The Hell Doctrine - No doctrinal unity
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Why did you omit this?
41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire,
quietthinker
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quietthinker
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I can see Jack, you wouldn't concede that your mother was a woman unless you realised it yourself. :)
You will learn. Everybody will, now or in Hell.
2 Kings 17
They did not fear the LORD; therefore the LORD sent lions among them, which killed some of them.
St. SteVen said:
To inform you that scripture is contradictory. - LOL
Any questions?
Where did you get the idea that scripture is NOT contradictory?
You seem to have bought the standard apologetic about inerrancy.
Here's a short education from someone you can trust. (I think)
To inform you that scripture is contradictory. - LOL
Any questions?
Where did you get the idea that scripture is NOT contradictory?
Do you understand where the Bible came from?
You seem to have bought the standard apologetic about inerrancy.
Here's a short education from someone you can trust. (I think)
Majority Text vs. Critical Text vs. Textus Receptus – Textual Criticism 101
Majority Text vs. Critical Text vs. Textus Receptus - Textual Criticism 101 - Berean PatriotOur Bible translations are quite consistent overall. Some 'Christians' just don't like what God said, so they challenge God Himself. VERY dangerous!
quietthinker
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I'm certain God is big enough to handle it. I don't think he'll spit you out because you challenge him.
Wasn't Jesus challenged at Calvary? Did he spit out anyone?
Wasn't it that we spat him out and then blamed him (attributed to him) for doing what we did?
Wrangler
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Jack, I doubt you are truly this obtuse. The OP referenced 3 biblical views. Why not evaluate the evidence for all 3? Why are you stuck on focusing only on one Biblical view?
Ronald David Bruno
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I believe in annihilation too, but in the Lake of Fire. Hades is not the Lake of Fire. Hades ( and everyone in it) is thrown into the Lake Of Fire after the Great White Throne Judgment _ after the Millennial Kingdom _ at which time the first earth and first heavens are destroyed ( 2 Peter 3:10) as well.
Sheole is often referred to as Hell. It is not the place of final destruction though, it is temporal, within the earth. So in a sense in is phase one of death. Death is Lso thrown into the Lake of Fire ( which is what I call Hell) or phase two if you will.
About Luke 16:19-31
THIS IS NOT A PARABLE!
This is not symbolic language, and is to be taken literally. Why?
Parables DO NOT include specific names of real people, like Abraham, nor his spiritual location. It is also clear that the Rich man and Lazarus are real souls!
Prior to Christ's death and resurrection, Sheol was divided into two locations, one for the faithful to God and the other for the unfaithful, wicked reprobates.
The Rich man's location is therefore real.
>Why describe two separate and distinct locations that exist after death _ in detail _ to symbolize something else if they did not exist?
>What moral truth would be gained from something or some place that was not real?
Jesus' parables were always about common experiences that people could relate to and draw meaning out of. His parables did not use detailed descriptions of fictional, abstract territories!
The message to all is a stark warning. This Rich man died and went to a place of loneliness, fire and torment. This wasn't his grave or tomb. He didn't become extinct when he died nor was he asleep. He was conscious! He asks for water, a drop, because when Lazarus was alive, he begged for scraps of food. Notice how the Rich man's pride is no longer with him - he is humbled. I don't know, if it is real humility or just an act of manipulation? He was hoping for mercy, to receive more than a drop. When he realized there would be no relief for him, he asked Abraham to send Lazarus to his brothers ( who were also real people) to warn them of this place.
> Abraham also made it clear that these two locations were separated by a gulf (chasm) that no one from either location could pass over!
> The last line of the story points to another reality and parallel to this story, Jesus' death and resurrection.
This whole story alludes also to judgments throughout the Bible that speak of fire and torment that ultimately leads to destruction. There is no hope for that Rich man or anyone else who is cast there, no second chance, no Purgatory, no redemption. This is what death means without faith in God, which is the primary reason we have a Savior. But we must believe that He is our Savior.
Lambano
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And perfect love casts out fear. (1 John 4:18)
A long time ago, on a now long-defunct forum, a brother who came to Christ not because of fear but because of the meaninglessness of life that Buddhism could not fill, asked a penetrating question:
If you weren't afraid of Hell, would you still follow Jesus?
Would you?
quietthinker
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Of course. The attraction isn't because of fear, it's because of absolute awe.
The bibles aren't wrong. Your delusions are. Babylon will fall soon, best get out.
Can't wish you well... so... May God rebuke you.
Lambano
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The Hebrew word יִרְאַת ("yirah") in Proverbs 9:10, according to Rabbi Abraham Heschel in his book, God in Search of Man, carries connotations of awe, wonder, reverence, and yes, real fear, as when in the presence of something immeasurably greater than oneself.
So, I think you got that one right.
Since YOU are the one challenging God Satan has you greatly confused.
Guess Who said this:
Matthew 25
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 20
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
His Name is Jesus.
The NT / Jesus insists that Hell fire is "everlasting", "the fire that shall NEVER be quenched", "forever and ever" you should start paying attention to Jesus.
Why don't you cite Scripture like I do? Oh that's right, you don't have any. I have plenty.
Matthew 25
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 20
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Wrangler
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You are too obtuse to deal with. 3 times you were asked to address the other Biblical views. You just keep repeating the same nonsense about fire over and over again.
NOTE: You reference the fire. No one is talking about the fire.
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