The first horseman of the Apocalypse

[David in NJ]

Your claim is in left field and in error

The Holy Spirit is better then religion - he will only declare to you Truth, as found in the Scriptures.

 

[Zao is life]

Your claim is in left field and in error

LOL.

I wonder how many times you've typed "and in error". I've seen you do it hundreds of times already, and I'm still "new" here.

@Truth7t7 Also, please don't forget to add "left field" to "in error" from now on whenever someone disagrees with you. We need to recognize you by your trademark, not half the trademark like a piece of the VW sign broken off your bonnett.

@Truth7t7 Sorry. Hood. I forget the correct American English sometimes.

 

[David in NJ]

You claim I deny the second death, this is "false"

The (Second Death) is the second resurrection of the wicked to final judgement, that takes place on the last day at the second coming

I would request you stop the misrepresentation of myself, you have clearly been shown my belief below several times

There is one time of resurrection for all, this takes place on the (Last Day) at the Second Coming of Jesus Christ

There are (Two) resurrections on this (Last Day) the righteous are blessed to be in the (First Resurrection) to eternal life, on such the (Second) death resurrection has no power.

1.) (First) Resurrection To Life
2.) (Second) Resurrection To Damnation, The Second Death

Revelation 20:6KJV
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The (Last Day) Resurrection Of All Below

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The (Last Day) Judgement

John 12:48KJV
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Our Lord Jesus Christ said there is a BEFORE and AFTER in Rev 20

So, how can Scripture be wrong when???

BEFORE satan is locked up, our Lord Returns/Second Coming to usher forth the First Resurrection.

the Second Death and the second resurrection take place AFTER the Thousand Year Reign.
and AFTER the Thousand Year Reign is fulfilled, satan is released to go out and deceive the nations to battle against the Holy City.

 

[Truth7t7]

Our Lord Jesus Christ said there is a BEFORE and AFTER in Rev 20

So, how can Scripture be wrong when???

BEFORE satan is locked up, our Lord Returns/Second Coming to usher forth the First Resurrection.

the Second Death and the second resurrection take place AFTER the Thousand Year Reign.
and AFTER the Thousand Year Reign is fulfilled, satan is released to go out and deceive the nations to battle against the Holy City.

Those are your opinions of scripture, and it is my opinion you are in error, we will disagree

 

[David in NJ]

Those are your opinions of scripture, and it is my opinion you are in error, we will disagree

Now you have me laughing again - you boast of yourself and such boasting is not good and does not come from the Holy Spirit.

You cannot answer simple questions - by this alone we know who is in error.

Scripture cannot lie - but men do.

 

[Truth7t7]

You cannot answer simple questions - by this alone we know who is in error.

Scripture cannot lie - but men do.

You suggest that I'm a liar, your claim is false and a personal attack

 

[Stumpmaster]

Are the seals the events, or the seals that seal the apocalypse (unveiling) of the events?

Hi FOTG.
Metaphors of Momentum:
The thing about horses is their stamina. Those panoramic shots in movies that show horses running and running and running with their hooves thundering in rhythmic audio are indicative of the imagery in the metaphorical four horseman which portray factors that contribute to the Day of Judgment.

Just as horses on the gallop keep coming so do the factors the four horsemen represent until Judgment is fulfilled. John saw the Lamb open the Seven Seals and now we have the disclosure of the Divine Order Of Momentum, as I am wont to call the numerical cadence intrinsic to the Book of Revelation.

Revelation 13 has one beast rising from the sea of sinful humanity as wickedness escalates to a final climax, and another beast coming out of the earth of evil vanity to take control of humanity through the infrastructure in place. God allows this for the purpose of testing the faithful and fulfulling Judgment.

This climax is the culmination of these seven contributing factors as mentioned in the narrative that describes the opening of the seven seals.

1. Conquest
2. Conflict
3. Commodities
4. Carnage
5. Complaint
6. Catastrophe
7. Clarion

 

[David in NJ]

You suggest that I'm a liar, your claim is false and a personal attack

Stop with your false responses - answer the questions according to Scripture in TRUTH - 'do not add or take away words' Prov 30 Rev 22

Answer the questions and bring forth Scripture that refutes Revelation chapter 20.

Since you are unable to do this you accuse us of error - thus calling us, who believe God's Word, liars.

 

[Truth7t7]

Since you are unable to do this you accuse us of error - thus calling us, who believe God's Word, liars.

Your claim is false, I state you are in "Error" mistaken, imprudent, not a "Liar", And it's my "Opinion" you are in error

Stop the personal attacks

Merriam-Webster
Definition of error

1a: an act or condition of ignorant or imprudent deviation from a code of behavior

b: an act involving an unintentional deviation from truth or accuracy

made an error in adding up the bill

 

[David in NJ]

Your claim is false, I state you are in "Error" mistaken, not a "Liar", And it's my "Opinion" you are in error

Stop the personal attacks

Stop the personal attacks

 

[Oseas]

Aside from the fact that he's riding on a white horse and wearing a stephanos crown proves that he is not the Antichrist, and the second horseman is riding a red horse which is the color of the dragon in Revelation 12: 3, I don't know what his identity is. He could be a Christian leader.
This is what He's out to do:
Matthew 24
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be proclaimed in all the world as a witness to all nations. And then the end shall come.
Revelation 14
6 And I saw another angel flying in mid-heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to those dwelling on the earth, even to every nation and kindred and tongue and people,
7 saying with a great voice, Fear God and give glory to Him! For the hour of His Judgment has come. And worship Him who made the heaven and the earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

The Lord GOD prepared a white horse for the battle in this current time of Apocalypse, but the most important is the rider. By the way, White is a symbol of purity, so any stain appears and is easily noticed on what is white.

Prov. 21:v.31KJV - 31 The horse is prepared against the Day of battle: but safety is of the Lord.
Prov. 21:v.31CJB - 31 A horse may be prepared for the Day of battle, but victory comes from Adonai.

Aside from the white horse, God provided the rider with a simple bow for this final battle, battle of the Apocalypse against the enemies of God-JESUS-, but he also has a sharp Sword, but in this first moment (Revelation 6) he will only use a simple bow, prophetically the effect of this battle will be the union between Christ and His Church according the Word of GOD, Psalm 45:v. 1 to 17, especially verses 5 and 6 revealing the use of the bow and shooting sharp arrows at those who are enemies of the King our Lord.

At the end of the day, I rely on the Bible itself to inform when when something is a symbol, and what that symbol means. It think that when we declare something to be symbolic, we need to show Scripture which makes that declaration, and defines the symbol, or else, simply stated, we lack Scriptural authority. Much love!

With regard to symbols as well as parables, there are several symbols em Revelation 14:v.7 you quoted above, as follow:

Fear God and give glory to Him! For the hour of His Judgment has come. And worship Him who
made the heaven(s) (the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd heavens, and the heaven of the heavens)
and the earth (earth here is not the Planet Earth, but Israel, the clay, the dry land, created in the third Day),
and the sea(peoples, and nations, and multitudes of all tongues according Genesis 11:v.7-9),
and the fountains of waters (The Old and New Testaments in JESUS. The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life). Only a example.

God bless

 

[David in NJ]

Your claim is false, I state you are in "Error" mistaken, imprudent, not a "Liar", And it's my "Opinion" you are in error

Stop the personal attacks

Merriam-Webster
Definition of error

1a: an act or condition of ignorant or imprudent deviation from a code of behavior

b: an act involving an unintentional deviation from truth or accuracy

made an error in adding up the bill

The Lord GOD prepared a white horse for the battle in this current time of Apocalypse, but the most important is the rider. By the way, White is a symbol of purity, so any stain appears and is easily noticed on what is white.

Prov. 21:v.31KJV - 31 The horse is prepared against the Day of battle: but safety is of the Lord.
Prov. 21:v.31CJB - 31 A horse may be prepared for the Day of battle, but victory comes from Adonai.

Aside from the white horse, God provided the rider with a simple bow for this final battle, battle of the Apocalypse against the enemies of God-JESUS-, but he also has a sharp Sword, but in this first moment (Revelation 6) he will only use a simple bow, prophetically the effect of this battle will be the union between Christ and His Church according the Word of GOD, Psalm 45:v. 1 to 17, especially verses 5 and 6 revealing the use of the bow and shooting sharp arrows at those who are enemies of the King our Lord.




With regard to symbols as well as parables, there are several symbols em Revelation 14:v.7 you quoted above, as follow:

Fear God and give glory to Him! For the hour of His Judgment has come. And worship Him who
made the heaven(s) (the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd heavens, and the heaven of the heavens)
and the earth (earth here is not the Planet Earth, but Israel, the clay, the dry land, created in the third Day),
and the sea(peoples, and nations, and multitudes of all tongues according Genesis 11:v.7-9),
and the fountains of waters (The Old and New Testaments in JESUS. The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life). Only a example.

God bless

It is impossible, according to Scripture for the First Rider to be the Lord Jesus Christ. Key here is: according to Scripture.

The Rider has a Bow but NO Arrows - this also is a clue.

Peace

 

[Oseas]

It is impossible, according to Scripture for the First Rider to be the Lord Jesus Christ. Key here is: according to Scripture.

The Rider has a Bow but NO Arrows - this also is a clue.

Peace

I did not say the Rider is our Lord Jesus Christ, IOW I did not think what you did think I think, according your reply. No problem, what matters is the Truth, GOD is Truth, the Rider is not JESUS, really. The Rider is one who will cast the Dragon, that old Serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, into the bottomless pit. He will shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more. Revelation 20:v.1-3

God bless

 

[Stumpmaster]

Who is the rider, and what is he going out to do?

Much love!

To my way of thinking the first horseman symbolises any conquering power in the context of God allowing superior force to run its course.

Crowns symbolise sovereign power.
Bows symbolise weaponised capabilities.
Horses symbolise sustained momentum.

 

[David in NJ]

I did not say the Rider is our Lord Jesus Christ, IOW I did not think what you did think I think, according your reply. No problem, what matters is the Truth, GOD is Truth, the Rider is not JESUS, really. The Rider is one who will cast the Dragon, that old Serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, into the bottomless pit. He will shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more. Revelation 20:v.1-3

God bless

My apology for my misunderstanding.
But it is, according to Scripture, impossible for the First Rider to be the Lord.
The First Rider with Crown and Bow on White Horse is also symbolic of the many antichrists unleashed upon the world.
The Four Horsemen are Judgements.

The REAL Jesus is in Rev 19
Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself.

 

[Oseas]

My apology for my misunderstanding.
But it is, according to Scripture, impossible for the First Rider to be the Lord.
The First Rider with Crown and Bow on White Horse is also symbolic of the many antichrists unleashed upon the world.
The Four Horsemen are Judgements.

The REAL Jesus is in Rev 19
Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself.

Dear David, I am not discussing with you. What matters is the Truth. GOD is the Truth.

The Rider "has a name written(written in the Holy Scriptures, understand?) that no MAN knows except Himself", then how can you say his name is JESUS? What prevails is the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD. I am only confirming what is written, as must do all TRUE believers.

Moreover, to say the whitehorse rider is Antichrist is a blasphemy, because he is not.

 

[David in NJ]

Ah, so i did understand you correctly - my good.

The First Rider is not the SAME as our Lord Jesus on the white horse from Rev 19

This is CRYSTAL clear in Scripture.

Anyone who says the First Rider is the Lord Jesus Christ is making a mistake on Identity - thus the deception of false christs.

You need a good dose of the Fear of the Lord as it is written:
For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

It is impossible for the First Horseman to be the Lord Jesus Christ just as it says in Revelation chapter 19.

 

[Oseas]

To my way of thinking the first horseman symbolises any conquering power in the context of God allowing superior force to run its course.

The Word of GOD is the Power. The Word is GOD.
There are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit (who is not a Ghost as is written in English language, but a Person): and these three are One.

 

[Oseas]

Ah, so i did understand you correctly - my good.
The First Rider is not the SAME as our Lord Jesus on the white horse from Rev 19
It is impossible for the First Horseman to be the Lord Jesus Christ just as it says in Revelation chapter 19.

Dear David, the first rider is not our Lord JESUS, this is true, in fact it is he who fight against the Dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan - read Revelation 20:1-3.

Again, how can you say the whitehorse rider Revelation 19 is JESUS, if the Word of GOD says "he has a name written that NO MAN knows but he himself? I confirm the Word of GOD that NO MAN knows his name. Do not you believe in what the Word-GOD-
says? There are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit (who is not a Ghost as is written in English language, but a Person): and these three are One.

Yes, Every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book (book of Revelation), If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the PLAGUESs that are written in this book:

And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

It is preferable not to write anything from the book of Revelation, than to write falsifying it, this because of the consequences.

 

[David in NJ]

The Word of GOD is the Power. The Word is GOD.
There are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit (who is not a Ghost as is written in English language, but a Person): and these three are One.

i am with you Brother - and i love what you just posted here: 'Three bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit' - AMEN
i love you, my Brother in Christ, and am not against you
Please take some time to compare the clear differences between the First Rider and Our Lord Jesus Christ/ the WORD/ King of kings in Rev 19

You will clearly see they are two completely different

PEACE my Brother - i am not one to blaspheme as the terror of judgement is too great and horrifying