I've been thinking about the curses that were bestowed on humanity after the fall. Death and sickness are the most obvious ones. But I think there is another one that isn't so obvious: ignorance. Think about it. So many people today believe things that just aren't true. So many conflicts and wars throughout history stem from bad beliefs (ignorance). A lot of people have no idea who we are or where we came from. That has inevitably led to poor decisions. And even for those who do believe in the biblical narrative, there's still so much about our own prehistory that we don't know and that ignorance causes many disagreements and arguments. That's why I think ignorance is really a curse. Just imagine if everyone had the full knowledge of God. The world would be radically different than it is now.
The curse of ignorance
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The Bible tells us that learning about Jesus renews our minds. The more we know about God, the more we become like Him, so yes, ignorance is a curse, I think!
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"There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death." Proverbs 14:12
I have certainly learned many things throughout life the hard way. And still sometimes do make wrong decisions.
Fortunately, I am in the winter of my life and these wrong decisions only effect myself. God can sometimes be silent in areas. As long as we do not sin by deciding wrongly, it is only us that gets hurt.
Everyone is ignorant, until they learn. Some are purposely ignorant and there is no excuse for that, IMHO.
Yes, it can sure be a curse!
I have certainly learned many things throughout life the hard way. And still sometimes do make wrong decisions.
Fortunately, I am in the winter of my life and these wrong decisions only effect myself. God can sometimes be silent in areas. As long as we do not sin by deciding wrongly, it is only us that gets hurt.
Everyone is ignorant, until they learn. Some are purposely ignorant and there is no excuse for that, IMHO.
Yes, it can sure be a curse!
Bob
Well-Known Member
Thank you for your post.
You make many good points, and who among us would not prefer to exchange ignorance for factual truths about current events and our history. Unfortunately, our fallen nature is a stumbling block for many, who will rationalize holding fast to their beliefs despite evidence to the contrary.
Dear God: let me be open to outcome and not attached to outcome, and give me the patience to understand others before I insist on being understood.
Blessings.
You make many good points, and who among us would not prefer to exchange ignorance for factual truths about current events and our history. Unfortunately, our fallen nature is a stumbling block for many, who will rationalize holding fast to their beliefs despite evidence to the contrary.
Dear God: let me be open to outcome and not attached to outcome, and give me the patience to understand others before I insist on being understood.
Blessings.
I can know many things, but the reality is that if I act "God Like," then I am ignorant of the basis for "life."
If I change this aspect or that aspect around us, then I will live in a perfect world, i.e. the Climate Change protagonist, who hope that their theories about changing this or that will give us "perfect" weather.
If I change this aspect or that aspect around us, then I will live in a perfect world, i.e. the Climate Change protagonist, who hope that their theories about changing this or that will give us "perfect" weather.
AngelicArcher
Active Member
Ignorance led to the fall of the human race.
Bob
Well-Known Member
Thank you for that thought, but it does not seem quite right.
Did Eve and Adam disobey God out of ignorance? When God confronted their disobedience, did they try to deflect the blame out of ignorance?
People today have been informed thoroughly that following God will lead to abundant life, and following selfish desires will lead to spiritual death.
Peace.
bdavidc
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I believe you're right to see that the fall of man brought more than just physical death and suffering, it brought spiritual blindness and confusion. Scripture confirms this. In Romans 1:21–22, it says, “Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.” The rejection of God leads directly to ignorance and deception. This isn’t just a byproduct of the fall, it’s part of the judgment for turning away from truth.
Ephesians 4:18 speaks of those who are “darkened in their understanding, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart.” So yes, ignorance, especially spiritual ignorance, is a real and tragic result of sin. It's not just a lack of information; it’s the natural outcome of hearts hardened against God.
But God hasn’t left humanity without a remedy. He gave us His Word, and through the gospel, the Holy Spirit opens the eyes of those who repent and believe (2 Corinthians 4:4–6). The problem today isn't just that people don’t know the truth, it’s that many reject it. Hosea 4:6 says, “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee.” Ignorance becomes willful when people choose lies over truth.
You're absolutely right that if everyone knew and accepted the truth of God, the world would be radically different. That’s why believers are called to preach the gospel, because only the truth sets people free (John 8:32). Thanks for the post, I enjoyed it.
The Gospel of Christ
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Oh, I’ll tell you where the curse of ignorance started.... and where its at in 2025.
It started when the early church in Rome got scared of the Book of Enoch.
You know — the one quoted by Jude.
The first hand account of Adam & Eve's great great grandson who was also Noah's great grandfather.
The one that explained why the flood really happened.
The one that named Azazel, Semjaza, and the 200 fallen angels by name.
Yeah. That one.
The Council of Nicaea (325 AD) didn’t want peasants knowing about the interdimensional angelic rebellion, or giant, 10 foot tall Nephilim hybrids devouring mankind — so they quietly swept Enoch under the rug like a corpse under the Vatican floorboards.
Can’t have the sheep knowing demons are the spirits of the dead Nephilim.
Can’t let them understand why Jesus really had to come in the flesh.
Can’t teach them how the Watchers corrupted bloodlines to stop the Messiah from ever being born.
Nah — better to feed the masses Gregorian chants, ridiculous paintings of angels with harps in their hands and state-approved allegory.
The Curse Deepened with Augustine:
Then along comes Augustine in the 4th century, sipping wine in a robe, writing The City of God, and saying,
“Hey guys, maybe the Kingdom of God is just… symbolic?”
Boom. Amillennialism.
No literal 1,000-year reign of Christ.
No real war.
No coming judgment.
Just Rome = Heaven and you = peasant.
And if you dared say Jesus was coming back with fire in His eyes?
You were branded a heretic.
The only “end-times” they preached were when you dared to think for yourself.
The Dark Ages: Bury the Truth, Crown the Beast:
From 500–1500 AD, the Vatican was burning Bibles, burning heretics, and building cathedrals on top of ancient demonic temples.
SIDEBAR: Why Was the Vatican Burning Bibles?
Because truth in the hands of the common man is a threat to empire.
Let’s get something straight:
The medieval Church wasn’t trying to preserve orthodoxy.
It was trying to preserve control.
The Bible Was Illegal — On Purpose
From about 600 AD to 1500 AD, if you owned or translated Scripture into anything but Latin (which only priests could read), you could be executed. Literally.
John Wycliffe translated the Bible into English — after his death, they dug up his bones and burned them. In 1428, under orders from Pope Martin V, Wycliffe’s body was exhumed, burned, and his ashes thrown into the River Swift.
Jan Hus taught that people should be able to read the Bible for themselves — they tied him to a stake and lit him on fire while he sang psalms.
William Tyndale printed the New Testament in English — they strangled him and burned his body.
These weren’t cult leaders.
These were Christian reformers.
They just wanted you to read God’s Word.
And Rome couldn’t allow that.
Back to -- The Dark Ages: Bury the Truth, Crown the Beast:
They called it Christianity.
God called it Mystery Babylon.
You think it’s coincidence they never taught the Book of Enoch?
Or that not one pope has ever publicly warned about the return of the Watchers?
No — they buried it.
Because Rome doesn’t cast out demons.
Rome Manages Them.
That’s why the Vatican is absolutely obsessed with sending priests around the world to find people who are “possessed.”
Not to destroy the enemy — but to negotiate with it.
To monitor it.
To control the optics.
You think the Vatican’s global exorcism network is just about helping people?
No — it’s the PR wing of Mystery Babylon.
A sideshow to make you believe they’re the good guys — while they empower the very spirits they claim to fight.
They don’t want the demons gone.
They want them organized.
Why else would they:
Sanction “approved exorcists” but condemn spirit-filled deliverance ministries?
Keep centuries of exorcism logs hidden in Vatican archives?
Perform ritual masses over demon-possessed objects — instead of destroying them in Jesus’ name?
Because they don’t cast demons out in the name of Christ.
They entertain them in Latin and offer incense to keep them calm.
Now where were we...
Then Came Humanism, the Enlightenment, and Spiritual Castration:
By the Renaissance, the Church traded prophecy for paintings.
They said “man is good,” “truth is relative,” and maybe Satan’s not so literal after all.
By the 1700s, the Enlightenment finished the job:
“Demons? Fairy tales.
Angels? Symbolism.
The Flood? Just a myth with a rainbow.”
They turned the war of heaven and earth into a bedtime story.
Enter Darby and Scofield: The Zionist Escape Hatch:
Then came John Nelson Darby in the 1800s.
An Irish aristocrat who couldn’t win a theological debate, so he invented Dispensationalism — the idea that Jesus postponed His kingdom and you get a secret escape via the rapture.
Darby hands the torch to Cyrus Scofield, a failed conman turned Bible salesman, who takes this blashpemous garbage and creates the Scofield Reference Bible — with Zionist footnotes laced under every verse like spiritual cyanide.
Suddenly, Jesus isn’t the fulfillment of prophecy — Israel is.
The Church isn’t the Bride — it’s a parentheses.
The cross isn’t the climax — it’s an intermission.
And Then It All Went Full Demon on American TV:
Enter the 20th century:
Jerry Falwell screaming on TBN
Hal Lindsey selling Late Great Planet Earth like spiritual drugs
Tim LaHaye & Jerry Jenkins turning Scofieldism into Left Behind fantasy fan-fiction
John Hagee saying Jews don’t need Jesus and that we'll all be cursed if we don't send tanks to Israel
Perry Stone finding ancient codes in his pizza
Kenneth Copeland speaking in tongues
Jonathan Cahn making a “harbinger” out of every twig in Central Park
All of them saying the same thing:
“Don’t worry.
You won’t suffer.
You’ll be raptured before it gets bad!”
Meanwhile…
Children are being mutilated in hospitals via trans surgeries.
Porn is in your child’s hand by age 9.
AI is building the Beast system.
The Vatican is holding interfaith services with pagans.
And the very sins that triggered the flood are back in full swing.
And what are the misled, clueless, Scofield-Evangelicals doing?
Waiting for another blood moon like it’s a prophecy clearance sale.
These people aren’t resisting the Antichrist — they’re preparing his throne, baptizing his arrival with blood moons and Scofield footnotes, paving his path with delusion, and calling it revival.
They raise money for his temple.
They defend the very people who rejected Christ.
They ignore the Cross, obsess over geopolitics, and worship prophecy charts like golden calves.
They are not just deceived — they are helping to summon him.
And when he comes, he won’t have to force his way in.
They’ll hand him the microphone and ask for a selfie.
Thats about where we're at right now. It's like a nightmare, and were all dreaming it together.
“As it was in the days of Noah…” — Luke 17:26
And just like back then, the spirits of the Nephilim roam the earth.
Not the Watchers — they’re still chained in Tartarus.
But their bastard offspring?
The unclean spirits Jesus cast out?
They’re in politics, in entertainment, in pulpits.
They are real.
And they are legion.
“And for this reason God will send them strong delusion…”
— 2 Thessalonians 2:11
The Curse of Ignorance Was Engineered
It started with Rome suppressing Enoch
It grew with Augustine neutering prophecy
It thrived during a thousand years of Vatican witchcraft
It modernized with Scofield’s Zionist cheat codes
It mutated on TV in the 70s, 80s, 90s
And now it wears skinny jeans and a “woke” study Bible in your neighborhood megachurch.
Meanwhile, the chains beneath the earth are shaking.
The spirits are gathering.
And the remnant is few.
But we are not deceived.
We read the books Rome buried.
We see the war.
And we know the King is coming.
And this time… He’s not coming as a lamb.
It started when the early church in Rome got scared of the Book of Enoch.
You know — the one quoted by Jude.
The first hand account of Adam & Eve's great great grandson who was also Noah's great grandfather.
The one that explained why the flood really happened.
The one that named Azazel, Semjaza, and the 200 fallen angels by name.
Yeah. That one.
The Council of Nicaea (325 AD) didn’t want peasants knowing about the interdimensional angelic rebellion, or giant, 10 foot tall Nephilim hybrids devouring mankind — so they quietly swept Enoch under the rug like a corpse under the Vatican floorboards.
Can’t have the sheep knowing demons are the spirits of the dead Nephilim.
Can’t let them understand why Jesus really had to come in the flesh.
Can’t teach them how the Watchers corrupted bloodlines to stop the Messiah from ever being born.
Nah — better to feed the masses Gregorian chants, ridiculous paintings of angels with harps in their hands and state-approved allegory.
The Curse Deepened with Augustine:
Then along comes Augustine in the 4th century, sipping wine in a robe, writing The City of God, and saying,
“Hey guys, maybe the Kingdom of God is just… symbolic?”
Boom. Amillennialism.
No literal 1,000-year reign of Christ.
No real war.
No coming judgment.
Just Rome = Heaven and you = peasant.
And if you dared say Jesus was coming back with fire in His eyes?
You were branded a heretic.
The only “end-times” they preached were when you dared to think for yourself.
The Dark Ages: Bury the Truth, Crown the Beast:
From 500–1500 AD, the Vatican was burning Bibles, burning heretics, and building cathedrals on top of ancient demonic temples.
SIDEBAR: Why Was the Vatican Burning Bibles?
Because truth in the hands of the common man is a threat to empire.
Let’s get something straight:
The medieval Church wasn’t trying to preserve orthodoxy.
It was trying to preserve control.
The Bible Was Illegal — On Purpose
From about 600 AD to 1500 AD, if you owned or translated Scripture into anything but Latin (which only priests could read), you could be executed. Literally.
John Wycliffe translated the Bible into English — after his death, they dug up his bones and burned them. In 1428, under orders from Pope Martin V, Wycliffe’s body was exhumed, burned, and his ashes thrown into the River Swift.
Jan Hus taught that people should be able to read the Bible for themselves — they tied him to a stake and lit him on fire while he sang psalms.
William Tyndale printed the New Testament in English — they strangled him and burned his body.
These weren’t cult leaders.
These were Christian reformers.
They just wanted you to read God’s Word.
And Rome couldn’t allow that.
Back to -- The Dark Ages: Bury the Truth, Crown the Beast:
They called it Christianity.
God called it Mystery Babylon.
You think it’s coincidence they never taught the Book of Enoch?
Or that not one pope has ever publicly warned about the return of the Watchers?
No — they buried it.
Because Rome doesn’t cast out demons.
Rome Manages Them.
That’s why the Vatican is absolutely obsessed with sending priests around the world to find people who are “possessed.”
Not to destroy the enemy — but to negotiate with it.
To monitor it.
To control the optics.
You think the Vatican’s global exorcism network is just about helping people?
No — it’s the PR wing of Mystery Babylon.
A sideshow to make you believe they’re the good guys — while they empower the very spirits they claim to fight.
They don’t want the demons gone.
They want them organized.
Why else would they:
Sanction “approved exorcists” but condemn spirit-filled deliverance ministries?
Keep centuries of exorcism logs hidden in Vatican archives?
Perform ritual masses over demon-possessed objects — instead of destroying them in Jesus’ name?
Because they don’t cast demons out in the name of Christ.
They entertain them in Latin and offer incense to keep them calm.
Now where were we...
Then Came Humanism, the Enlightenment, and Spiritual Castration:
By the Renaissance, the Church traded prophecy for paintings.
They said “man is good,” “truth is relative,” and maybe Satan’s not so literal after all.
By the 1700s, the Enlightenment finished the job:
“Demons? Fairy tales.
Angels? Symbolism.
The Flood? Just a myth with a rainbow.”
They turned the war of heaven and earth into a bedtime story.
Enter Darby and Scofield: The Zionist Escape Hatch:
Then came John Nelson Darby in the 1800s.
An Irish aristocrat who couldn’t win a theological debate, so he invented Dispensationalism — the idea that Jesus postponed His kingdom and you get a secret escape via the rapture.
Darby hands the torch to Cyrus Scofield, a failed conman turned Bible salesman, who takes this blashpemous garbage and creates the Scofield Reference Bible — with Zionist footnotes laced under every verse like spiritual cyanide.
Suddenly, Jesus isn’t the fulfillment of prophecy — Israel is.
The Church isn’t the Bride — it’s a parentheses.
The cross isn’t the climax — it’s an intermission.
And Then It All Went Full Demon on American TV:
Enter the 20th century:
Jerry Falwell screaming on TBN
Hal Lindsey selling Late Great Planet Earth like spiritual drugs
Tim LaHaye & Jerry Jenkins turning Scofieldism into Left Behind fantasy fan-fiction
John Hagee saying Jews don’t need Jesus and that we'll all be cursed if we don't send tanks to Israel
Perry Stone finding ancient codes in his pizza
Kenneth Copeland speaking in tongues
Jonathan Cahn making a “harbinger” out of every twig in Central Park
All of them saying the same thing:
“Don’t worry.
You won’t suffer.
You’ll be raptured before it gets bad!”
Meanwhile…
Children are being mutilated in hospitals via trans surgeries.
Porn is in your child’s hand by age 9.
AI is building the Beast system.
The Vatican is holding interfaith services with pagans.
And the very sins that triggered the flood are back in full swing.
And what are the misled, clueless, Scofield-Evangelicals doing?
Waiting for another blood moon like it’s a prophecy clearance sale.
These people aren’t resisting the Antichrist — they’re preparing his throne, baptizing his arrival with blood moons and Scofield footnotes, paving his path with delusion, and calling it revival.
They raise money for his temple.
They defend the very people who rejected Christ.
They ignore the Cross, obsess over geopolitics, and worship prophecy charts like golden calves.
They are not just deceived — they are helping to summon him.
And when he comes, he won’t have to force his way in.
They’ll hand him the microphone and ask for a selfie.
Thats about where we're at right now. It's like a nightmare, and were all dreaming it together.
“As it was in the days of Noah…” — Luke 17:26
And just like back then, the spirits of the Nephilim roam the earth.
Not the Watchers — they’re still chained in Tartarus.
But their bastard offspring?
The unclean spirits Jesus cast out?
They’re in politics, in entertainment, in pulpits.
They are real.
And they are legion.
“And for this reason God will send them strong delusion…”
— 2 Thessalonians 2:11
The Curse of Ignorance Was Engineered
It started with Rome suppressing Enoch
It grew with Augustine neutering prophecy
It thrived during a thousand years of Vatican witchcraft
It modernized with Scofield’s Zionist cheat codes
It mutated on TV in the 70s, 80s, 90s
And now it wears skinny jeans and a “woke” study Bible in your neighborhood megachurch.
Meanwhile, the chains beneath the earth are shaking.
The spirits are gathering.
And the remnant is few.
But we are not deceived.
We read the books Rome buried.
We see the war.
And we know the King is coming.
And this time… He’s not coming as a lamb.
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Bob
Well-Known Member
Thank for the discussion, and the opportunity to clarify important points about the relationship between God and all of humanity.
Suppose we were in a forest with many different mushrooms visible. They look so good to eat. Fortunately, our Guide tells us which are nutritious and which are poisonous. We are no longer ignorant because our Guide, the source of mushroom knowledge, has told about the choices (the ones that lead to life and the ones that lead to death). That we do not know why certain mushrooms are toxic is of no concern.
In the same way, God informed A & E about their choices, through commands. He was the source of knowledge about good and evil, and not them. Like children, they might not have understood why certain behaviors are good and others bad: they only needed to obey Him.
As to deflecting blame: how is failing to take responsibility for one’s actions a sign of ignorance? (A potential criminal will do the crime knowing there is punishment. Having been caught, he will try to deflect blame solely to avoid punishment.)
A & E knew what God told them about good & evil. Their disobedience was not out of ignorance, but out of self-centered desire to decide moral questions for themselves.
Peace.
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