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. -- Romans 14:9.

But the rest of the dead did not live again [anazao] until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. -- Revelation 20:5.

@Spiritual Israelite is once again changing the meaning of Greek words and English words in his usual futile attempts to make verses comply with Amil.

zao = to be alive | to live.
anazao = to be alive again | to live again (ana = again. zao = to live | to be alive)

00326 ἀναζάω anazáō, an-ad-zah'-o
from 303 and 2198;
to recover life (literally or figuratively):--(be a-)live again, revive.

[Strongs Greek 00303] ἀνά aná, an-ah'
properly, up; but (by extension) used (distributively) severally, or (locally) at (etc.):--and, apiece, by, each, every (man), in, through.
In compounds (as a prefix) it often means (by implication) repetition, intensity, reversal, etc.

ana basically means "again" in Revelation 20:5. anazao = to be alive again.

Whenever the verses containing the word zao are referring to created humans who are alive | living [zao], they are referring to humans who are alive in their human bodies (not dead | lifeless), regardless of whether or not they have eternal life [zoe], for example,

"Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth [zao]? For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth [zao]; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband." (Romans 7:1-2).

The Amils @rwb and the like have once again gone hysterical about 3 verses in the Bible that they can't interpret properly, even though it is so clear that it does not mean what they say. LOL Reading their hysterical responses to your post and in support of "spiritual" is like watching people screaming at the sky because Trump got elected.

I've copied and pasted a long list of verses using the word zao in reference to human beings here, one under the other. Reading just a few of them makes it very clear what zao means.

Does this mean we should use the word ZAO rather than EZESAN when referring to Kamala Harris? So confused!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

It doesn't matter because the following undeniably 100% proves that those meant in verse 4 and 6 already live again bodily at the beginning of the thousand years---------- But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.

LOL. I love when you act like you're proving something and it turns out you proved nothing. Happens over and over again.

This is the trump card that can't be trumped.

LOL!

And it's been in front of our nose the entire time. I can't believe I never even noticed until a day or two ago that this alone debunks Amil 100%.

The anticipation is killing me.

I saw the souls of them---and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years---this is the first resurrection. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished

There is only one way and one way only that Amil can be correct about the first resurrection. Verse 5 also needs to say that those of the first resurrection don't live again until the thousand years are finished.

Why does it need to say that?

If verse 5 had said this instead---the rest of the dead, nor those that have part in the first resurrection, lived again until the thousand years were finished---I would absolutely 100% agree with Amils in regards to verse 4 and 6. It would be 100% undeniable that they have to be right in that case.

With that in mind, seriously then, how can the following be the same? Explain that one.


But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished

The rest of the dead, nor those that have part in the first resurrection, lived again until the thousand years were finished

And yes I know what's coming my way. A reply filled with LOLs since you are unable to take anyone seriously but yourself and other Amils like yourself.

How can I take this seriously? Why do you act like you prove something when you prove nothing? You're making an argument from silence here. Just because verse 5 doesn't include the text that you think it should include proves nothing whatsoever. And you did nothing to show why the word "zao" is used instead of "anazao" in verse 4. What is your explanation for that?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

@Spiritual Israelite will never be able to explain just what part of they had been beheaded and John saw them alive [zao] he does not understand, because John saw them zao (living | alive), not dead [apothnesko] or among the dead [nekros], but alive [zao].

Premill arguments are extremely weak. You delude yourselves into thinking you're making convincing arguments and they are not convincing whatsoever. You are proving absolutely nothing here. You can be bodily dead and still be alive, as the following shows:

Revelation 6:9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. 10 They called out in a loud voice, “How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?” 11 Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers and sisters, were killed just as they had been.

These are physically/bodily dead people who are conscious and alive. What is hard to understand about this? Human beings are made up of body, soul and spirit (1 Thess 5:23). To be absent from the body (bodily dead) is to be present spiritually (soul and spirit) with the Lord (2 Corinthians 5:6-8).

How John could John see them alive when they had been beheaded and why John linked that statement to the first resurrection of the body saying that they are blessed for having part in it, Amils become hysterical trying to change the meaning of, to mean something completely out of context.

LOL. Meaningless comments here. Your belief in the false doctrine of soul sleep has blinded you to the truth.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

This is a poor translation. John doesn't say "they came to life", that's an unbiblical assumption. John simply writes "the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years." IOW John proves that even though they physically died, they still "lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years."

This is what millennialists continue to ignore. The martyred saints did NOT have to come to life because they possessed eternal/everlasting life by grace through faith believing in Christ's resurrected life (the first resurrection) and knowing that death of the body could only take their flesh but could not keep them from being living souls in heaven as the spiritual body of Christ. Christ is NOT a liar! When He tells us that whosoever lives and believes in Him shall NEVER die, why do millennialists doubt that believers continue to have life after death?

Agree. It's clear to me what the problem is for some Premills. They believe in soul sleep or soul rest, so they can't fathom how physically dead people can be reigning in heaven. They are deceived by the false doctrine of soul sleep. Some will deny they believe in that, but they at least believe in soul rest where the souls of the dead in Christ are just resting and doing nothing in heaven. Reigning has nothing to do with constantly being active, anyway. Scripture makes it clear that we are priests in Christ's kingdom right now (1 Peter 2:9, Revelation 1:5-6). Apparently, whenever we are resting and doing nothing, Premills think we are not priests of Christ during that time and once we become active and doing something then we are priests again. Their mindset is carnal and that's why they can't understand spiritual things.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

"For this my son was dead, and is alive again [anazao]; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry." -- Luke 15:24.

For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and lived again [anazao], that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. -- Romans 14:9.

But the rest of the dead did not live again [anazao] until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. -- Revelation 20:5.

@Spiritual Israelite is once again changing the meaning of Greek words and English words in his usual futile attempts to make verses comply with Amil.

Zao is life is once again LYING about me because he can't refute my arguments with scripture. I said the word anazao means to be resurrected and those other verses prove that. How am I changing the meaning of that word?

zao = to be alive | to live.
anazao = to be alive again | to live again (ana = again. zao = to live | to be alive)

00326 ἀναζάω anazáō, an-ad-zah'-o
from 303 and 2198;
to recover life (literally or figuratively):--(be a-)live again, revive.

[Strongs Greek 00303] ἀνά aná, an-ah'
properly, up; but (by extension) used (distributively) severally, or (locally) at (etc.):--and, apiece, by, each, every (man), in, through.
In compounds (as a prefix) it often means (by implication) repetition, intensity, reversal, etc.

ana basically means "again" in Revelation 20:5. anazao = to be alive again.

Whenever the verses containing the word zao are referring to created humans who are alive | living [zao], they are referring to humans who are alive in their human bodies (not dead | lifeless), regardless of whether or not they have eternal life [zoe], for example,

This is an extremely weak argument. Naturally, a vast majority of the time that scripture refers to people being alive they are physically alive. Scripture rarely even refers to people who are physically dead but alive spiritually. So, there is no basis whatsoever for thinking that the word "zao" can't refer to those who are physically dead, but spiritually alive. The real problem here is your belief in soul sleep, not my treatment of the Greek text.

"Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth [zao]? For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth [zao]; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband." (Romans 7:1-2).

The Amils @rwb and the like have once again gone hysterical about 3 verses in the Bible that they can't interpret properly, even though it is so clear that it does not mean what they say. LOL Reading their hysterical responses to your post and in support of "spiritual" is like watching people screaming at the sky because Trump got elected.

I've copied and pasted a long list of verses using the word zao in reference to human beings here, one under the other. Reading just a few of them makes it very clear what zao means.

LOL. Again, scripture rarely even refers to people's souls after they are physically dead, so this proves nothing. There is no reason whatsoever to think that a word that means to live or be alive cannot refer to those who are spiritually alive after physical death. Your belief in the false doctrine of soul sleep proves that you are severely lacking in spiritual discernment. No one can convince me that the souls John saw in heaven are not conscious.

Revelation 6:9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. 10 They called out in a loud voice, “How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?” 11 Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers and sisters, were killed just as they had been.

Jesus talked to 2 physically dead guys, Moses and Elijah, at His transfiguration. But, you expect us to believe that the word "zao", which means to live or be alive, could not be used in reference to them? The word "zao" does NOT mean "to physically live or be physically alive". YOU are the one changing the meaning of the Greek words.

 

[Zao is life]

Premill arguments are extremely weak. You delude yourselves into thinking you're making convincing arguments and they are not convincing whatsoever. You are proving absolutely nothing here. You can be bodily dead and still be alive, as the following shows:

Revelation 6:9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. 10 They called out in a loud voice, “How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?” 11 Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers and sisters, were killed just as they had been.

These are physically/bodily dead people who are conscious and alive. What is hard to understand about this? Human beings are made up of body, soul and spirit (1 Thess 5:23). To be absent from the body (bodily dead) is to be present spiritually (soul and spirit) with the Lord (2 Corinthians 5:6-8).


LOL. Meaningless comments here. Your belief in the false doctrine of soul sleep has blinded you to the truth.

LOL. There are no verses in scripture where zao is talking about the bodily dead.

Psst: Scripture calls the bodily dead, the dead [nekros]. Not the living [zao].

Try not to miss that fact in future so that you don't try to use non-arguments to prove what you cannot prove.

Psst The souls John saw under the altar were not bodily alive [zao] human beings - they were slain, and the verse makes it very obvious to all whose thoughts have not run amuck with Amillennial theology that they are not bodily alive [zao].

There is not one verse in scripture where zao is being used in reference to a human being who is not bodily alive.

There are three passages in scripture that use both zoe (life) and zao (to be living | alive) in the same passage and Amillennialists have conflated spiritual life [zoe] with bodily life | being live [zao] because Amil theology has your minds running amuck and becoming hysterical when you cannot speak.

At least the Sadducees understood that Jesus had silenced their arguments against the resurrection of the body from the dead by telling them that people who were dead would be bodily alive [zao] again because God is not the God of the dead but of those who are bodily alive [zao]

But your minds are even more befuddled than the minds of the Sadducees because Amillennialism does that to you.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

LOL. There are no verses in scripture where zao is talking about the bodily dead.

So what? How many verses are there that even refer to the bodily dead? The word "zao" means to live or be alive and NOT to physically live or physically be alive. The souls of the dead in Christ are alive, so there's no reason why the word couldn't be used to refer to them.

Is there something you don't understand about this passage...

Revelation 6:9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. 10 They called out in a loud voice, “How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?” 11 Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers and sisters, were killed just as they had been.

These souls of physically dead martyrs are alive. Why can't a word that refers to someone being alive apply to them? Answer that question if you want to be taken seriously.

Psst: Scripture calls the bodily dead, the dead [nekros]. Not the living [zao].

Psssssst. They are only phyiscally/bodily dead. As passages like Revelation 6:9-11 prove, their souls are alive.

Try not to miss that fact in future so that you don't try to use non-arguments to prove what you cannot prove.

LOL. Let me know if you ever come up with an actual argument that makes any sense. Denying that people are still alive spiritually after physical death is a non-argument.

Psst The souls John saw under the altar were not bodily alive [zao] human beings - they were slain, and the verse makes it very obvious to all whose thoughts have not run amuck with Amillennial theology that they are not bodily alive [zao].

LOL. You embarrass yourself more and more with every comment you make. I don't claim they are physically alive, but the passage makes it very CLEAR that their souls are alive. You are CHANGING the meaning of zao to mean "to bodily live, to be bodily alive", but it does NOT mean that! You should be ashamed of yourself for blatantly changing the meaning of a word to make scripture say what you want it to say. The word can refer to someone who is bodily alive and to someone who is bodily dead but spiritually alive. It's foolish to think otherwise. Soul sleep is a false doctrine that cults and wacky Christian denominations like Seventh-day Adventists believe in.

There is not one verse in scripture where zao is being used in reference to a human being who is not bodily alive.

That means nothing. There are very few verses that even refer to those who are not bodily alive. The question is whether a word that means to be alive can refer to someone whose soul is alive. Of course it can. Why not? The word "zao" does NOT mean "to be bodily alive". That is what you are trying to change it to mean.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

It's very sad that some here are deluded by the Satanic false doctrine of soul sleep. They don't even know that the souls that they think are sleeping are more awake than they are.

 

[Zao is life]

So what? How many verses are there that even refer to the bodily dead? The word "zao" means to live or be alive and NOT to physically live or physically be alive. The souls of the dead in Christ are alive, so there's no reason why the word couldn't be used to refer to them.

The word zao in scripture never refers to human beings who are not bodily alive. Amils all of them always conflate eternal life [zoe] with bodily life [zao]

But zao in scripture never refers to human beings who are not bodily alive. - not even in the three passages where the befuddled minds of Amillennialists have zao meaning eternal life [zoe] in Christ.

I've named one other one and this 'debate' is talking about another one.

That leaves one more passage where your Amil human concoction has your minds so befuddled you confuse what Jesus said about eternal life [zoe] with what He was saying about living | being alive in the body [zao] and completely miss that He was relating being alive in the body [zao] with the resurrection of the body from the dead.

 

[Zao is life]

It's very sad that some here are deluded by the Satanic false doctrine of soul sleep. They don't even know that the souls that they think are sleeping are more awake than they are.

You're not taking about me, so who you are implying believes in soul sleep I don't know.

You have accused me falsely of believing in soul sleep before so if you are doing the same again it's because your lies become you.

Souls are souls. They are aware of themselves. Whether they are with Christ or in hades.

But God created a human being with a body, soul and spirit and souls without bodies are limbless.

Does not mean they are not conscious of themselves and their surroundings

"And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled." (Revelation 6:9-11).

The above souls are not zao because they are not bodily alive, and zao in respect of human beings refers to being bodily alive. The above souls are not zao because they are dead. A soul who has eternal life [zoe] in Christ who has died and gone to be with Christ is not bodily alive [zao].

Super spiritual, Sorry, @Spiritual Israelite, please tell us where the bodies of the above souls are being referenced in the above verses.

 

[Zao is life]

I don't claim they are physically alive, but the passage makes it very CLEAR that their souls are alive. You are CHANGING the meaning of zao to mean "to bodily live, to be bodily alive",

Nope

Psst You have changed the meaning of scripture in your befuddled Amil mind to have the meaning of zoe (life) to mean living | being alive in the body [zao]

 

[Zao is life]

@Spiritual Israelite

SPIRITUAL LIFE IN THE NEW TESTAMENT IS CALLED ZOE

There is only one God. (Eternal) life [zoe] is in Him and always existed in Him, before the creation of mankind:

John 1:2 & 4
The Word was in the beginning with God. In Him was life [zōḗ], and the life [zōḗ] was the light of men.

John 5:26
For as the Father hath life [zōḗ] in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life [zōḗ] in himself.

1 John 5:11-12
God has given to us eternal life [zōḗ], and this life [zōḗ] is in His Son. He that has the Son has (eternal) life; and he that has not the Son of God has not (eternal) life [zōḗ].

Eternal life is only found only in the Son of God who alone has eternal life in Himself.

"If Christ's Spirit is in you,

(1) your body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit (of Christ) is your (eternal) life [zoe] because of (Christ's) righteousness.

(2) Moreover, if the Spirit of the one who raised [egeiro] Jesus from the dead dwells in you, the one who raised [egeiro] Christ from the dead will also quicken [zōopoiéō] your mortal bodies through his Spirit who lives in you." (Romans 8:10-11).

"When Christ, who is our life [zōḗ], shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory." (Colossians 3:4).

"For the law of the Spirit of the life [zoe] (which is) in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death." (Romans 8:2).

Zoe is always talking about life life, or eternal life, which is in Christ. "Christ in you" = eternal life in you.

John 5:26
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life [zōḗ]: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

The list goes on and on - I've quoted the verses HERE

 

[Zao is life]

@Spiritual Israelite

In the New Testament, eternal life in the Greek is always aionios zoe, never aionios zao, because zao does not mean the same thing as zoe, which refers to eternal life which is in the Word of God and only Christ has in Himself, and which is given IN CHRIST to those who have been born of the Spirit of God (see my previous post).

BODILY LIFE IN THE NEW TESTAMENT IS CALLED ZAO - and you will never see a reference to "eternal ZAO" because when eternal LIFE is spoken about in the New Testament, it uses the word ZOE (not zao)

"Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth [zao]? For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth [zao]; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband." (Romans 7:1-2).

"For this reason Christ died [apothnesko] and rose again from the dead [anistemi], and lived again [anazao: lived again in a body that is not dead], so that he may be the Lord of both the dead [nekros] and living [zao: those who are alive in a body that is not dead]." (Romans 14:9).

I Thessalonians 4:15 & 17:
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive [zao] and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

Then we which are alive [zao] and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Hebrews 9:17:
For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth [zao].

Matthew 9:18:
While he spake these things unto them, behold, there came a certain ruler, and worshipped him, saying, My daughter is even now dead: but come and lay thy hand upon her, and she shall live [zao].

Mark 5:23:
And besought him greatly, saying, My little daughter lieth at the point of death: I pray thee, come and lay thy hands on her, that she may be healed; and she shall live [zao].

John 4:50:
Jesus saith unto him, Go thy way; thy son liveth [zao]. And the man believed the word that Jesus had spoken unto him, and he went his way.

John 4:51:
And as he was now going down, his servants met him, and told him, saying, Thy son liveth [zao].

The list of verses talking about human beings as being bodily alive by using the word zao goes on and on and on.

There is not one verse talking about life | eternal life [zoe] that uses the word zao (bodily life in respect of human beings).

ZOE (life | eternal life - which is in God and which human beings are GIVEN, is IN CHRIST who ALONE possesses life [zoe] in Himself)

The list of verses using the word ZAO in reference to human beings who are BODILY alive goes on and on - I've quoted the verses HERE

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The word zao in scripture never refers to human beings who are not bodily alive.

You're a broken record. Again, scripture rarely even refers to those who are not bodily alive. If you were honest, which you are not, you would acknowledge that the definition for the word "zao" is NOT "to bodily live, to be bodily alive" and is instead "to live, to be alive". You also would acknowledge that the souls John saw in heaven were alive, as Revelation 6:9-11 clearly shows. Why would a word that means "to be alive" not be able to be used to refer to the souls of bodily dead martyrs? Are you afraid to answer this question?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

@Zao is life Stop wasting time with your weak arguments. The only thing you could do to convince me that your view could be true is by proving that the word "zao" means "to bodily live" or "to be bodily alive". Do you have any Greek resources to show that as a definition for the word "zao"?

You also would need to somehow prove that the souls of physically/bodily dead martyrs that John saw in Revelation 6:9-11 are not alive. Can you do that? If not, then stop wasting your time trying to convince me of what you believe since you have no real evidence to support it.

 

[Davy]

You are ignoring the double standards in your reasoning. You have to. Your hermeneutics are messed up.

My understanding is messed up simply because I believe Bible Scripture AS WRITTEN?? And that includes any metaphors, parables, or analogies that God shows us it is to be understood as those things.

But what YOU have done instead, which makes your mind a show of being even farther... from the Truth, is how you have believed a false doctrine of men that REJECTS GOD'S WORD AS WRITTEN, and instead MAKES UP THEIR OWN ANALOGIES AND ALLEGORIES WHICH GOD DID NOT MAKE!

And you have the audacity to accuse my understanding as being messed up???

I recommend that as soon as you are able, go home and get some OIL to anoint yourself with, and cast OUT those demons in the Name of Jesus Christ, because you have picked up those demons from some place teaching you those false doctrines of men, because the devil himself lives there where you picked up those false doctrines.