the Great Tribulation

[Davy]

Thank You Davy,
This is new to me so i must digest it (takes time).
I do see how you see God keeping His Own throughout earthbound Historical Time within the Gospel.

The problem many brethren have with those bullet points is from their listening to men's doctrines instead of studying all of God's Word for theirselves, asking God for understanding, and also lack of knowing its history.

God first split old Israel at 1 Kings 11 forward, creating two houses or kingdoms, each with specific labels. Some verses in the prophets mention both Judah and Israel in the same verse, and many think it's just speaking of all 12 tribes of Israel, when it is not. It is speaking of two separate kingdoms, the southern "kingdom of Judah" (3 tribes), and the northern "kingdom of Israel" (ten tribes). God gave Bible prophecies specific to each kingdom. So the first study to do is to learn what each separate kingdom was called in God's Word.

For example, the southern "kingdom of Judah", which was made up of three tribes, Judah, Benjamin, and Levi, was also called just "Judah", or "house of Judah", or "Jerusalem", or "Aholibah" in the Ezek.23 parable. While the ten tribed northern "kingdom of Israel" was sometimes called the "house of Israel", or just "Israel", or "Ephraim", or "Samaria", or "Joseph", or "Aholah" per the Ezek.23 parable. Only the southern "kingdom of Judah" used the title of Jew, that title origin being from the tribe of Judah (per Jewish historian Josephus).

So if one doesn't understand those different titles for the two separate kingdoms, they won't really know which tribes of Israel God gave a prophecy to. In the Book of Hosea, most of its prophecies are to the ten northern tribe "house of Israel", as God was getting ready to scatter the northern ten tribe kingdom for their falling away to false worship.

Sadly, many preachers have not even done that necessary Bible study. When they apply the title of Jews to all 12 tribes, it's easy to tell they haven't studied about God's split of old Israel into two separate kingdoms, each kingdom with its own names and prophecies.

 

[David in NJ]

The problem many brethren have with those bullet points is from their listening to men's doctrines instead of studying all of God's Word for theirselves, asking God for understanding, and also lack of knowing its history.

God first split old Israel at 1 Kings 11 forward, creating two houses or kingdoms, each with specific labels. Some verses in the prophets mention both Judah and Israel in the same verse, and many think it's just speaking of all 12 tribes of Israel, when it is not. It is speaking of two separate kingdoms, the southern "kingdom of Judah" (3 tribes), and the northern "kingdom of Israel" (ten tribes). God gave Bible prophecies specific to each kingdom. So the first study to do is to learn what each separate kingdom was called in God's Word.

For example, the southern "kingdom of Judah", which was made up of three tribes, Judah, Benjamin, and Levi, was also called just "Judah", or "house of Judah", or "Jerusalem", or "Aholibah" in the Ezek.23 parable. While the ten tribed northern "kingdom of Israel" was sometimes called the "house of Israel", or just "Israel", or "Ephraim", or "Samaria", or "Joseph", or "Aholah" per the Ezek.23 parable. Only the southern "kingdom of Judah" used the title of Jew, that title origin being from the tribe of Judah (per Jewish historian Josephus).

So if one doesn't understand those different titles for the two separate kingdoms, they won't really know which tribes of Israel God gave a prophecy to. In the Book of Hosea, most of its prophecies are to the ten northern tribe "house of Israel", as God was getting ready to scatter the northern ten tribe kingdom for their falling away to false worship.

Sadly, many preachers have not even done that necessary Bible study. When they apply the title of Jews to all 12 tribes, it's easy to tell they haven't studied about God's split of old Israel into two separate kingdoms, each kingdom with its own names and prophecies.

Do you understand that all 12 Tribes of the New Covenant Israel are contained in Christ?

 

[Davy]

Do you understand that all 12 Tribes of the New Covenant Israel are contained in Christ?

That sounds like some doctrine of man statement.

When I'm talking about the split of the old nation of Israel which God did back in Solomon's day, and the scattering of all 12 tribes of Israel, I'm not making up pulpit slogans. I'm talking about simple Bible history as written in God's Word. If one cannot stay focused, how can one learn what God actually says in His Word?

So did you know that peoples from ALL NATIONS are members of Christ's Church? That's an equivalent question that you asked me.

 

[David in NJ]

That sounds like some doctrine of man statement.

When I'm talking about the split of the old nation of Israel which God did back in Solomon's day, and the scattering of all 12 tribes of Israel, I'm not making up pulpit slogans. I'm talking about simple Bible history as written in God's Word. If one cannot stay focused, how can one learn what God actually says in His Word?

So did you know that peoples from ALL NATIONS are members of Christ's Church? That's an equivalent question that you asked me.

@Davy says: "So did you know that peoples from ALL NATIONS are members of Christ's Church?

YEP

 

[Earburner]

Dan 12.1 “At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered. 2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 Those who are wise will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever. 4 But you, Daniel, roll up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge.”
5 Then I, Daniel, looked, and there before me stood two others, one on this bank of the river and one on the opposite bank. 6 One of them said to the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, “How long will it be before these astonishing things are fulfilled?”
7 The man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, lifted his right hand and his left hand toward heaven, and I heard him swear by him who lives forever, saying, “It will be for a time, times and half a time. When the power of the holy people has been finally broken, all these things will be completed.”

Why are the 3.5 years at the end of the age identified as "the Great Tribulation?" I believe there is a basic confusion over how God looks at the people of Israel. He sees them, I think, as generally a lost people, and yet a people who are to be restored and who are currently represented by those pursuing this spiritual restoration.

The "Great Tribulation" is therefore a time when Israel appears to be lost and under judgment, in exile. But at the very end of this NT era, during the 3.5 years of Antichristian reign, this history will be resolved. It will be the final days of Israel's lost history, in which the faithful ultimately anticipate a coming deliverance for Israel as a people.

In his Olivet Discourse, Jesus used the term "great distress," or "great tribulation," to describe this Jewish history in which the people generally would appear lost and under judgment, while only a relative few remain true to God. It would be a time when the people lose their spirituality, persecuting or rejecting Christianity, while only a relative few choose to follow Jesus and anticipate a return of Israel to true spirituality and fidelity to God.

The "Great Tribulation," then, is actually the long period of time in the NT era when Israel is in Diaspora. But this period of Jewish Punishment will ultimately be resolved in a final 3.5 year period under the Man of Sin, when believers succeed in testifying to the coming salvation of Christ at the end of this period.

And so, this final period of 3.5 years is often called "the Great Tribulation," as well. Israel will continue to appear as lost, but will also be represented by believers who anticipate Israel's restoration to God as a nation.

Luke 13
[35] Behold, your house is left unto you desolate [void of God]: and verily I say unto you, Ye [of Israel] shall not see [perceive] me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh [born again Christians] in the NAME of the Lord.

Acts 15:5-9
[8] And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, [now since Pentecost] giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; [see John 7:39].
[9] And [now has] put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

Rom. 10
[12] For there is [now] no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

Rom. 8:8-9
[8] So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
[9] But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if ANY man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

 

[tailgator]

Dan 12.1 “At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered. 2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 Those who are wise will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever. 4 But you, Daniel, roll up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge.”
5 Then I, Daniel, looked, and there before me stood two others, one on this bank of the river and one on the opposite bank. 6 One of them said to the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, “How long will it be before these astonishing things are fulfilled?”
7 The man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, lifted his right hand and his left hand toward heaven, and I heard him swear by him who lives forever, saying, “It will be for a time, times and half a time. When the power of the holy people has been finally broken, all these things will be completed.”

Why are the 3.5 years at the end of the age identified as "the Great Tribulation?" I believe there is a basic confusion over how God looks at the people of Israel. He sees them, I think, as generally a lost people, and yet a people who are to be restored and who are currently represented by those pursuing this spiritual restoration.

The "Great Tribulation" is therefore a time when Israel appears to be lost and under judgment, in exile. But at the very end of this NT era, during the 3.5 years of Antichristian reign, this history will be resolved. It will be the final days of Israel's lost history, in which the faithful ultimately anticipate a coming deliverance for Israel as a people.

In his Olivet Discourse, Jesus used the term "great distress," or "great tribulation," to describe this Jewish history in which the people generally would appear lost and under judgment, while only a relative few remain true to God. It would be a time when the people lose their spirituality, persecuting or rejecting Christianity, while only a relative few choose to follow Jesus and anticipate a return of Israel to true spirituality and fidelity to God.

The "Great Tribulation," then, is actually the long period of time in the NT era when Israel is in Diaspora. But this period of Jewish Punishment will ultimately be resolved in a final 3.5 year period under the Man of Sin, when believers succeed in testifying to the coming salvation of Christ at the end of this period.

And so, this final period of 3.5 years is often called "the Great Tribulation," as well. Israel will continue to appear as lost, but will also be represented by believers who anticipate Israel's restoration to God as a nation.

Daniel 12:1 does not last 3.5 years.
There are 3.5 years from.daniel 11:31 to Daniel 12:1.

To be exact,there are 1290 days from the time the daily sacrifice is abolished in Daniel 11:31 to the time the abomination of desolation is set up in Daniel 12:1.
The persecution of the saints begins soon after the daily sacrifice is abolished in Daniel 11:33 and lasts till the time of the end.During these 3.5 years the saints will be imprisoned and killed for their testimony of Jesus.

 

[Earburner]

Do you understand that all 12 Tribes of the New Covenant Israel are contained in Christ?

You have a lot of misunderstanding that doesn't gel with the interpretation of scripture, by the mind of Christ that is within you. 1 Cor. 2:5

God was so concerned about the OC. 12 tribes of Israel, that He had a book of Remembrance for those who thought on His Name, and did talk with each other about Him. Malachi 3:16-17.
Yes, even then not all of Israel was Israel.

Why was there a "book of Remembrance" written, for those who were of faith in the Messiah to come, that lived and died "under the altar" of the OC.?
John 7
[39] (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; BECAUSE that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

 Maybe now you can learn who the symbolic 144,000 really are. Rev. 6:9-11.

 

[Earburner]

Daniel 12:1 does not last 3.5 years.
There are 3.5 years from.daniel 11:31 to Daniel 12:1.

To be exact,there are 1290 days from the time the daily sacrifice is abolished in Daniel 11:31 to the time the abomination of desolation is set up in Daniel 12:1.
The persecution of the saints begins soon after the daily sacrifice is abolished in Daniel 11:33 and lasts till the time of the end.During these 3.5 years the saints will be imprisoned and killed for their testimony of Jesus.

You started off OK, but then you side stepped from the truth of the AoD committed by the "little horn", Antiochus Epiphanes lV of the Grecian-Seleucid kingdom, and that of Judas Maccabeus, who restored the temple. 1 Maccabees ch 1 will give correct understanding of the AoD and its restoration.

Jesus used that fulfilled** prophecy about the AoD and the temple restoration in Typology, when He pointed to Himself in John 2
[18] Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?
[19] Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy [desolate] this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
[20] Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
[21] But he spake of the temple of his [mortal] body.

The sign that Jesus gave, was "the abomination that maketh desolate", in Daniel.

**Note: once a prophecy has been fulfilled, it cannot become fulfilled again. But, it can be used in Typology.

 

[David in NJ]

You have a lot of misunderstanding that doesn't gel with the interpretation of scripture, by the mind of Christ that is within you. 1 Cor. 2:5

God was so concerned about the OC. 12 tribes of Israel, that He had a book of Remembrance for those who thought on His Name, and did talk with each other about Him. Malachi 3:16-17.
Yes, even then not all of Israel was Israel.

Why was there a "book of Remembrance" written, for those who were of faith in the Messiah to come, that lived and died "under the altar" of the OC.?
John 7
[39] (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; BECAUSE that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

 Maybe now you can learn who the symbolic 144,000 really are. Rev. 6:9-11.

Time for our ABC's of Truth

TODAY's guest speaker = the prophet Malachi AND Special Guest = the Holy Spirit of Truth


Malachi 3:16-18

Then those who feared the Lord spoke to one another,
And the Lord listened and heard them;
So a book of remembrance was written before Him
For those who fear the Lord
And who meditate on His name.
“They shall be Mine,” says the Lord of hosts,
“On the day that I make them My jewels.
And I will spare them
As a man spares his own son who serves him.”
Then you shall again discern
Between the righteous and the wicked,
Between one who serves God
And one who does not serve Him.


A stands for 'Attitude' = those who feared the Lord
B stands for 'Believers' = spoke to one another
C stands for 'Christ' = and the LORD listened and heard them

When we follow A+B+C it leads us to:

D stands for 'Deliverance' = a book of remembrance written before the LORD
E stands for 'Elect' = only for those who "fear the Lord"
F stands for 'Frequency' = who meditate on His Name

6 Points of Truth we are to learn here that lead to the 7th TRUTH = G

G stands for 'God's Gathering' = “They shall be Mine,” says the Lord of hosts

Malachi is a Prophesied Promise that extends into the NEW Covenant



Answered your question and now i have one for you:
Why did God call Jacob by the name 'ISRAEL'???

 

[Earburner]

Time for our ABC's of Truth

TODAY's guest speaker = the prophet Malachi AND Special Guest = the Holy Spirit of Truth


Malachi 3:16-18

Then those who feared the Lord spoke to one another,
And the Lord listened and heard them;
So a book of remembrance was written before Him
For those who fear the Lord
And who meditate on His name.
“They shall be Mine,” says the Lord of hosts,
“On the day that I make them My jewels.
And I will spare them
As a man spares his own son who serves him.”
Then you shall again discern
Between the righteous and the wicked,
Between one who serves God
And one who does not serve Him.


A stands for 'Attitude' = those who feared the Lord
B stands for 'Believers' = spoke to one another
C stands for 'Christ' = and the LORD listened and heard them

When we follow A+B+C it leads us to:

D stands for 'Deliverance' = a book of remembrance written before the LORD
E stands for 'Elect' = only for those who "fear the Lord"
F stands for 'Frequency' = who meditate on His Name

6 Points of Truth we are to learn here that lead to the 7th TRUTH = G

G stands for 'God's Gathering' = “They shall be Mine,” says the Lord of hosts

Malachi is a Prophesied Promise that extends into the NEW Covenant



Answered your question and now i have one for you:
Why did God call Jacob by the name 'ISRAEL'???

It doesn't matter why they are or who they are that are called OC. Israel, if none of them received a "white robe" (the HS), soon after Jesus died and was glorified [resurrected].

Rom. 8:9 applied to OC Israel in the day of Jesus death and resurrection, as it does now apply to all of us today, during God's present Age of Grace. John 3:18.
Rom. 8
[9] But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if ANY man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

 

[David in NJ]

It doesn't matter why they are or who they are that are called OC. Israel, if none of them received a "white robe" (the HS), after Jesus was glorified [resurrected].
Rom. 8
[9] But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if ANY man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Answered your question and now i have one for you:
Why did God call Jacob by the name 'ISRAEL'???

 

[tailgator]

You started off OK, but then you side stepped from the truth of the AoD committed by the "little horn", Antiochus Epiphanes lV of the Grecian-Seleucid kingdom, and that of Judas Maccabeus, who restored the temple. 1 Maccabees ch 1 will give correct understanding of the AoD and its restoration.

Jesus used that fulfilled** prophecy about the AoD and the temple restoration in Typology, when He pointed to Himself in John 2
[18] Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?
[19] Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy [desolate] this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
[20] Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
[21] But he spake of the temple of his [mortal] body.

**Note: once a prophecy has been fulfilled, it cannot become fulfilled again. But, it can be used in Typology.

False doctrine your pushing.
The false prophet who interpreted Daniels prophecy in Maccabees was wrong.

By the way,you don't even know who wrote Maccabees.



Jesus gave the correct timing of the abomination of desolation in mathew 24 when he said for then would be great tribulation .

The king of the north going forth in a great rage to destroy hundreds of millions of people causes the great tribulation at the time of the end .




A pig being killed does nothing but squeal.
It doesn't cause desolation nor great tribulation.

 

[Earburner]

False doctrine your pushing.
The false prophet who interpreted Daniels prophecy in Maccabees was wrong.

In regards to the Grecian empire, and the "little horn" named Antiochus Epiphanes IV, secular history is accurate, and 1 Maccabees ch. 1 is accurate in detail. Jesus agreed, by pointing to Daniel, and then to Himself, using Typology.
Remember, once a prophecy has been fulfilled, it cannot be fulfilled again, but it can be used in Typology.

By the way,you don't even know who wrote Maccabees.

The Jews did, thus providing accurate events that happened to THEM. That event of the desecration of the temple and its restoration, is the whole reason of why they celebrate Hanukah to this day.

Jesus gave the correct timing of the abomination of desolation in mathew 24 when he said for then would be great tribulation .

The period "of great tribulation" BEGAN in 70AD, whereby wrath came upon the Jews, because "their house was left unto them desolate", aka being void of God.
Having no longer the security and protection from God, Satan moved in on Jerusalem and their temple through the Roman Titus.

The king of the north going forth in a great rage to destroy hundreds of millions of people causes the great tribulation at the time of the end .

That would be what is soon next on the prophetic calendar- Rev. 9:13-21.

A pig being killed does nothing but squeal.
It doesn't cause desolation nor great tribulation.

Pigs on an altar, is not one of the 7 abominations against God!!
However, "the shedding of innocent blood" is on that list. Proverbs 6:16-17.
Does anyone come to mind, who said that he would raise up HIS temple body in 3 days??
Here is a clue of who committed that abomination: Mat. 27
[25] Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.

 

[tailgator]

In regards to the Grecian empire, and the "little horn" named Antiochus Epiphanes IV, secular history is accurate, and 1 Maccabees ch. 1 is accurate in detail. Jesus agreed, by pointing to Daniel, and then to Himself, using Typology.
Remember, once a prophecy has been fulfilled, it cannot be fulfilled again, but it can be used in Typology.

The Jews did, thus providing accurate events that happened to THEM. That event of the desecration of the temple and its restoration, is the whole reason of why they celebrate Hanukah to this day.

The period "of great tribulation" BEGAN in 70AD, whereby wrath came upon the Jews, because "their house was left unto them desolate", aka being void of God.
Having no longer the security and protection from God, Satan moved in on Jerusalem and their temple through the Roman Titus.

That would be what is soon next on the prophetic calendar- Rev. 9:13-21.

Pigs on an altar, is not one of the 7 abominations against God!!
However, "the shedding of innocent blood" is on that list. Proverbs 6:16-17.
Does anyone come to mind, who said that he would raise up HIS temple body in 3 days??
Here is a clue of who committed that abomination: Mat. 27
[25] Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.

It's like you can't even make up your mind which lie you want to tell first.


Ok ,so you say the great tribulation spoken of by Jesus and Daniel took place in 70 AD but then you say it's the next on the prophetic calendar.
Can't make up your mind?

As for Maccabees.Its all a lie taught by the children of the devil.Your leaders.

John 8:44-45

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.




You should be careful who you trust to teach you .
The false prophet who wrote Maccabees lied.

 

[tailgator]

In regards to the Grecian empire, and the "little horn" named Antiochus Epiphanes IV, secular history is accurate, and 1 Maccabees ch. 1 is accurate in detail. Jesus agreed, by pointing to Daniel, and then to Himself, using Typology.
Remember, once a prophecy has been fulfilled, it cannot be fulfilled again, but it can be used in Typology.

The Jews did, thus providing accurate events that happened to THEM. That event of the desecration of the temple and its restoration, is the whole reason of why they celebrate Hanukah to this day.

The period "of great tribulation" BEGAN in 70AD, whereby wrath came upon the Jews, because "their house was left unto them desolate", aka being void of God.
Having no longer the security and protection from God, Satan moved in on Jerusalem and their temple through the Roman Titus.

That would be what is soon next on the prophetic calendar- Rev. 9:13-21.

Pigs on an altar, is not one of the 7 abominations against God!!
However, "the shedding of innocent blood" is on that list. Proverbs 6:16-17.
Does anyone come to mind, who said that he would raise up HIS temple body in 3 days??
Here is a clue of who committed that abomination: Mat. 27
[25] Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.

And since you believe Daniel 11:31 took.place more than 2000 years ago perhaps you could inform us who is it that has been in prison since Daniel 11:33 till the time of the end in Daniel 12:1.

Daniel 11:33-35

Wise leaders will give instruction to many, but these teachers will die by fire and sword, or they will be jailed and robbed.

During these persecutions, little help will arrive, and many who join them will not be sincere.

And some of the wise will fall victim to persecution. In this way, they will be refined and cleansed and made pure until the time of the end, for the appointed time is still to come.






Now who are you saying these wise leaders are who you say have been in prison for more than 2000 years now?

 

[Earburner]

It's like you can't even make up your mind which lie you want to tell first.

Just because you can't understand what I say according to scripture, doesn't mean or prove that I speak lies.

Ok ,so you say the great tribulation spoken of by Jesus and Daniel took place in 70 AD but then you say it's the next on the prophetic calendar.
Can't make up your mind?

Your concept of a 7 year tribulation was hi-jacked by church-ianity from out of the 70 week prophecy, and then attached to the end of time. Therefore, with you, its OK that they tell you that Jesus did not fulfill the 70th week yet, when He most certainly did.

The time "of great tribulation" began in 70AD., and we are still in it, as it progressively gets worse.

Rev. 9:13-21 is WW3, the wrath of satan for 42 months.
What will come out of it is the Mark of the Beast, which will finally be manifested as being a Global Economic Empire, the final stage of the 10H Beast, that has been evolving ever since the Roman Empire divided into the Eastern and Western empires.

As for Maccabees.Its all a lie taught by the children of the devil.Your leaders.

John 8:44-45

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

Who are the four heads of seven in Daniel 7
[6] After this I beheld, and lo another [a 3rd Beast], like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.

You should be careful who you trust to teach you .
The false propwrote Maccabees lied.

I am very careful! I follow the truth of 1 Cor. 2[5] That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power [authority]of God.

 

[tailgator]

Just because you can't understand what I say according to scripture, doesn't mean or prove that I speak lies.

Your concept of a 7 year tribulation was hi-jacked by church-ianity from out of the 70 week prophecy, and then attached to the end of time. Therefore, with you, its OK that they tell you that Jesus did not fulfill the 70th week yet, when He most certainly did.

The time "of great tribulation" began in 70AD., and we are still in it, as it progressively gets worse.

Rev. 9:13-21 is WW3, the wrath of satan for 42 months.
What will come out of it is the Mark of the Beast, which will finally be manifested as being a Global Economic Empire, the final stage of the 10H Beast, that has been evolving ever since the Roman Empire divided into the Eastern and Western empires.



Who are the four heads of seven in Daniel 7
[6] After this I beheld, and lo another [a 3rd Beast], like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.

I am very careful! I follow the truth of 1 Cor. 2[5] That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power [authority]of God.

First off.
You lied when you spoke of my 7 year tribulation because I don't have a 7 year tribulation

Be careful not to accuse others of things they don't believe in.

Second
The beast which came out of the sea who deadly wound has been healed is already preparing the mark for his kingdom.If you knew anything about it , the hen you wouldnt be spouting off the nonsense that you do.

And no ,you not careful of who you learn from.
You learned about antiochus from false doctrine.Daniela prophecy is not about antiochus.But since you believe it is ,you pay no attention to Daniels end times prophecy.


Now answer the question if you can.

Who are the people you claim to have been in prison for more than 2000 years?

 

[tailgator]

Just because you can't understand what I say according to scripture, doesn't mean or prove that I speak lies.

Your concept of a 7 year tribulation was hi-jacked by church-ianity from out of the 70 week prophecy, and then attached to the end of time. Therefore, with you, its OK that they tell you that Jesus did not fulfill the 70th week yet, when He most certainly did.

The time "of great tribulation" began in 70AD., and we are still in it, as it progressively gets worse.

Rev. 9:13-21 is WW3, the wrath of satan for 42 months.
What will come out of it is the Mark of the Beast, which will finally be manifested as being a Global Economic Empire, the final stage of the 10H Beast, that has been evolving ever since the Roman Empire divided into the Eastern and Western empires.



Who are the four heads of seven in Daniel 7
[6] After this I beheld, and lo another [a 3rd Beast], like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.

I am very careful! I follow the truth of 1 Cor. 2[5] That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power [authority]of God.

And since you believe Daniel 11:31 took.place more than 2000 years ago perhaps you could inform us who is it that has been in prison since Daniel 11:33 till the time of the end in Daniel 12:1.

Daniel 11:33-35

Wise leaders will give instruction to many, but these teachers will die by fire and sword, or they will be jailed and robbed.

During these persecutions, little help will arrive, and many who join them will not be sincere.

And some of the wise will fall victim to persecution. In this way, they will be refined and cleansed and made pure until the time of the end, for the appointed time is still to come.






Now who are you saying these wise leaders are who you say have been in prison for more than 2000 years now?

 

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And since you believe Daniel 11:31 took.place more than 2000 years ago perhaps you could inform us who is it that has been in prison since Daniel 11:33 till the time of the end in Daniel 12:1.

Daniel 11:33-35

Wise leaders will give instruction to many, but these teachers will die by fire and sword, or they will be jailed and robbed.

During these persecutions, little help will arrive, and many who join them will not be sincere.

And some of the wise will fall victim to persecution. In this way, they will be refined and cleansed and made pure until the time of the end, for the appointed time is still to come.

Now who are you saying these wise leaders are who you say have been in prison for more than 2000 years now?

It is apparent that you are not perceiving that most all of Daniel (KJV) has been fulfilled, at least 99% of it, during the "Age of Indignation". It was that Age that God was bringing to an "End", to then bring in His Age of Grace through Jesus.

If you will notice in 525+/-BC, Dan. 11:1-2 is of WHEN the 2nd beast (Medio-Persia) and 3rd beast (Grecian) are being prophesied of.
Dan. ch.11 is just more details about the 2nd and 3rd Beast, upto the coming of the 4th Beast, the Roman Empire.

Verse 3 and 4 is about Alexander the Great, and his four Generals, that received the Grecian Empire, because Alex the Great had no posterity to leave his empire to.
Those "four heads" (Dan. 7:5-6) were: Ptolemy, Lysichimus, Cassandar and Seleucus, which are known of as being the "Hellenistic kingdoms" of Greece, in the latter time of their kingdom of the 3rd Beast. 11:5-20.

Alexander the Great | Biography, Empire, Death, & Facts | Britannica

Alexander the Great, a fearless Macedonian king and military genius, conquered vast territories from Greece to Egypt and India, leaving an enduring legacy as one of history’s most remarkable conquerors.

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Out of the Seleucid kingdom, there arose "a little horn" named Antiochus Epiphanes lV, described again in 11:21
In Dan. 11, the 2nd and 3rd Beast waged war on each other until the 2nd Beast was subdued/defeated by the 3rd Beast. All four of the Hellenistic kingdoms of the 3rd beast are known also for having battles between themselves.

Antiochus Epiphanes—The Bible’s Most Notoriously Forgotten Villain

One name has escaped the attention of biblical pop culture even though his actions are arguably worse than many of his peers: Antiochus IV Epiphanes.

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Dan. 12 is prophetic about Jesus.
The name "Michael" is a code word/name for Jesus, of which is prophesied of right to the end of the chapter, even prophetically describing the Lord's disciples, being told to wait for the Gift from on high of the Holy Spirit, on the Day of Pentecost. Dan. 12:11-12; Luke 24:48-49.
> Edit: for that, you can understand the 2300 day prophecy about the desecration and restoration of the Jewish temple, during the reign of the "little horn" Antiochus Epiphanes, and how Judas Maccabeus restored the temple.
Jesus used that event in typology to point to Himself in John 2:19.

 

[tailgator]

It is apparent that you are not perceiving that most all of Daniel (KJV) has been fulfilled, at least 99% of it, during the "Age of Indignation". It was that Age that God was bringing to an "End", to then bring in His Age if Grace through Jesus.

If you will notice in 525+/-BC, Dan. 11:1-2 is of WHEN the 2nd beast (Medio-Persia) and 3rd beast (Grecian) are being prophesied of.
Dan. ch.11 is just more details about the 2nd and 3rd Beast, upto the coming of the 4th Beast, the Roman Empire.

Verse 3 and 4 is about Alexander the Great, and his four Generals, that received the Grecian Empire, because Alex the Great had no posterity to leave his empire to.
Those "four heads" were: Ptolemy, Lysichimus, Cassandar and Seleucus, which are known of as being the "Hellenistic kingdoms" of Greece, the 3rd Beast. 11:5-20.

Alexander the Great | Biography, Empire, Death, & Facts | Britannica

Alexander the Great, a fearless Macedonian king and military genius, conquered vast territories from Greece to Egypt and India, leaving an enduring legacy as one of history’s most remarkable conquerors.

www.britannica.com

Out of the Seleucid kingdom, there arose "a little horn" named Antiochus Epiphanes lV, described again in 11:21
In Dan. 11, the 2nd and 3rd Beast waged war on each other until the 2nd Beast was subdued/defeated by the 3rd Beast.

Dan. 12 is prophetic about Jesus.
The name "Michael" is a code word/name for Jesus, of which is prophesied of right to the end of the chapter, even prophetically describing the disciples waiting for the Gift "from on high" of the Holy Spirit on the Day of Pentecost. Dan. 12:11-12.

And since you believe Daniel 11:31 took.place more than 2000 years ago ,perhaps you could inform us who is it that has been in prison since Daniel 11:33 till the time of the end in Daniel 12:1.

Daniel 11:33-35

Wise leaders will give instruction to many, but these teachers will die by fire and sword, or they will be jailed and robbed.

During these persecutions, little help will arrive, and many who join them will not be sincere.

And some of the wise will fall victim to persecution. In this way, they will be refined and cleansed and made pure until the time of the end, for the appointed time is still to come.






Now who are you saying these wise leaders are who you say have been in prison for more than 2000 years now?