The Crucified Flesh

[Ritajanice]

Stay strong and rooted IN Christ beloved sister-see-no "commentary or copy-and-paste" whilst the others are doing the very same thing!

Amen!!.....a true born again, can never lose their salvation, impossible, we received that vital living birth....becoming born again/ regenerated/ spirit gives birth to spirit.....we have a living relationship with God, Through the Holy Spirit.

 

[Johann]

CONTEXTUAL INSIGHTS Rom 6.

A. Rom. 6:1-8:39 form a unit of thought (literary unit) that deals with the Christian's relationship to sin (i.e., sanctification). This is a very important issue because the gospel is based on the free unmerited grace of God through Christ (3:21-5:21) so, therefore, how does sin affect the believer? Romans 6 is based on two supposed questions, Rom. 6:1 and 15. Verse 1 relates to 5:20, while Rom. 6:15 relates to 6:14. The first is related to sin as a lifestyle (present tense), the second to individual acts of sin (aorist tense). It is obvious also that Rom. 6:1-14 deal with believers' freedom from sin's domination, while Rom. 6:15-23 deal with believers freedom to serve God as they previously served sin—totally, completely, and whole-heartedly.



B. Sanctification is both

1. a position (imputed like justification at salvation, Rom. 3:21-5:21)

2. a progressing Christlikeness

a. Rom. 6:1-8:39 express this truth theologically

b. Rom. 12:1-15:13 express it practically



C. Often commentators must theologically split the subject of justification and positional sanctification to help grasp their biblical meanings. In reality they are simultaneous acts of grace (positional, 1 Cor. 1:30; 6:11). The mechanism for both is the same—God's grace demonstrated in Jesus' life, death, and resurrection/ascension which is received by faith (cf. Eph. 2:8-9).



D. This chapter teaches the potential full maturity (sinlessness, cf. 1 John 3:6,9; 5:18) of God's children in Christ. Romans 7 and 1 John 1:8-2:1 show the reality of believers' continuing sinfulness.

Much of the conflict over Paul's view of forgiveness (i.e., justification by grace through faith) was related to the issue of morality. The Jews wanted to assure godly living by demanding that new converts conform to the Mosaic law. It must be admitted that some did and do use Paul's views as a license to sin (cf. Rom. 6:1,15; 2 Pet. 3:15-16). Paul believed that the indwelling Spirit, not an external code, would produce godly Christlike followers. In reality this is the difference between the Old Covenant (cf. Deuteronomy 27-28) and the New Covenant (cf. Jer. 31:31-34; Ezek. 36:26-27).

E. Baptism is simply a physical illustration of the spiritual reality of justification/sanctification. In Romans the twin doctrines of positional sanctification (justification) and experiential sanctification (Christlikeness) are both stressed. Being buried with Him (Rom. 6:4) is parallel with "be crucified with Him" (Rom. 6:6).



F. The keys to overcoming temptation and sin in the Christian's life are

1. Know who you are in Christ. Know what He has done for you. You are free from sin! You are dead to sin!

2. Reckon/count your position in Christ into your daily life situations.

3. We are not our own! We must serve/obey our Master. We serve/obey out of gratitude and love to the One who first loved us and gave Himself for us!

4. The Christian life is a supernatural life. It, like salvation, is a gift from God in Christ. He initiates it and provides its power. We must respond in repentance and faith, both initially and daily.

5. Don't play around with sin. Label it for what it is. Turn from it; flee from it. Don't put yourself into the place of temptation.

6. Sin in the believer is an addiction that can be broken, but it takes knowledge of the gospel, the presence of the Spirit, time, effort, and volition.

@marks if you want to know where I get the information, I'll gladly share, and with our two dear sisters in Christ-having said that-feel free to correct ERRORS, please brother.

Very tired at the moment-

 

[Johann]

"Are we to continue to sin that grace might increase"
NKJV"Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound"
NRSV"Should we continue in sin in order that grace may abound"
TEV"That we should continue to live in sin so that God's grace will increase"
NJB"Does it follow that we should remain in sin so as to let grace have greater scope"

This is a present active subjunctive. It literally asks the question, are Christians "to abide with" or "to embrace" sin? This question looks back to 5:20. Paul used a hypothetical objector (diatribe) to deal with the potential misuse of grace (cf. 1 John 3:6,9; 5:18). God's grace and mercy are not meant to give a license for rebellious living.

Paul's gospel of a free salvation as the gift of God's grace through Christ (cf. Rom. 3:24; 5:15, 17; 6:23) raised many questions about life style righteousness. How does a free gift produce moral uprightness? Justification and sanctification must not be separated (cf. Matt. 7:24-27; Luke 8:21; 11:28; John 13:17; Rom. 2:13; James1:22-25; 2:14-26).

On this point let me quote F. F. Bruce in Paul: Apostle of the Heart Set Free,

"the baptism of Christians constituted the frontier between their old unregenerate existence and their new life in Christ: it marked their death to the old order, so that for a baptized Christian to go on in sin was as preposterous as it would be for an emancipated slave to remain in bondage to his former owner (cf. Rom. 6:1-4, 15-23) or for a widow to remain subject to 'the law of her husband'" (pp. 281-82, cf. Rom. 7:1-6).

In James S. Stewart's book, A Man in Christ, he writes:

"The locus classicus for all this side of the apostles' thought is to be found in Rom. 6. There Paul, with magnificent vigor and effort, drives home to heart and conscience the lesson that to be united with Jesus in His death means for the believer a complete and drastic break with sin" (pp. 187-88).

6:2 "may it never be" This is a rare optative form which was a grammatical mood or mode used of a wish or prayer. It was Paul's stylistic way (i.e., Hebraic idiom) of answering a hypothetical objector. It expressed Paul's shock and horror at unbelieving mankind's misunderstanding and abuse of grace (cf. Rom. 3:4,6).

"we who died to sin" This is an aorist active indicative, meaning "we have died." The singular "sin" is used so often throughout this chapter. It seems to refer to our "sin nature" inherited from Adam (cf. Rom. 5:12-21; 1 Cor. 15:21-22). Paul often uses the concept of death as a metaphor to show the believer's new relationship to Jesus. They are no longer subject to sin's mastery.

"still live in it" This is literally "walk." This metaphor was used to stress either our lifestyle faith (cf. Eph. 4:1; 5:2,15) or lifestyle sin (cf. Rom. 6:4; Eph. 4:17). Believers cannot be happy in sin!

6:3-4 "have been baptized. . .have been buried" These are both aorist passive indicatives. This grammatical form often emphasized a completed act accomplished by an outside agent, here the Spirit. They are parallel in this context.


"into Christ Jesus" The use of eis (into) parallels the Great Commission of Matt. 28:19, where new believers are baptized eis (into) the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. The preposition is also used to describe the believers being baptized by the Spirit into the body of Christ in 1 Cor. 12:13. Eis in this context is synonymous with en (in Christ) in Rom. 6:11, which is Paul's favorite way to denote believers. It is a locative of sphere. Believers live and move and have their being in Christ. These prepositions express this intimate union, this sphere of fellowship, this vine and branch relationship. Believers identify with and join with Christ in His death (cf. Rom. 6:6; 8:17), in His resurrection (cf. Rom. 6:5), in His obedient service to God, and in His Kingdom!

"into His death. . .we have been buried with Him" Baptism by immersion illustrates death and burial (cf. Rom. 6:5 and Col. 2:12). Jesus used baptism as a metaphor for His own death (cf. Mark 10:38-39; Luke 12:50). The emphasis here is not a doctrine of baptism, but of the Christian's new, intimate relationship to Christ's death and burial. Believers identify with Christ's baptism, with His character, with His sacrifice, with His mission. Sin has no power over believers!

6:4 "we have been buried with Him through baptism into death" In this chapter, as is characteristic of all of Paul's writing, he uses many sun (with) compounds (e.g., three in Eph. 2:5-6).

1. sun + thaptō = co-buried, Rom. 6:4; Col. 2:12; also note Rom. 6:8

2. sun + phuō = co-planted, Rom. 6:5

3. sun + stauroō = co-crucified, Rom. 6:6; Gal. 2:20

4. sun + zaō = co-exist, Rom. 6:8; 2 Tim. 2:11 (also has co-died and co-reign)



"so we too might walk in newness of life" This is an aorist active subjunctive. The expected result of salvation is sanctification. Because believers have received God's grace through Christ and have been indwelt by the Spirit, their lives must be different. Our new life (zoē) does not bring us salvation, but it is the result of salvation (cf. Rom. 6:16, 19; 8:4; 13:13; 14:15; and Eph. 1:4; 2:8-9,10; James 2:14-26). This is not an either/or question, faith or works, but there is a sequential order.



"newness of life" This is "new" in quantity, not just new in time. It is used in a variety of ways in the NT to speak of the radical change the Messiah brings. It is the new age, cf. Isaiah 40-66.

1. new covenant, Luke 22:20; 1 Cor. 11:25; 2 Cor. 3:6; Heb. 8:8,13; 9:15

2. new commandment, John 13:34; 1 John 2:7,8; 2 John 5

3. new creation, 2 Cor. 5:17; Gal. 6:15

4. newness of life, Rom. 6:4

5. newness of spirit, Rom. 7:6

6. new man, Eph. 2:15; 4:24

7. new heavens and earth, 2 Pet. 3:13; Rev. 21:1 (cf. Isa. 66:22)

8. new name, Rev. 2:17; 3:12 (cf. Isa. 62:2)

9. new Jerusalem, Rev. 3:12; 21:2

10. new song, Rev. 5:9; 14:3 (cf. Isa. 42:10)



"Christ was raised" In this context the Father's acceptance and approval of the Son's words and works are expressed in two great events.

1. Jesus' resurrection from the dead

2. Jesus' ascension to the Father's right hand

All three persons of the Trinity were involved in raising Jesus from the realm of the dead. See full note at Rom. 6:9 and 8:11.

"the glory of the Father" For "glory" Rom. 3:23. For "Father" see

6:5 "if" This is a first class conditional sentence, which is assumed to be true from the writer's perspective or for his literary purposes. Paul assumed his readers were believers.

"we have become united with Him" This is a perfect active indicative which could be translated, "have been and continue to be joined together" or "have been or continue to be planted together with." This truth is theologically analogous to "abiding" in John 15. If believers have been identified with Jesus' death (cf. Gal. 2:19-20; Col. 2:20; 3:3-5), theologically they should be identified with His resurrection life (cf. Rom. 6:10).

This metaphorical aspect of baptism as death was meant to show

1. we have died to the old life, the old covenant

2. we are alive to the Spirit, the new covenant

Christian baptism is, therefore, not the same as the baptism of John the Baptist, who was the last OT prophet. Baptism was the early church's opportunity for the new believer's public profession of faith. The earliest baptismal formula, to be repeated by the candidate, was "I believe Jesus is Lord" (cf. Rom. 10:9-13). This public declaration was a formal, ritual act of what had happened previously in experience. Baptism was not the mechanism of forgiveness, salvation, or the coming of the Spirit, but the occasion for their public profession and confession (cf. Acts 2:38). However, it also was not optional. Jesus commanded it (cf. Matt. 28:19-20), and exemplified it, (cf. Matt. 3; Mark 1; Luke 3) and it became part of the Apostolic sermons and procedures of Acts.

To be continued--

 

[Keturah]

THE ONLY  SURE TRUTH IS GOD & HIS WORD !

I have nothing against hearing / reading & even learning from sources outside of the word. Yet all must be weighed against the word and must be from the Spirit's leading, not bc it suits the topic.

Spiritual bears witness with spiritual !

Am I YOUR enemy ?

Some seem to only be capable of one-up relationships....you agree with me....and it's all good!

Just as God SEES ALL, so does he reveal  IT to the household of faith....a tare, a wheat...ect.

Be not deceived for God will not be mocked. As a man/woman soweth so shall they reap.

A  WARNING to us all, dying daily to SELF, let it be God who receives the glory as we crucify our flesh in obedience to his will !

 

[Lizbeth]

Interesting.....I believe that who ever the Father gives to the Son, he will never lose one of them....that’s my interpretation of this scripture.

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◄ John 6:39 ►

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Context Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. New Living Translation And this is the will of God, that I should not lose even one of all those he has given me, but that I should raise them up at the last day. English Standard Version And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day.

This verse needs to be understood and resolved in light of other scriptures that warn against falling away or being cut off. It's attesting to and affirming the power of God to save....to raise the dead in Christ and grant them immortality. It's assumed that Jesus is talking about those who "remain in Me" , not those who fall away or are cut off. "All those He has given me" is speaking from God's point of view in heaven...His foreknowledge....saying that He has power to save them all (those who He foreknows will remain in Him).

There's a reason why we are to work out our salvation with fear and trembling....don't do things that we know are sinful. Here are some more warnings:

Heb 10:26-27

For if we sin (ie, keep on sinning) wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries


Heb 6:4-6

For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.


Gal 6:7-8

Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

 

[Johann]

Am I YOUR enemy ?

No, you are not my enemy @Keturah we have a warfare to fight as per Ephesians 6-not with each other=not against blood and flesh.

 

[Johann]

This verse needs to be understood and resolved in light of other scriptures that warn against falling away or being cut off. It's attesting to and affirming the power of God to save....to raise the dead in Christ and grant them immortality. It's assumed that Jesus is talking about those who "remain in Me" , not those who fall away or are cut off. "All those He has given me" is speaking from God's point of view in heaven...His foreknowledge....saying that He has power to save them all (those who He foreknows will remain in Him).

There's a reason why we are to work out our salvation with fear and trembling....don't do things that we know are sinful. Here are some more warnings:

Heb 10:26-27

For if we sin (ie, keep on sinning) wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries


Heb 6:4-6

For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.


Gal 6:7-8

Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

I would see the Scripture references you quoted for a believer to willfully, deliberately turning his/her back to the Truth once enlightened-as I am dealing with a 7th Day Adventist turning from Christ to embrace Orthodox Judaism.
Yes, we need to work out our salvation with fear and trembling but always quote scriptures IN context dear sister--I am the LAST person to correct you-you know that.

 

[Ritajanice]

"we have become united with Him" This is a perfect active indicative which could be translated, "have been and continue to be joined together" or "have been or continue to be planted together with.

We are united with God in spirit, our spirits are in His Spirit ,we are connected to God,Through being birthed in the Spirit.if that makes sense, we are His and that is final, we are in the world, but we are not of the world.

The more I walk with God Through the Holy Spirit, the more I’m in AWE of Him.....I still cannot believe that He birthed me in the Holy Spirit...it still blows my mind.

Sorry that was my testimony.

 

[Lizbeth]

IE-selective commentaries and interpretations holding to once saved always saved?

John 10:28-29
and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.

Only to the Apostles? Or disciples?

1 John 5:13
Verse Concepts
These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.

John 3:16
Verse Concepts
“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

Romans 5:1
Verse Concepts
Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

Romans 8:31-39
What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us? He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him over for us all, how will He not also with Him freely give us all things? Who will bring a charge against God’s elect? God is the one who justifies;read more.

Ephesians 1:13-14
In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God’s own possession, to the praise of His glory.

Hebrews 6:18-20
so that by two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have taken refuge would have strong encouragement to take hold of the hope set before us. This hope we have as an anchor of the soul, a hope both sure and steadfast and one which enters within the veil, where Jesus has entered as a forerunner for us, having become a high priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek.

John 3:3
Verse Concepts
Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

2 Corinthians 5:17
Verse Concepts
Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come.

Hebrews 13:5
Verse Concepts
Make sure that your character is free from the love of money, being content with what you have; for He Himself has said, “I will never desert you, nor will I ever forsake you,”

1 Peter 1:5
Verse Concepts
who are protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

Psalm 97:10
Verse Concepts
Hate evil, you who love the Lord,
Who preserves the souls of His godly ones;
He delivers them from the hand of the wicked.

John 10:28
Verse Concepts
and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.

Only to the disciples?

Hebrews 7:25
Verse Concepts
Therefore He is able also to save forever those who draw near to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.

John 10:29
Verse Concepts
My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.

Ephesians 4:30
Verse Concepts
Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

John 6:39
Verse Concepts
This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day.

Look Ma, no "commentary and heteros interpretations" and solidifies what I believe to be true-Once saved, always saved-thus cannot be "unsaved" whilst sealed with the Holy Spirit.

--and yes, I concur with Scripture references you have posted-once sealed-a covenant-beholden by YHVH with a high hand-how is it POSSIBLE for that believer to become an "un-believer?"-or "Un-sealed"

How do you read the Scriptures? That we may KNOW-that we have life eternal? The Spirit co-witnessing all the time with OUR spirits that WE are teknoi of the living
YHVH?

Covenants can be broken....."divorce" unfortunately can happen and legitimately, if the "bride" proves unfaithful. Though the Lord is longsuffering.

What do we do with the scripture in Rev that speaks of Jesus spewing the lukewarm out of His Body? And how do we understand what Paul wrote about all running the race but only one wins the prize, therefore we are to run it so as to win it (I see this as speaking of wholeheartedness as opposed to lukewarm).

 

[Johann]

6:12 "Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body" This is a present active imperative with the negative particle, which usually meant to stop an act already in process. The term "reign" relates to 5:17-21 and 6:23. Paul personifies several theological concepts.

1. death reigned as king (cf. Rom. 5:14,17; 6:23)

2. grace reigned as king (cf. Rom. 5:21)

3. sin reigned as king (cf. Rom. 6:12,14)

The real question is who is reigning in your life? The believer has the power in Christ to choose! The tragedy for the individual, the local church, and the Kingdom of God is when believers choose self and sin, even while claiming grace!



6:13 "do not go on presenting the members of your body to sin" This is a present active imperative with the negative particle which usually meant to stop an act already in process.

This shows the potential for continuing sin in the lives of believers (cf. Rom. 7:1ff; 1 John 1:8-2:1). But the necessity of sin has been eliminated in the believer's new relationship with Christ, Rom. 6:1-11.

"as instruments" This term (hoplon) referred to "a soldier's weapons" (cf, 13:12; John 18:3; 2 Cor. 6:7; 10:4). Our physical body is the battleground for temptation (cf. Rom. 6:12-13; 12:1-2; 1 Cor. 6:20; Phil. 1:20). Our lives publicly display the gospel.

"but present yourselves to God" This is an aorist active imperative which was a call for a decisive act (cf. Rom. 12:1). Believers do this at salvation by faith, but they must continue to do this throughout their lives.

Notice the parallelism of this verse.

1. same verb and both imperatives

2. battle metaphors

a. weapons of unrighteousness

b. weapons of righteousness

3. believers can present their bodies to sin or themselves to God

Remember, this verse is referring to believers—the choice continues; the battle continues (cf. Rom. 6:12,19; 1 Cor. 6:18-19; Eph. 6:10-18)!

6:14 "For sin shall not be master over you" This is a future active indicative (cf. Ps. 19:13) functioning as an imperative, "sin must not be master over you!" Sin is not master over believers because it is not master over Christ, (cf. Rom. 6:9; John 16:33).

NASB (UPDATED) TEXT: ROMANS 6:15-19
15What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be! 16Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness? 17But thanks be to God that though you were slaves of sin, you became obedient from the heart to that form of teaching to which you were committed, 18and having been freed from sin, you became slaves of righteousness. 19I am speaking in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness, resulting in further lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness, resulting in sanctification.

6:15 This second supposed question (diatribe) is similar to 6:1. Both answer different questions about the Christian's relation to sin. Verse 1 deals with grace not being used as a license to sin, while Rom. 6:15 deals with the Christian's need to fight, or resist, individual acts of sin. Also, at the same time the believer must serve God now with the same enthusiasm with which he previously served sin (cf. Rom. 6:14).

NASB, NKJV,
TEV"Shall we sin"
NRSV"Should we sin"
NJB"that we are free to sin"

The Williams and Phillips translations both translate this aorist active subjunctive as a present active subjunctive similar to Rom. 6:1. This is not the proper focus. Notice the alternate translations

1. KJV, ASV, NIV – "shall we sin?"

2. The Centenary Translation – "Shall we commit an act of sin?"

3. RSV – "are we to sin?"

This question is emphatic in Greek and expected a "yes" answer. This was Paul's diatribe method of communicating truth. This verse expresses false theology! Paul answered this by his characteristic "May it never be." Paul's gospel of the radical free grace of God was misunderstood and abused by many false teachers.

6:16 The question expects a "yes" response. Humans serve something or someone. Who reigns in your life, sin or God? Who humans obey shows who they serve (cf. Gal. 6:7-8).

6:17 "But thanks be to God" Paul often breaks out into praise to God. His writings flow from his prayers and his prayers from his knowledge of the gospel.

"you were. . .you became" This is the imperfect tense of the verb, "to be," which described their state of being in the past (slaves of sin) followed by an aorist tense which asserts that their state of rebellion has ceased.

"You became obedient from your heart to that form of teaching" In context, this refers to their justification by grace through faith, which must lead to daily Christlikeness.

The term "teaching" referred to Apostolic teaching or the gospel.



NASB"that form of teaching to which you were committed"
NKJV"that form of doctrine to which you were delivered"
NRSV, NIV"to the form of teaching to which you were entrusted"
TEV"the truth found in the teaching you received"
NJB"to the pattern of teaching to which you were introduced"

This thought is parallel to 1 Cor. 15:1 and refers to the gospel truths that these believers heard and received. The gospel is

1. a person to welcome

2. truths about that person to believe

3. a life like that person's to live!







6:18 "having been freed from sin" This is an aorist passive participle. The gospel has freed believers by the agency of the Spirit through the work of Christ. Believers have been freed both from the penalty of sin (justification) and the tyranny of sin (sanctification, cf. Rom. 6:7 and 22). One day they will be free from the presence of sin (glorification, cf. Rom. 8:29-30).

"you became the slaves of righteousness" This is an aorist passive indicative, "you became enslaved to righteousness." Believers are freed from sin to serve God (cf. Rom. 6:14,19,22; 7:4; 8:2)! The goal of free grace is a godly life. Justification is both a legal pronouncement and an impetus for personal righteousness. God wants to save us and change us so as to reach others! Grace does not stop with individual believer's salvation (cf. Matt. 28:18-20; Luke 24:47; Acts 1:8).

One last push--continue and conclusion

 

[marks]

Heb 10:26-27

For if we sin (ie, keep on sinning) wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries

I believe that if you look throughout the Scripture where this wording appears, "no more", you'll see it refers to the ending of a series, that there won't be another one coming along.

It's not about the efficacy of Christ's sacrifice ending, it's speaking of the sacrificial system being ended with Christ's offering.

If you continue in sin after you know about Jesus, you cannot go back to offering sheep, that's over for you.

Much love!

 

[marks]

This verse needs to be understood and resolved in light of other scriptures that warn against falling away or being cut off. It's attesting to and affirming the power of God to save....to raise the dead in Christ and grant them immortality. It's assumed that Jesus is talking about those who "remain in Me" , not those who fall away or are cut off. "All those He has given me" is speaking from God's point of view in heaven...His foreknowledge....saying that He has power to save them all (those who He foreknows will remain in Him).

Does this mean that those who fall away had not been given to Jesus by the Father?

Much love!

 

[Ritajanice]

Does this mean that those who fall away had not been given to Jesus by the Father?

If they fall away, for my belief, that would mean they were never saved/ regenerated in the first place.

I must say it’s been a great peaceful and very pleasant discussion.

 

[Keturah]

A hair-lip to the devil !

A reprobate is delusional & believes the lie as though it were truth!

Being born again is from above; a truly supernatural regeneration. Not a bolt of lightning, a forcing of an entity into nor upon one.

Alcoholism, drugs, sexual immorality, ect is the gateway for the devil to  force himself upon weak ones.

God comes to those of a broken spirit & contrite heart!

 

[marks]

If they fall away, for my belief, that would mean they were never saved/ regenerated in the first place.

That's what I see in Scripture.

1 John 2:18-19 LITV
18) Little children, it is a last hour, and as you heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have risen up, from which you know that it is a last hour.
19) They went out from us, but they were not of us. For if they were of us, they would have remained with us; but they left so that it might be revealed that they all are not of us.

There are those "in" the church who are accepted as Christians, but who are not, and those end up leaving. Those who are true remain.

"If they were of us, they would have remained with us."

I also LOVE Scriptural discussions without rancor!

Much love!

 

[Johann]

Covenants can be broken....."divorce" unfortunately can happen and legitimately, if the "bride" proves unfaithful. Though the Lord is longsuffering.

What do we do with the scripture in Rev that speaks of Jesus spewing the lukewarm out of His Body? And how do we understand what Paul wrote about all running the race but only one wins the prize, therefore we are to run it so as to win it (I see this as speaking of wholeheartedness as opposed to lukewarm).

No, God cannot break His covenant through Christ in our stead-remember Abraham-he tried to "assist" YHVH in the ratifying of the covenant and God "put him into a deep sleep"
Are we part of those who "become" lukewarm or running this race with our eyes on the news and the soapies on TV?

Mat_24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Can the elect be deceived Lizbeth? Yes, but to their destruction, away from the presence of YHVH?
No.
@marks gave scripture references re the assurance, the full assurance of the believers-without that, the written word, we don't have "much assurance re our salvation"

I don't want to pontificate on the Scriptures or lean on my own understanding-I just take what stands written, and believe it, God is not a man that He should lie-and repose in Christ sister.

 

[marks]

Being born again is from above; a truly supernatural regeneration. Not a bolt of lightning, a forcing of an entity into nor upon one.

Amen!

It's entering into a new relationship with our Creator, and being made new as a result.

Much love!

 

[Johann]

"resulting in sanctification" This is the goal of justification (cf. Rom. 6:22). The NT used this term in two theological senses related to salvation.

1. positional sanctification, which is the gift of God (objective aspect) given at salvation along with justification through faith in Christ (cf. Acts 26:18; 1 Cor. 1:2; 6:11; Eph. 5:26-27; 1 Thess. 5:23; 2 Thess. 2:13; Heb. 10:10; 13:12; 1 Pet. 1:2)

2. progressive sanctification which is also the work of God through the Holy Spirit whereby the believer's life is transformed into the image and maturity of Christ (subjective aspect, cf. 2 Cor. 7:1; 1 Thess. 4:3,7; 1 Tim. 2:15; 2 Tim. 2:21; Heb. 12:10,14)



Sanctification is both a gift and a command! It is a position (standing) and an activity (lifestyle)! It is an indicative (a statement) and an imperative (a command)! It comes at the beginning but does not mature until the end (cf. Phil. 1:6; 2:12-13).

NASB (UPDATED) TEXT: ROMANS 6:20-23
20For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. 21Therefore what benefit were you then deriving from the things of which you are now ashamed? For the outcome of those things is death. 22But now having been freed from sin and enslaved to God, you derive your benefit, resulting in sanctification, and the outcome, eternal life. 23For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

6:20-21 This is simply stating the opposite of Rom. 6:18 and 19. Believers can only serve one master (cf. Luke 16:13).

6:22-23 These verses form a logical progression of the wages paid by whom one serves. Thank God this discussion of sin and the believer ends on a grace focus! First is the gift of salvation through our cooperation, and then the gift of the Christian life, also through our cooperation. Both are received gifts through faith and repentance.

6:22 "you derive your benefit, resulting in sanctification, and the outcome, eternal life" The term "benefit," literally "fruit" is used in Rom. 6:21 to speak of the consequences of sin, but in Rom. 6:22 it speaks of the consequences of serving God. The immediate benefit is the believer's Christlikeness. The ultimate benefit is being with Him and like Him eternally (cf. 1 John 3:2). If there is no immediate result (changed life, cf. James 2) the ultimate result can be legitimately questioned (eternal life, cf. Matt. 7). "No fruit, no root!"

6:23 This is the summary of the entire chapter. Paul painted the choice in black and white. The choice is ours—sin and death or free grace through Christ and eternal life. It is very similar to the "two ways" of OT wisdom literature (Deut. 30:1,17; Psalm 1; Proverbs 4; 10-19; Matt. 7:13-14).

"the wages of sin" Sin is personified as (1) a slave owner, (2) a military general, or (3) a king who pays wages (cf. Rom. 3:9; 5:21; 6:9,14,17).

"the free gift of God is eternal life" This word, translated "free gift" (charisma) was from the root for grace (charis, cf. Rom. 3:24; 5:15, 16, 17; Eph. 2:8-9). See note at Rom. 3:24.

DISCUSSION QUESTIONS

This is a study guide commentary, which means that you are responsible for your own interpretation of the Bible. Each of us must walk in the light we have. You, the Bible, and the Holy Spirit are priority in interpretation. You must not relinquish this to a commentator.

These discussion questions are provided to help you think through the major issues of this section of the book. They are meant to be thought-provoking, not definitive.

1. How are good works related to salvation (cf. Eph. 2:8-9,10)?

2. How is continual sin in the life of the believer related to salvation (cf. 1 John 3:6,9)?

3. Does the chapter teach "sinless perfection?"

4. How is Romans 6 related to Romans 5 and 7?

5. Why is baptism discussed here?

6. Do Christians retain their old nature? Why?

7. What is the implication of present tense verbals dominating Rom. 6:1-14 and aorist tense verbals in 15-23?
Utley.

Shalom

 

[marks]

What do we do with the scripture in Rev that speaks of Jesus spewing the lukewarm out of His Body?

Revelation 3:14-22 LITV
14) And to the angel of the assembly of Laodicea, write: These things says the Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Head of the creation of God:
15) I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I would that you were cold, or hot.
16) So, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I am about to vomit you out of My mouth.
17) Because you say, I am rich, and I am made rich, and I have need of nothing, and do not know that you are wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked.
18) I advise you to buy from Me gold having been fired by fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, and your shame and nakedness may not be revealed. And anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see.

This letter is addressed to the messenger of the church of Laodikea, singular. All the pronouns up to this point are singular, and either refer to Jesus, or to this messenger, masculine singular. Jesus is threatening to spew him out.

19) I, as many "as I love, I rebuke and I chasten." Be zealous, then, and repent. Prov. 3:12

He speaks more generally here, "as many as . . .", and then addresses the messenger, be zealous and repent.

20) Behold, I stand at the door and knock:

Perfect tense, I've stood myself at the door, and there I stand, and, present tense, I'm knocking, and I'm continuing to knock.

If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will enter to him, and I will dine with him, and he with Me.

Inclusive, "if anyone", singular, and continuing in singular pronouns.

21) The one overcoming, I will give to him to sit with Me in My throne, as I also overcame and sat with My Father in His throne.

Whomever it may be who overcomes.

22) The one who has an ear, hear what the Spirit says to the assemblies.

We are all to hear this.

Much love!

 

[Ritajanice]

It's entering into a new relationship with our Creator, and being made new as a result.

Much love!

For my testimony..it was like a bolt of lightning..I don’t mean literally as I think some have taken it to mean,LOL.HaHa..

The reason being..the word of God was delivered to my spirit as his word says.

Hebrews 4:12 NIV
For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.

Also Spirit gives birth to spirit.....mind blowing...