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Revelation 2:7 KJV
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
Revelation 2:11 KJV
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
Revelation 2:17 KJV
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.
Revelation 2:26-28 KJV
26) And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
27) And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
28) And I will give him the morning star.
Revelation 3:5 KJV
He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
Revelation 3:12 KJV
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
Revelation 3:21 KJV
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
May we each be overcomers!!
Much love!
Correct.
Romans 5:1-2 KJV
1) Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
2) By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
I see two things here, one is our justification, and the other is our standing. We are to stand against the wiles of the devil, we are to stand fast in the Lord, stand fast in liberty.
Being justified, we are to go on and stand, by that same faith in Jesus Christ.
Much love!
Amen and amen brother-and may the bond of unity be rock solid through the Spirit, it is good to ask questions, so long as it does not cause divisions.
1Co_16:13 Watch ye, stand fast in the faith, quit you like men, be strong.
Gal_5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
Php_1:27 Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;
Php_4:1 Therefore, my brethren dearly beloved and longed for, my joy and crown, so stand fast in the Lord, my dearly beloved.
1Th_3:8 For now we live, if ye stand fast in the Lord.
2Th_2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
If we are determined to not be divided, and the Holy Spirit is in us to unify us . . . we have brotherhood!
Much love!
Ritajanice
Born-Again
Rev 22:19
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
What about this warning? -
Rev 2:5
Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick (ie, lampstand) out of his place, except thou repent.
What does a lampstand/menorah represent? It represents the Messiah - Jesus, His Spirit. See Zech 4...the lampstand....not by might not by power but by His spirit.
And here:
Luk 11:33
“No one, when he has lit a lamp, puts it in a secret place or under a basket, but on a lampstand, that those who come in may see the light.
This is saying our lamp needs to be put on a lampstand to be seen, ie, lifted up in the Spirit….our light shines when we are in the Spirit, the Spirit of Christ.
So what is that verse warning of in Rev. 2:5? If the Lord takes His spirit away, what does that mean?
Rev 2:5
Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick (ie, lampstand) out of his place, except thou repent.
What does a lampstand/menorah represent? It represents the Messiah - Jesus, His Spirit. See Zech 4...the lampstand....not by might not by power but by His spirit.
And here:
Luk 11:33
“No one, when he has lit a lamp, puts it in a secret place or under a basket, but on a lampstand, that those who come in may see the light.
This is saying our lamp needs to be put on a lampstand to be seen, ie, lifted up in the Spirit….our light shines when we are in the Spirit, the Spirit of Christ.
So what is that verse warning of in Rev. 2:5? If the Lord takes His spirit away, what does that mean?
quietthinker
Well-Known Member
Listening/ reading at this point 9 pages of posts in this thread but also many of the other threads, it is clear what gets the attention, ie the topic of SIN in it's various shades
It gets the attention because there is a fundamental problem in the Church.....they have left their first love.
The appeal of the lover of their souls has lost its lustre otherwise he would glorified in their speech and actions.
We are admonished about this in the letters to the Churches in Revelation chapters 2 & 3
Focus on anything for long enough and it will consume the reality, eclipsing what is around it.
Satan knows where the power to consume us lies.....ie, where and on what we focus and give our energy.
Paul after his conversion was consumed with Jesus. His efforts to present him this way and that continues throughout his ministry. It consumed him because he saw the wonder of it.
Have we lost its wonder?.....did we ever have it personally?
It gets the attention because there is a fundamental problem in the Church.....they have left their first love.
The appeal of the lover of their souls has lost its lustre otherwise he would glorified in their speech and actions.
We are admonished about this in the letters to the Churches in Revelation chapters 2 & 3
Focus on anything for long enough and it will consume the reality, eclipsing what is around it.
Satan knows where the power to consume us lies.....ie, where and on what we focus and give our energy.
Paul after his conversion was consumed with Jesus. His efforts to present him this way and that continues throughout his ministry. It consumed him because he saw the wonder of it.
Have we lost its wonder?.....did we ever have it personally?
JosephZ
New Member
This question wasn't addressed to me, but I thought I would respond to it as a missionary to a primarily Muslim people group who has knowledge of Islam and has read the Qur'an in it's entirety more than a couple of times.
The word "Allah" when used by Muslims does not refer to a moon god, nor do they worship a moon god. This would go against all historical accounts of Muhammad and the birth of Islam. You will not find any legitimate school that offers courses in Islamic Studies or Islamic History that teaches Muhammad chose a moon god for his god and that the god of Islam is a moon god.
Muhammad was a merchant and heavily influenced by the many Christian and Jewish traders he encountered during his travels. He also had Jewish and Christian relatives through marriage. It's only natural that he would associate himself and his religion with the God of Abraham. He obviously incorporated aspects of both Judaism and Christianity into his own religion, Islam. One only needs to read the Qur'an to see this.
Islam is a progressive religion and in the view of Muslims a continuation of what God revealed to the prophets of Judaism and Christianity with Muhammad being the final prophet. Prior to Muhammad, both Jews and Christians living in the Arab world worshipped God with the only word in Arabic that could be used to describe the God of creation. That word was “Allah.” Muhammad simply took the name "Allah" from the Jewish and Christian communities that existed in his day.
Below is a verse from the Qur'an:
"Abraham, when he said to his people, “Worship God, and fear Him. That is better for you, if you only knew. You worship idols besides God, and you fabricate falsehoods. Those you worship, instead of God, cannot provide you with livelihood. So seek your livelihood from God, and worship Him, and thank Him. To Him you will be returned.” (Qur'an 29:16-17)
Below is what Muslims believe and what God they follow according to the Qur'an:
“We believe in God; and in what was revealed to us; and in what was revealed to Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the Patriarchs; and in what was given to Moses and Jesus; and in what was given to the prophets—from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and to Him we surrender.” (Qur'an 2:136)
"...there is no god but He, the Living, the Eternal. He sent down to you the Book with the Truth, confirming what came before it; and He sent down the Torah and the Gospel." (Qur'an 3:2-3)
"All food was permissible to the Children of Israel, except what Israel forbade for himself before the Torah was revealed. Say, “Bring the Torah, and read it, if you are truthful.” Whoever forges lies about God after that—these are the unjust. Say, “God has spoken the truth, so follow the religion of Abraham..." (Qur'an 3:93-95)
“Follow the religion of Abraham, the Monotheist. He was not an idol-worshiper.” (Qur'an 16:123)
"We will worship thy God, the God of our forefathers Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac, the One God; and unto Him will we surrender ourselves." (Qur'an 2:133)
As we we know, Abraham worshiped the one true God, so what other god could the verses above be describing?
Since the Qur'an clearly teaches Muslims to believe in the God of Abraham and there is no mention of Muslims ever worshiping a moon god in Islamic texts or in Islamic history, why would anyone believe that Muhammad chose a moon god to be his god?
The following verse from the Qur'an tells how Jesus fulfilled what is written in the Torah:
"In their footsteps, We sent Jesus son of Mary, fulfilling the Torah that preceded him; and We gave him the Gospel, wherein is guidance and light, and confirming the Torah that preceded him, and guidance and counsel for the righteous. So let the people of the Gospel rule according to what God revealed in it. Those who do not rule according to what God revealed are the sinners." (Qur'an 5:46-47)
Below is what Islam teaches about Jesus:
- His mother, Mary, was a virgin;
- Jesus was the "Word" of God;
- Jesus was the Messiah sent to the children of Israel;
- Jesus confirmed the validity of the Torah;
- Jesus lived a righteous life; Jesus performed miracles. Healed the blind, the sick, and raised the dead;
- Jesus removed some of the law of Moses;
- Jesus was raised into Heaven, currently sits with God, and will return at the day of the Resurrection (Judgement Day);
- Jesus is the only living prophet today.
It's impossible to come to the conclusion that Muslims worship a different god than the God of Abraham, much less a "moon god", if one reads the Qur'an and/or talks to Muslims about their faith and what they believe. Muslims do of course miss the most important aspect of Jesus; that He is the Way, the Truth, and the Life (John 14:6); and that He died for our sins according to the Scriptures (1 Corinthians 15:2-4), but regardless, they are still worshiping the God of Abraham.
Isaiah Chapter 29
11 And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:
12 And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.
(13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:)
14 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.
St. Joseph
Member
Wrong. They were part of the elect or Paul would not have asked who bewitvched you in Galatians.
The whole point of Hebrews 6 is warning the elect not to go back to burnt offerings and sacrifices after finding Christ,or Christ would be of non effect to them. It would be as if Christ never came and they still had to sacrifice in the temple.
Imo,this is why God had the temple destroyed in 70 A D because there was no use for it anymore.
Forgive me for butting in.
It's fine-point taken.
PURPOSE OF THE LETTER
A. Paul addressed three distinct areas of concern about the message of the false teachers. These heretics have been labeled "Judaizers" (cf. 2 Corinthians 3) because they believed that one had to become a Jew before he could become a Christian (cf. Gal. 6:12). His concerns revolved around the charges of the Judaizers (learned from Paul's defensive statements):
1. Paul was not truly an Apostle like the Twelve (cf. Acts 1:21-22); therefore, he was dependent on their authority or at least the authority of the Mother Church in Jerusalem.
2. Paul's message was different from theirs, and thus, false. This seems directly related to the concept of "justification by faith apart from the Law." The Apostles in Jerusalem were still very Jewish in their personal lives.
3. An element of libertinism was connected in some way with these churches (cf. Gal. 5:18-6:8). Exactly how this is to be explained is debated. Some have even seen two target groups in Paul's letter: Judaizers and Gnostics (cf. Gal. 4:8-11). However, it seems best to relate these verses to pagan practices. The believing Jews were concerned about the lifestyle of believing Gentiles. How did Paul's radical free grace relate to pagan idolatry and excess?
B. Doctrinally, this letter is a precursor to Paul's letter to the Romans. These two books contain Paul's major doctrines repeated and developed in different settings and later summarized in Ephesians.
C. In reality Galatians focuses on the differences between the Old Covenant (OT) in Moses and the New Covenant (NT) in Christ. The first was understood by the rabbis (Paul does not react against the Mosaic covenant, but its misinterpretation and application by Jewish tradition) to base God's acceptance on human performance, but the second was based on a new heart and a new spirit (cf. Jer. 31:31-34; Ezek. 36:22-38). Both were based on God's grace; both desire a righteous people. The difference between them is how that righteousness is accomplished. This is developed in the NT book of Hebrews.
Ye are so quickly removing (houtōs tacheōs metatithesthe). The present middle indicative of metatithēmi, to change places, to transfer. “You are transferring yourselves” and doing it “so quickly” either from the time of their conversion or most likely from the time when the Judaizers came and tempted them. So easily some of them are falling victims to these perverters of the gospel. That is a continuous amazement (thaumazō) to Paul and to men today that so many are so silly and so gullible to modern as to ancient charlatans.
Unto a different gospel (eis heteron euaggelion). See note on 2Co_11:4 for distinction between allo and heteron as here. It is not here or there a mere difference in emphasis or spirit as in Php_1:18 so long as Christ is preached. These men as in 2Co_11:4 preach “another Jesus” and a “different gospel” and so have fallen away from grace and have done away with Christ (Gal_5:4). Hence the vehemence of Paul’s words.
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Point taken-however-I will send you this link-Sam Shamoun and Lloyed
1,234 views May 4, 2023 #moonotheism #islam #islamic_video
Unveiling Islamic Moonotheism: Tracing the Historical and Archaeological Origins of Allah in Early Arabia, Ethiopia, and Mesopotamia. with @shamounian
Let's embark on a detailed exploration of paganism and religion in early Arabia, Ethiopia, and Mesopotamia. In this first installment of my talk, we delve into the realm of Islamic Moonotheism, undertaking a meticulous analysis of the historical and archaeological evidence surrounding the Arabian/Babylonian moon god origins of Allah. This notion has been the subject of substantial debate. Recent advancements in source accessibility and search software now facilitate an informed assessment of the available evidence. It is our duty to unravel the predominant practice of moon worship that pervaded both the Arabian and Babylonia regions, where a shared pantheon flourished.
A. The Contested Idea:
The origins of Allah within the context of Islamic Moonotheism have remained shrouded in mystery, engendering conjectures and conflicting perspectives. Scholars, theologians, and historians have engaged in fervent discourse, seeking to uncover the precise roots of this central deity. Yet, amid this complex and often contentious terrain, we now find ourselves at an opportune juncture, empowered by technological advancements that enable us to examine an unprecedented wealth of primary and secondary sources.
B. Access to Sources and Search Software:
The twenty-first century has heralded a new era of knowledge acquisition, with enhanced access to diverse textual and material resources propelling our understanding of ancient civilizations to unprecedented heights. Through the aid of comprehensive search software, we now possess an unparalleled capacity to navigate the vast corpus of historical and archaeological data, extracting invaluable insights previously obscured by time and geographical constraints. This newfound accessibility serves as the gateway to comprehending the multifaceted tapestry of religious practices in early Arabia, Ethiopia, and Mesopotamia.
Moon Worship: A Ubiquitous Phenomenon Uniting Arabia and Babylonia
A. The Dominance of Moon Worship:
As we peer into the depths of history, a pattern emerges—one that etches the prevalence of moon worship across the landscapes of Arabia and Babylonia. These two regions, though distinct in their geopolitical spheres, harbored a shared predilection for revering the celestial body that illuminates the night sky. Moon worship, an ingrained aspect of their cultural fabric, weaved its way into the religious consciousness of these civilizations, shaping their pantheons and engendering a rich tapestry of deities.
B. The Unifying Thread of a Common Pantheon:
We can discern the interconnectedness of their pantheons. Although geographical boundaries appear to separate these societies, they were bound by trade and their devotion to the moon, engendering a fascinating convergence. The interplay between divine entities transcended borders, intertwining their narratives, attributes, and functions. In this web of religious syncretism we glimpse the nascent beginnings of the deity known as Allah.
Conclusion:
Our expedition into the enigma of Islamic Moonotheism will take us on a journey through the ancient corridors of Arabia, Ethiopia, and Mesopotamia. In our exploration, we will unravel the ubiquity of moon worship, a shared phenomenon that reverberated across Arabian and Babylonian civilisations.
This detailed information confirms Robert Morey's thesis that Allah is a moon god/moon deity.
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