The Doctrines of Grace
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Paul did not lie as you suggest.
They are self-deceived.
"Many" believe the gospel but are not truly saved.
Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
Matthew 7:22 “Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, in Your name did we not prophesy, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name do many miracles?’
Matthew 7:23 “And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’
Lambano
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Frankly, calling God a liar does not glorify Him. And it presumes to know how God uses His sovereignty. If God sovereignly decides to elect someone conditioned on faith, is He any less sovereign?
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Ritajanice
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Lambano
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If Paul told them Christ died for their sins and He did not, then Paul lied and they should not have believed him.
I don’t even think sovereignty is even in a Greek translation of the Bible. Wouldn’t this mean God also causes tornados and hurricanes and volcanoes to erupt and people says it’s of God?
Rom 9:14 What shall we say then? Is there any unrighteousness with God? May it never be!
Rom 9:15 For He says to Moses, “I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOM I HAVE MERCY, AND I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON WHOM I HAVE COMPASSION.”
Rom 9:16 So then it does not depend on the one who wills or the one who runs, but on God who has mercy.
Rom 9:17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “FOR THIS VERY PURPOSE I RAISED YOU UP, IN ORDER TO DEMONSTRATE MY POWER IN YOU, AND IN ORDER THAT MY NAME MIGHT BE PROCLAIMED THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE EARTH.”
Rom 9:18 So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires.
Rom 9:19 You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who resists His will?”
Rom 9:20 On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? WILL THE THING MOLDED SAY TO THE MOLDER, “WHY DID YOU MAKE ME LIKE THIS”?
Rom 9:21 Or does not the potter have authority over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use?
Rom 9:22 And what if God, wanting to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath having been prepared for destruction,
Rom 9:23 and in order that He might make known the riches of His glory upon vessels of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory—
Hello @ElectedbyHim, just quoting scripture doesn’t mean anything.
Especially if the one quoting it is unable to articulate it, by of course the Holy Spirit God willingly.
I use to do that a lot, and still sometimes do.
But they don’t typically mean really anything especially when they are not written to us.
Romans 9 is an interesting piece of work which people assume it is pertaining to the world today, but I don’t believe that is the case.
Especially if the one quoting it is unable to articulate it, by of course the Holy Spirit God willingly.
I use to do that a lot, and still sometimes do.
But they don’t typically mean really anything especially when they are not written to us.
Romans 9 is an interesting piece of work which people assume it is pertaining to the world today, but I don’t believe that is the case.
How would Paul know who was truly saved?
Do you know that in your church or on a christian form like this one?
Lambano
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That's the point. He would not know for whom Christ died, so he cannot proclaim "Christ died for your sins". There is no Gospel.
Many do not like Romans 9 and really do not undesratnd what Paul was talking about.
Romans 9 is about God's soverein choice in salvation.
But many reject that because they do not understand Biblical election.
Lambano
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That makes no sense.
Why would anyone have to know if someon is really saved to share the gospel?
I love Romans 9. Is really shows the contrast between Israel and what Jesus brought to the table. At least I think, it’s been a moment since I read it.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
Amen!...I only know in my spirit that I am Born Again, as that is where the Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children, ....no one can say Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit.
Did you say that you don’t think you’re Born Again?
Never listen to anyone about your salvation, that’s between God and yourself.
I’ve been told many times that I’m not Born Again by humans...I know different in my spirit, so never worry what others say...at the end of the day, they don’t testify with our spirit...only Gods Holy Spirit can do that.
Hello @ElectedbyHim,
I went through the entirety of Romans myself, on record.
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I went through the entirety of Romans myself, on record.
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Ritajanice
Born-Again
That makes no sense to me as it’s not biblical.
My spirit knows it’s Born Again, by Gods Witness His Living Holy Spirit...he testifies to our spirit that we are children of God.
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