The Doctrines of Grace

[Behold]

And yet, NONE of you has been able to provide a refutation for the Biblical I provided evidence FOR it.

Here is the issue.

The Cult of Mary, creates theology, that becomes what Catholics are taught to believe....next.

Their Pope just legalized Gay Priests....and soon enough a lot of Catholics will lock step and agree.

The problem here is one core issue, and that is........so much of Mary Cult Theology , is not found in any bible.

Take......>"the ascension of Mary". or "" RELICS"...... but for now we'll just land on Mary flying to heaven in her dead body....Reader.

Not one bible on God's green globe has a sentence in it that even suggests that Mary ascended to Heaven as a dead body after she DIED , as this Cult teaches......, NOR> is there any apostle who knew about it, according to ALL BIBLES.

Yet, the CCult, teaches this FANTASY..... as if its on every page of a NT, when its NOWHERE in any BIBLE.

And the cult of Mary members, are taught to believe "..'well, the bible is not really finished, its just the basic theology, and the CCult, and our Church Fathers are always in the process of adding to it, for 1600 yrs.... as they decide to do, and we are taught to BELIEVE IT"..

So, a Catholic says......>"well of course"..........and that is the problem, and they are brain washed, and cult fed, to only be able to see it in that closed minded lights off, cult mentality.

Thats a fact that will never change.

 

[GodsGrace]

WOW - where to begin??

First of all – you only respond to things that are about you and NOT about Scripture and doctrine. Maybe it’s because you can’t offer Biblically-sound rebuttals . . .

What do I know about scripture Bread?
Nothing.

Secondly – if your students fear Purgatory more than Hell – it sounds like they’re getting some pretty BAD catechesis. And for a priest who doesn’t care about who is teaching the children in his parish- it speaks VOLUMES about his theological laziness and apathy.

They're NOT STUDENTS Bread....no PhD after my name.
You just are not good at listening. Or maybe you listen but you can't HEAR.

I wouldn't talk about priests I don't know.
You think you know everything and are sitting in the seat of Moses.
But you're not Bread.
You're one big nobody for the Catholic Church...
Know why?
BECAUSE YOU DRIVE PEOPLE AWAY.

And there you go again with your “brick-and-mortar” lies. Not ONCE have I said anything that even remotely resembles that abomination.
Do you feel nothing when you violated God’s Commandment against bearing FALSE witness (Exod. 20:16)??

Huh?
Yes. This is why I don't take you seriously and do not like posting to you in a serious manner.

And, even though I give you statistical evidence that the Catholic Churh isn’t “dwindling” – you persist in your lie that is IS. Is there ever a situation where you actually tell the truth?:

Oh. This is just too much.
Make a trip to Europe Bread.
CHRISTIANITY in general is DWINDLING in WESTERN CIVILIZATION.

Maybe you haven't noticed?

A Biblical warning for people who love lies and dishonesty:
Rev. 21:8
But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters AND ALL LIARS—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur.

Personally, I like
James 3:1 and I live by it.
1 Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren, knowing that as such we will incur a stricter judgment.

You sure do bring out the worst in people.
Not a very Christianly thing to do.

 

[GodsGrace]

Here is the issue.

The Cult of Mary, creates theology, that becomes what Catholics are taught to believe....next.

Their Pope just legalized Gay Priests....and soon enough a lot of Catholics will lock step and agree.

There have always been gay priests.
Our local bishop has stated that WE HAVE ENOUGH now.
If you get my drift....

The problem here is one core issue, and that is........so much of Mary Cult Theology , is not found in any bible.

They don't stress Mary all that much anymore.
Ditto for saints.
BUT...it's TOO LATE.

Take......>"the ascension of Mary". or "" RELICS"...... but for now we'll just land on Mary flying to heaven in her dead body....Reader.

Not one bible on God's green globe has a sentence in it that even suggests that Mary ascended to Heaven as a dead body after she DIED , as this Cult teaches......, NOR> is there any apostle who knew about it, according to ALL BIBLES.

The ECFs also did not speak of this.
They did speak of Mary's purity in living her life.

Yet, the CCult, teaches this FANTASY..... as if its on every page of a NT, when its NOWHERE in any BIBLE.

And the cult of Mary members, are taught to believe "..'well, the bible is not really finished, its just the basic theology, and the CCult, and our Church Fathers are always in the process of adding to it, for 1600 yrs.... as they decide to do, and we are taught to BELIEVE IT"..

B....the ECFs do not ADD to scripture.
They clarify it.
It's an interesting study. I did this about 7 years ago...maybe more.
It was actually very helpful.

So, a Catholic says......>"well of course"..........and that is the problem, and they are brain washed, and cult fed, to only be able to see it in that closed minded lights off, cult mentality.

Thats a fact that will never change.

I agree.
But some do come out of the CC.
Some go in.
Calvinists are like this too.
But some do get to escape and think for themselves.

 

[Ritajanice]

If you believe that we are unregenerate, what is your proof?

Are you a Calvinist then?...I don’t even really know what a Calvinist is?

I’ve only been led by the Spirit on what I post, I’m not saying that everything that I post has come from the Spirit.

How can anyone prove that you are unregenerate?

Regeneration is becoming Born Of The Spirit..where Spirit gives birth to spirit.

You would know in your heart/ spirit if you have been regenerated/ Born Again, because that is where Gods Living testimony/ His Living seed has taken up residence, when he birthed our spirit into his.
The seed of the Living Spirit is what we’re Born Again of, the moment of that Living Spirit birth, our faith starts to grow in Christ....it will grow and mature, but, in order for our faith to grow, we will face many trials and tribulations along the way...remember we walk a very narrow path and can only look to the Spirit to keep us on that path.
The Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are the children of God...

Of course the “ natural man” wouldn’t have a clue what I am talking about here.

 

[ElectedbyHim]

Are you a Calvinist then?...I don’t even really know what a Calvinist is?

I’ve only been led by the Spirit on what I post, I’m not saying that everything that I post has come from the Spirit.

How can anyone prove that you are unregenerate?

Regeneration is becoming Born Of The Spirit..where Spirit gives birth to spirit.

You would know in your heart/ spirit if you have been regenerated/ Born Again, because that is where Gods Living testimony/ His Living seed has taken up residence, when he birthed our spirit into his.
The seed of the Living Spirit is what we’re Born Again of, the moment of that Living Spirit birth, our faith starts to grow in Christ....it will grow and mature, but, in order for our faith to grow, we will face many trials and tribulations along the way...remember we walk a very narrow path and can only look to the Spirit to keep us on that path.
The Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are the children of God...

Of course the “ natural man” wouldn’t have a clue what I am talking about here.

The point was that a lot of professed christians claim that the 5 points of Calvinism is heresy, many say that those woho believe the 5 oints are not really saved.

Those that are opposed to the 5 points claim to understand the doctrines, in reality they really are clueless.

This thread shows that they are clueless on the doctrines of grace.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Here is the issue.

The Cult of Mary, creates theology, that becomes what Catholics are taught to believe....next.

Their Pope just legalized Gay Priests....and soon enough a lot of Catholics will lock step and agree.

The problem here is one core issue, and that is........so much of Mary Cult Theology , is not found in any bible.

Take......>"the ascension of Mary". or "" RELICS"...... but for now we'll just land on Mary flying to heaven in her dead body....Reader.

Not one bible on God's green globe has a sentence in it that even suggests that Mary ascended to Heaven as a dead body after she DIED , as this Cult teaches......, NOR> is there any apostle who knew about it, according to ALL BIBLES.

Yet, the CCult, teaches this FANTASY..... as if its on every page of a NT, when its NOWHERE in any BIBLE.

And the cult of Mary members, are taught to believe "..'well, the bible is not really finished, its just the basic theology, and the CCult, and our Church Fathers are always in the process of adding to it, for 1600 yrs.... as they decide to do, and we are taught to BELIEVE IT"..

Every time I read one of your anti-Catholic idiocies – it’s difficult to know just where to begin because I have to wade through all of the lies . . .

Let’s start with the fact that the “issue” was for YOU to offer a Biblical refutation for Purgatory – and you failed, as usual. Instead – you blather on with the usual ignorant ad hominem.

Spewing mind-numbingly stupid lies like, “Their Pope just legalized Gay Priests” only serves to illustrate your hatred for the truth.

Another is your whopper about the “Ascension” of Mary. – which has NEVER been a teaching of the Catholic Church. Only Jesus ascended.

You whine about not finding things in the Bible – and then, you top it off with the self-refuting and a non-Biblical doctrine of Sola Scriptura. The word, “hypocrite” comes to mind . . .

You know – God kinda frowns on liars (Exod. 20:16). He says that you will have NO part in His Kingdom (Rev. 21:8).
Good luck with that . . .

So, a Catholic says......>"well of course"..........and that is the problem, and they are brain washed, and cult fed, to only be able to see it in that closed minded lights off, cult mentality.

Thats a fact that will never change.

No – the Catholic says. “Yes, Lord – I believe what your sacred Word dictates.”
And HIS sacred Word dictates that His Church is His mouthpiece on earth – with complete Authority.

Matt 16:16-19, Matt. 18:15-18,
I will give YOU the keys to the kingdom of heaven. WHATEVER YOU BIND on earth shall be bound in heaven; and WHATEVER YOU LOOSE on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

John 16:12-15
But when he comes, the Spirit of truth, he will guide you to ALL truth. He will not speak on his own, but he will speak what he hears, and will declare to YOU the things that are coming.
He will glorify me, because he will TAKE from what is MINE and declare it to YOU.
Everything that the Father has is MINE; for this reason I told you that he will TAKE from what is MINE and declare it to YOU.

Luke 10:16
Whoever listens to YOU listens to ME. Whoever rejects YOU rejects ME. And whoever rejects ME rejects the ONE who sent ME."

And that is a fact that will never change . . .


PS - Let me know when you're prepared to offer a Biblical refutation of Purgatory.
I suggest ou do soe homework . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

What do I know about scripture Bread?
Nothing.

They're NOT STUDENTS Bread....no PhD after my name.
You just are not good at listening. Or maybe you listen but you can't HEAR.

Sooooo – your Catechism students AREN’T students??

I wouldn't talk about priests I don't know.
You think you know everything and are sitting in the seat of Moses.
But you're not Bread.
You're one big nobody for the Catholic Church...
Know why?
BECAUSE YOU DRIVE PEOPLE AWAY.

Those who are driven away by the truth need to examines themselves to figure out why . . .

Huh?
Yes. This is why I don't take you seriously and do not like posting to you in a serious manner.

Ummmm, it was YOU who approached me to begin with – not the other way around.

And it’s YOU who keeps pushing the “brick-and-mortar” nonsense. Hypocrisy is not a good look for you .

Oh. This is just too much.
Make a trip to Europe Bread.
CHRISTIANITY in general is DWINDLING in WESTERN CIVILIZATION.

Maybe you haven't noticed?

I didn’t give you a European statistic – it was a worldwide statistic.

Unfortunately – YOU believe the word begins and ends with Europe. It doesn’t.

Personally, I like
James 3:1 and I live by it.
1 Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren, knowing that as such we will incur a stricter judgment.

You sure do bring out the worst in people.
Not a very Christianly thing to do.

If I bring out the worst in you - it's because you’re no different than anybody else who hates being exposed.

And it’s great that you like James3:1 – but you’re supposed to live by ALL of God’s Word – not just the verses you cherry-pick.
I fear the following passage pertains to you:

2 Tim. 4:3-4
For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths

 

[Ritajanice]

The point was that a lot of professed christians claim that the 5 points of Calvinism is heresy, many say that those woho believe the 5 oints are not really saved.

Those that are opposed to the 5 points claim to understand the doctrines, in reality they really are clueless.

This thread shows that they are clueless on the doctrines of grace.

Ah right, ok @ElectedbyHim ..

 

[GodsGrace]

Sooooo – your Catechism students AREN’T students??

I NEVER would call my kids STUDENTS.

You just don't read right.

Those who are driven away by the truth need to examines themselves to figure out why . . .

Ummmm, it was YOU who approached me to begin with – not the other way around.

And it’s YOU who keeps pushing the “brick-and-mortar” nonsense. Hypocrisy is not a good look for you .

I didn’t give you a European statistic – it was a worldwide statistic.

Unfortunately – YOU believe the word begins and ends with Europe. It doesn’t.

If I bring out the worst in you - it's because you’re no different than anybody else who hates being exposed.

And it’s great that you like James3:1 – but you’re supposed to live by ALL of God’s Word – not just the verses you cherry-pick.
I fear the following passage pertains to you:

2 Tim. 4:3-4
For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths

You don't care that the churches in EUROPE are EMPTY??
I thought the job of the church was to save souls !!

 

[BreadOfLife]

I NEVER would call my kids STUDENTS.

You just don't read right.

And I would never call students, “my kids”.
They'’re not YOUR kids – they’re someone else’s . . .

YOU stated that you taught Catechism for 7 years, “off and on”. You also said that “they fear purgatory more than hell”.
Since YOU reject the idea of Purgatory, I can deduce that you’re NOT talking about your own children.

You don't care that the churches in EUROPE are EMPTY??
I thought the job of the church was to save souls !!

I never said that I didn’t care.
I said that the European Church doesn’t represent the worldwide Church.

Why is it that you can never post without at least 1 lie?

Rev. 21:8
But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and ALL LIARS—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

 

[GodsGrace]

And I would never call students, “my kids”.
They'’re not YOUR kids – they’re someone else’s . . .

They're my kids because I teach them about God and our faith.
I do my best to make them learn to love Jesus and to live for Him.
They're my kids because they hug me and listen to me and learn something
very important.

If YOU taught 15 to 20 kids every year your love for Jesus...
you'd feel like you have something in common with them too...
you'd consider them "your kids".

YOU stated that you taught Catechism for 7 years, “off and on”. You also said that “they fear purgatory more than hell”.
Since YOU reject the idea of Purgatory, I can deduce that you’re NOT talking about your own children.

My own children don't believe in purgatory because it's not found in the bible.

I never said that I didn’t care.
I said that the European Church doesn’t represent the worldwide Church.

Why is it that you can never post without at least 1 lie?

I just love to lie!!!

Rev. 21:8
But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and ALL LIARS—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

Thanks Bread.
As usual...you're such a loving Christian....
oops, I mean Catholic.

 

[BreadOfLife]

They're my kids because I teach them about God and our faith.
I do my best to make them learn to love Jesus and to live for Him.
They're my kids because they hug me and listen to me and learn something
very important.

No – they are someone else’s kids.
If you are a catechist – then you are their Teacher – not their parent.

If YOU taught 15 to 20 kids every year your love for Jesus...
you'd feel like you have something in common with them too...
you'd consider them "your kids".

No - I’d be their teacher. I taught about 25 kids for several years.
I was their teacher – and they were my students. I wasn’t their father.

Unfortunately - YOU think of "teacher" as a dirty word. If you actually studied your Bible, you would know that teachers are very important in the Body of Christ (1 Cor. 12:27-31). And the punishments will be very harsh for those who teach falsehoods and lead people astray (Is. 9:16, Matt.18:6, James 3:1, 2 Pet. 2:1),

My own children don't believe in purgatory because it's not found in the bible.

I showed several times that the Bible DOES teach a Final Purification
YOU have failed repeatedly to offer a Biblical refutation . . .

I just love to lie!!!

I know – and that’s unfortunate . . .

Thanks Bread.
As usual...you're such a loving Christian....
oops, I mean Catholic.

Ahhh, yes - the old "Catholic OR Christian" blunder.
That’s about as illogical as saying, ”spaghetti OR pasta” . . .

Not only are Catholic Christians – we were the first Christians . . .

 

[GodsGrace]

No – they are someone else’s kids.
If you are a catechist – then you are their Teacher – not their parent.

No - I’d be their teacher. I taught about 25 kids for several years.
I was their teacher – and they were my students. I wasn’t their father.

Unfortunately - YOU think of "teacher" as a dirty word. If you actually studied your Bible, you would know that teachers are very important in the Body of Christ (1 Cor. 12:27-31). And the punishments will be very harsh for those who teach falsehoods and lead people astray (Is. 9:16, Matt.18:6, James 3:1, 2 Pet. 2:1),

I showed several times that the Bible DOES teach a Final Purification
YOU have failed repeatedly to offer a Biblical refutation . . .

I know – and that’s unfortunate . . .

Ahhh, yes - the old "Catholic OR Christian" blunder.
That’s about as illogical as saying, ”You'OR pasta” . . .

Not only are Catholic Christians – we were the first Christians . . .

You're too much Bread.
Good night.