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But the scripture says that Jesus has reconciled us and the whole world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18-19. This means that salvation has been provided for everyone, Hebrews 2:9. You need to receive God's great free gift of salvation, Ephesians 2:8.
Ah, Pate, you've thrown your theological curveball into the Calvinist comedy club – where we spin divine debates with a touch of humor. Now, let's untangle this salvation sitcom with a Calvinist twist.

Beloved, your point about being saved from unbelief and disobedience – in the Calvinist comedy script, we might say, "Yes, indeed, salvation rescues us from the grip of unbelief, and obedience becomes the joyful response – a divine dance orchestrated by God's sovereign grace."

Now, Pate, your mention of reconciliation for the whole world – in our Calvinist humor realm, we might say, "Ah, 2 Corinthians 5:18-19, where the cosmic reconciliation dance takes center stage – not a limited guest list, but a divine invitation extended to the world through Christ's work on the Cross."

And Ephesians 2:8 – a comedic Calvinist twist would be, "God's great free gift of salvation – not earned by human effort, but bestowed as a sovereign act of grace. It's like receiving a gift you didn't know you needed, wrapped in the love of God's divine humor."

Now, let's sprinkle in some Calvinist wisdom – as John Calvin once said, "God preordained, for his own glory and the display of His attributes of mercy and justice, a part of the human race, without any merit of their own, to eternal salvation, and another part, in just punishment of their sin, to eternal damnation."

So, Pate, let's keep the laughter divine and rooted in the Gospel truth – where God's sovereign plan and human response dance together in the grand comedy of salvation. #CalvinistComedyClub #GospelLaughs
 

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What about those who never believe in Him ? Did He die for them and reconcile them to God ? Yes or No
NO, and you should understand the "perfect" example Christ Jesus gave to the whole world.

He was on the cross on crucifixion day and incase YOU or anyone has forgotten this part...

Again from KJV for those who only follow King Jimmy's

Luke 24 : 39- 43

39 And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us.

40 But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?

41 And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.

42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.

43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.

Only one was reconciled to God.
 
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False, those for whom He died are reconciled by His Death Read Rom 5:10, and they are saved by His Life.
Ah, Eternally Grateful, Beloved has thrown a theological pie into the Calvinist comedy club – where we navigate divine debates with a touch of humor. Let's unravel this salvation script with a Calvinist twist.
Beloved, your point about reconciliation through His death – in the Calvinist comedy script, we might say, "Indeed, Romans 5:10, where the cosmic reconciliation drama unfolds – His death sets the stage, but it's the sovereign grace that orchestrates the salvation symphony."
Now, Eternally Grateful, your analogy with Moses and the serpent – in our Calvinist humor realm, we'd say, "Ah, a divine callback to the Old Testament sitcom – just like the serpent on the pole, Christ on the Cross is the ultimate salvation spectacle. But, it's the divine invitation extended to believers, mirroring the sovereign dance of God's plan."
And let's sprinkle in some Calvinist wisdom – as John Calvin once said, "Christ has been given to us by God's generosity, to be grasped and possessed by us in faith. By partaking of him, we principally receive a double grace."
Now, Beloved, your disagreement – in our Calvinist comedy club, we might respond with a chuckle, "Ah, the age-old debate – for whom did Christ die? Romans 5:10 is our backstage pass to the divine drama where His death reconciles, and His life saves – a Calvinist comedy where belief is the response to God's sovereign grace."
So, let's keep the laughter divine and rooted in the Gospel truth – where the stage is set by Christ's work, and our response is the dance of faith in the grand comedy of salvation. #CalvinistComedyClub #GospelLaughs
 
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Only a blank fool would believe and state on a public Christian Forum... that The Cross of Christ, that is the Love of God expressed... is a ...."divine comedy".

Care to try that one again?

Are you that mentally incapacitated? or do you just enjoy a bit of public blasphemy now and then, @Tulipbee ?
Ah, Behold, welcome to the Calvinist comedy club – where theological banter meets divine humor. Now, your fiery response has added a spicy twist to the laughter. Let's navigate this divine comedy with a touch of Calvinist wit.

Behold, your reaction to the term "divine comedy" – in the Calvinist comedy script, we might say, "Ah, the delicate dance of theological language. It's not about mocking the Cross; it's about untangling the intricate plot of God's sovereign grace with a splash of humor."

And to address your concern – in the Calvinist humor realm, we might quote Calvin himself, who said, "Our wisdom, in so far as it ought to be deemed true and solid wisdom, consists almost entirely of two parts: the knowledge of God and of ourselves."

Now, let's sprinkle in some Calvinist wisdom on God's sovereignty – as Calvin once said, "Whatever be the kind of tribulation with which we are afflicted, we should always consider the sovereignty of God as the foundation of our comfort."

Behold, your accusation of public blasphemy – in the Calvinist comedy club, we might respond with a chuckle, "Ah, the dramatic flair of theological debates. Let's not let disagreements turn into a theological soap opera; after all, our laughter is rooted in the Gospel truth."

So, let's keep the laughter divine and rooted in the Gospel truth – where the Cross is central, and our banter, though spirited, is part of the grand comedy of God's sovereign plan. #CalvinistComedyClub #GospelLaughs
 

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JBO said:
But baptism is the occasion, the time in the life of the believer, when God has promised to save him. Can God saved one who has not been baptized. I suppose so; but God has not said so.
Yes, baptism of the spirit. Not baptism in water.

Water baptism no more saves you than circumcision saved the jew.
To @JBO...

Then, according to you, my neighbor, age 80, who was immersed baptised when he was in his teens with others being immersed baptised was the occasion in that man's life that God promised to save him.avi_headscratch.gif
Even though 60 some years later, with his wife already passed, he sat in our kitchen last year and said he had no idea why he was baptised......

To@Eternally Grateful...

Thank you, thank you, thank you for bringing good common sense into this subject :Thumbsup::Thumbsup:
 
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You have a serious problem. You don't believe the Bible, you only believe what you want to believe. Jesus has reconciled the whole world unto God, "God was in Christ reconciling the WORLD unto himself" 2 Corinthians 5:19. God does not create mindless robots.
Well, well, looks like we've got a theological showdown here, folks! It's brightfame52 versus pate, and the ring is the comments section. Get ready for some spiritual sparring!

beloved57 is throwing some Romans 5:10 punches, saying, "Hey, when we were enemies, we got reconciled by the death of Jesus. Now that we're reconciled, we're on the salvation train, choo-choo!" Classic Calvinist move right there.

But then, here comes pate, dropping a 2 Corinthians 5:19 bomb – "God was in Christ reconciling the WORLD unto himself." It's like pate is saying, "Brightfame52, you're thinking too small. It's not just about a select few; God's got the whole world in His reconciling arms."

Now, imagine John Calvin stepping into the ring, wearing his theological gloves, ready to quote some of his greatest hits. He'd probably say, "Listen up, folks. The elect are predestined, and ain't nobody falling out of God's grasp. We're not mindless robots, but chosen vessels sailing on the Sovereignty Ship!"

And just to spice things up, Calvin would throw in some Ephesians 1:4-5 action – "Even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world." Boom! Predestination vibes.

Now, let's not forget the Wesleyan flavor in the mix. Wesley might pop up and say, "Hold on, pals! Prevenient grace is the warm-up act. God's grace is reaching out to all, inviting everyone to the salvation dance. It's not just for a select few; it's a cosmic invitation."

In the end, the Gospel would be the ultimate mic drop. "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life." (John 3:16) Now, let the theological banter continue!
 

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Jesus used that for a reason.. why do people just overlook it
Because that was not how I was Born Again...I was Born Again like the wind having never read a Bible..so how would I have known about the serpent?
I’ve already asked you this question, yet no reply?

We are Born Again exactly as Jesus explains to Nicodemus..do you actually understand that part of scripture?

That is how we are Born Again...
 
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But the scripture says that Jesus has reconciled us and the whole world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18-19. This means that salvation has been provided for everyone, Hebrews 2:9. You need to receive God's great free gift of salvation, Ephesians 2:8.
Ah, Beloved57 and Pate, the theological banter in the Calvinist comedy club continues – where divine debates are seasoned with a touch of humor. Let's weave through this salvation script with a Calvinist twist.
Beloved57, your insight on being saved from unbelief and disobedience – in the Calvinist comedy script, we might say, "A divine rescue mission – saved from the pitfalls of unbelief and disobedience. It's like God's ultimate superhero move, complementing the grand reconciliation dance."
Now, Pate, your mention of Jesus reconciling the whole world – in our Calvinist humor realm, we'd say, "2 Corinthians 5:18-19, the cosmic reconciliation extravaganza – not an exclusive VIP list, but a divine invitation extended to the whole world through Christ's work on the Cross."
And your call to receive God's great free gift of salvation – in the Calvinist comedy club, we might respond with a chuckle, "Ephesians 2:8, the divine giveaway – not a limited-time offer, but a timeless grace bestowed on those whom God has sovereignly chosen."
Now, let's sprinkle in some Calvinist wisdom – as John Calvin once said, "Faith is not the human notion and dream that some people call faith; when they see that no help is forthcoming from them, but that the matter is desperate, they flee to faith."
So, Pate, let's keep the laughter divine and rooted in the Gospel truth – where the salvation script, though nuanced, is part of the grand comedy of God's sovereign plan. #CalvinistComedyClub #GospelLaughs
 

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Because that was not how I was Born Again...I was Born Again like the wind having never read a Bible..so how would I have known about the serpent?
I’ve already asked you this question, yet no reply?

We are Born Again exactly as Jesus explains to Nicodemus..do you actually understand that part of scripture?

That is how we are Born Again...
Ah, my sister.... so glad to see someone understands what Christ Jesus was saying to Nicodemus. hug_smiley.gif
 
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Paul is writing to them who were reconciled to God by His Death and saved by His Life, thats it. Rom 5:10
Ah, JBO and brightframe57, the theological banter in the Calvinist comedy club takes a delightful turn – where divine debates are spiced with a touch of humor. Let's pirouette through this discussion on grace, faith, and the scope of Christ's death with a Calvinist twist.

JBO, your reminder of Christ dying for the whole world – in the Calvinist comedy script, we might say, "A divine blockbuster – Christ, the cosmic superstar, taking center stage for the whole world. It's like a celestial movie premiere, and the believers are the enthusiastic audience donning their 'saved' tickets."

Now, brightframe57, your distinction between grace and faith – in our Calvinist humor realm, we'd say, "Ah, the divine duo – grace and faith, God's part and man's part. It's like a heavenly dance where God takes the lead, and believers follow in faith, gracefully twirling to the rhythm of redemption."

And let's sprinkle in some Calvinist wisdom – as John Calvin once said, "Faith is a singular gift of God, both in that the mind of man is purged so as to be able to taste the truth of God and in that his heart is established therein." So, in our Calvinist comedy, faith is not a self-generated performance but a divine gift.

Now, brightframe57, your reference to Romans 5:10 – in the Calvinist comedy club, we might respond with a chuckle, "Romans 5:10, the divine drama – reconciled to God by His death and saved by His life. It's like a celestial soap opera with the ultimate plot twist – Christ's resurrection."

So, JBO and brightframe57, let's keep the laughter divine and rooted in the Gospel truth – where Christ's death is indeed a cosmic blockbuster, and faith, a graceful dance in response to God's irresistible grace. #CalvinistComedyClub #GospelLaughs
 
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I know what I am saying, apparently you havent a clue !
Ah, Ritajanice and brightframe57, the Calvinist comedy club welcomes you to the divine banter – where theological disagreements take center stage, and the laughter is seasoned with a touch of humor. Let's tango through this exchange with a Calvinist twist.

Ritajanice, your sincere hope and decision to exit – in the Calvinist comedy script, we might say, "Ah, the divine dance of disagreement. It's like a theological tango – one steps out, and the other remains, but the laughter continues."

Now, brightframe57, your confident response – in our Calvinist humor realm, we'd say, "Confidence level: Calvinist. It's like a divine game of 'Who Knows Theology Best?' – and apparently, you've got the theological clue, leaving others in a divine guessing game."

And let's sprinkle in some Calvinist wisdom – as John Calvin once said, "The gospel is not a doctrine of the tongue, but of life. It cannot be grasped by reason and memory only, but it is fully understood when it possesses the whole soul and penetrates to the inner recesses of the heart." So, in our Calvinist comedy, it's not just about the theological banter but about the Gospel transforming hearts.

Now, brightframe57, your claim of having a clue – in the Calvinist comedy club, we might respond with a chuckle, "Ah, the cosmic crossword puzzle of theology. Some find the clues, others get puzzled, but let's not forget, the laughter is in the Gospel's ultimate punchline."

So, Ritajanice and brightframe57, let's keep the laughter divine and rooted in the Gospel truth – where disagreements are part of the theological comedy, but the Gospel remains the central plotline. #CalvinistComedyClub #GospelLaughs
 
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Correct the we are believers in Rom 5:10, I just said that, cant you read ?
Let's waltz through this discussion on "we" in Romans 5:10 with a Calvinist twist.

JBO, your reminder that the "we" in Romans 5:10 refers to those who have been saved – in the Calvinist comedy script, we might say, "A divine revelation – the 'we' in Romans 5:10, not a mysterious code but a clear reference to those justified by faith. It's like Paul leaving a theological trail of breadcrumbs, not a divine cryptic crossword."

Now, brightframe57, your plea to correct and clarify – in our Calvinist humor realm, we'd say, "Ah, the divine editor – making sure the 'we' is properly highlighted. It's like a theological proofreading session, ensuring that believers get their justified by faith certificate without any syntax errors."

And let's sprinkle in some Calvinist wisdom – as John Calvin once said, "Faith is a firm and certain knowledge of God's benevolence toward us, founded upon the truth of the freely given promise in Christ." So, in our Calvinist comedy, faith is not just a vague notion but a firm and certain knowledge.

Now, JBO, your emphasis on being justified by faith – in the Calvinist comedy club, we might respond with a chuckle, "Romans 5:1, the divine introduction – justified by faith, standing in grace, and exulting in hope. It's like a celestial networking event where believers get an exclusive VIP pass."

So, JBO and brightframe57, let's keep the laughter divine and rooted in the Gospel truth – where the "we" in Romans 5:10 is not a theological puzzle but a clear proclamation of the justified by faith believers. #CalvinistComedyClub #GospelLaughs
 
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The "we" that Paul is speaking to in Romans 5:10 are those who have been saved.

Rom 5:1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
Rom 5:2 through whom also we have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace in which we stand; and we exult in hope of the glory of God.
Ah, brightframe57 and JBO, the theological banter in the Calvinist comedy club continues – where divine debates are seasoned with a touch of humor. Let's cha-cha through this discussion on the "we" in Romans 5:10 with a Calvinist twist.

Brightframe57, your assertion that those for whom Christ died are reconciled by His death – in the Calvinist comedy script, we might say, "A divine reconciliation dance – Christ taking the lead, and believers following in the graceful steps of justification and reconciliation. It's like a heavenly tango where Christ's death sets the rhythm."

Now, JBO, your focus on the "we" being those who have been saved – in our Calvinist humor realm, we'd say, "Ah, the divine guest list – those justified by faith, standing in grace, and exulting in hope. It's like a celestial RSVP, where believers get an exclusive invitation to the grand banquet of salvation."

And let's sprinkle in some Calvinist wisdom – as John Calvin once said, "We are justified not by works, but by faith alone." So, in our Calvinist comedy, it's not about the celestial choreography of our deeds but the faith that leads us to the dance floor of grace.

Now, Brightframe57, your emphasis on being saved by His life – in the Calvinist comedy club, we might respond with a chuckle, "Romans 5:10, the divine sequel – saved by His life, the ultimate blockbuster. It's like a cosmic movie franchise where Christ's life is the sequel that ensures believers an eternity of glory."

So, Brightframe57 and JBO, let's keep the laughter divine and rooted in the Gospel truth – where the "we" in Romans 5:10 is not a theological puzzle but a clear proclamation of the justified, reconciled, and saved believers. #CalvinistComedyClub #GospelLaughs
 
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False, those for whom He died are reconciled by His Death Read Rom 5:10, and they are saved by His Life.
Ah, Eternally Grateful and brightfame57, welcome to the Calvinist comedy club – where theological banter meets divine humor. Let's waltz through this discussion on Christ's sacrifice and reconciliation with a Calvinist twist.
Eternally Grateful, your analogy of the serpent on the pole in the OT – in the Calvinist comedy script, we might say, "A divine snake charmer – just as Moses lifted the serpent, Christ lifted our sins on the cross. It's like a heavenly symbol that only those who believe and look receive the antidote of salvation. The divine pharmacy is open!"
Now, brightfame57, your claim that those for whom Christ died are reconciled by His death – in our Calvinist humor realm, we'd say, "Romans 5:10, the divine reconciliation party – Christ's death sending out celestial invitations. It's like a heavenly RSVP where believers respond and join the grand banquet of reconciliation and salvation. The RSVP is written in the Book of Life!"
And let's sprinkle in some Calvinist wisdom – as John Calvin once said, "Justification is the main hinge on which salvation turns." So, in our Calvinist comedy, it's not about an open-ended salvation offer but a divine justification that swings wide the gates of eternal life.
Now, Eternally Grateful, your emphasis on belief for reconciliation – in the Calvinist comedy club, we might respond with a chuckle, "Ah, the celestial belief buffet – where faith is the key to unlock the reconciliation feast. It's like a heavenly potluck, and believers bring the dish of faith to the table."
So, Eternally Grateful and brightfame57, let's keep the laughter divine and rooted in the Gospel truth – where Christ's death and believers' faith dance together in the grand ballroom of salvation. #CalvinistComedyClub #GospelLaughs
 

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Ah, Pate, you've thrown your theological curveball into the Calvinist comedy club – where we spin divine debates with a touch of humor. Now, let's untangle this salvation sitcom with a Calvinist twist.

Beloved, your point about being saved from unbelief and disobedience – in the Calvinist comedy script, we might say, "Yes, indeed, salvation rescues us from the grip of unbelief, and obedience becomes the joyful response – a divine dance orchestrated by God's sovereign grace."

Now, Pate, your mention of reconciliation for the whole world – in our Calvinist humor realm, we might say, "Ah, 2 Corinthians 5:18-19, where the cosmic reconciliation dance takes center stage – not a limited guest list, but a divine invitation extended to the world through Christ's work on the Cross."

And Ephesians 2:8 – a comedic Calvinist twist would be, "God's great free gift of salvation – not earned by human effort, but bestowed as a sovereign act of grace. It's like receiving a gift you didn't know you needed, wrapped in the love of God's divine humor."

Now, let's sprinkle in some Calvinist wisdom – as John Calvin once said, "God preordained, for his own glory and the display of His attributes of mercy and justice, a part of the human race, without any merit of their own, to eternal salvation, and another part, in just punishment of their sin, to eternal damnation."

So, Pate, let's keep the laughter divine and rooted in the Gospel truth – where God's sovereign plan and human response dance together in the grand comedy of salvation. #CalvinistComedyClub #GospelLaughs
You said, Something about a "Calvinist twist." That is exactly what it is. You have to twist the scriptures. Predestination does not glorify God, it makes him an unmerciful tyrant. It is not possible to have faith in the God of Calvinism. No one is going to be laughing in your Calvinist Gospel Club. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. You might be better off to not believe in any God, than to blasphemy with all of your false doctrine.
 
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Believers, of course. The Elect to be specific
Ah, JBO and brightfame57, the theological banter in the Calvinist comedy club takes center stage – where divine debates are seasoned with a touch of humor. Let's tango through this discussion on the "we" in Romans 5:10 with a Calvinist twist.
JBO, your question about the "we" – in the Calvinist comedy script, we might say, "Ah, the cosmic pronoun game – 'we,' not a mystery novel but a clear reference to believers. It's like a divine grammar lesson where the heavenly subject is none other than the Elect."
Now, brightfame57, your confident response about believers, specifically the Elect – in our Calvinist humor realm, we'd say, "Electic knowledge – knowing that the 'we' in Romans 5:10 is not a theological guessing game. It's like a celestial VIP list where the Elect get front-row seats to the grand spectacle of justification and reconciliation."
And let's sprinkle in some Calvinist wisdom – as John Calvin once said, "God preordained, for his own glory and the display of His attributes of mercy and justice, a part of the human race, without any merit of their own, to eternal salvation." So, in our Calvinist comedy, the "we" includes those preordained for the cosmic front-row seats.
Now, JBO, your inquiry about the identity of the "we" – in the Calvinist comedy club, we might respond with a chuckle, "Ah, the divine guest list revelation – 'we,' not a generic crowd but the chosen Elect. It's like a celestial RSVP where believers respond, 'Count me in!'"
So, JBO and brightfame57, let's keep the laughter divine and rooted in the Gospel truth – where the "we" in Romans 5:10 is not a theological riddle but a clear proclamation of the chosen and preordained Elect. #CalvinistComedyClub #GospelLaughs
 

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True.

But God does the work to bring you to belief, and he did the work you believe in, Hence it is his work not yours.
But that is not what it says. They asked Jesus a question. Jesus answered their question. Their question was what work could they do. Jesus told them the work that they could do was to believe.
The only condition is the cross.
If that were the case then none would be lost.
Yes, baptism of the spirit. Not baptism in water.
The command is to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Did you obey that command.
Water baptism no more saves you than circumcision saved the jew.
The Jew wasn't circumcised for the forgiveness of sin. Baptism, even John's baptism was for the forgiveness of sin. As for circumcision,

Col 2:11 and in Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ;
Col 2:12 having been buried with Him in baptism, in which you were also raised up with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.

Col 2:13 When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions,

And I didn't say nor have ever said that baptism saves. God saves. The question is who does He save and when does He save him. The passage Colossians 2:11 that I just posted, tells you who god save and when; specifically it is the one who has faith and has buried with Him in Baptism. There is no avoiding the truth that the baptism there is water baptism.
 

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Ah, Ritajanice and brightframe57, the Calvinist comedy club welcomes you to the divine banter – where theological disagreements take center stage, and the laughter is seasoned with a touch of humor. Let's tango through this exchange with a Calvinist twist.

Ritajanice, your sincere hope and decision to exit – in the Calvinist comedy script, we might say, "Ah, the divine dance of disagreement. It's like a theological tango – one steps out, and the other remains, but the laughter continues."

Now, brightframe57, your confident response – in our Calvinist humor realm, we'd say, "Confidence level: Calvinist. It's like a divine game of 'Who Knows Theology Best?' – and apparently, you've got the theological clue, leaving others in a divine guessing game."

And let's sprinkle in some Calvinist wisdom – as John Calvin once said, "The gospel is not a doctrine of the tongue, but of life. It cannot be grasped by reason and memory only, but it is fully understood when it possesses the whole soul and penetrates to the inner recesses of the heart." So, in our Calvinist comedy, it's not just about the theological banter but about the Gospel transforming hearts.

Now, brightframe57, your claim of having a clue – in the Calvinist comedy club, we might respond with a chuckle, "Ah, the cosmic crossword puzzle of theology. Some find the clues, others get puzzled, but let's not forget, the laughter is in the Gospel's ultimate punchline."

So, Ritajanice and brightframe57, let's keep the laughter divine and rooted in the Gospel truth – where disagreements are part of the theological comedy, but the Gospel remains the central plotline. #CalvinistComedyClub #GospelLaughs
You have a great gift.are you a writer or poet?..
 
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