The book of Enoch?

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FHII

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So Lively Stone, how big do you think those Giants were in Gen 6, and how "reknown" and mighty to you think those men were? Who were these "sons of God" and how did they produce the offspring they did? Since it's in the Bible, I think it is pretty important, don't you?
 

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So Lively Stone, how big do you think those Giants were in Gen 6, and how "reknown" and mighty to you think those men were? Who were these "sons of God" and how did they produce the offspring they did? Since it's in the Bible, I think it is pretty important, don't you?

They would have been as mighty as those men of renown who followed after King David---all sons of God. Do you need a lesson on the birds and the bees?
 

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They would have been as mighty as those men of renown who followed after King David---all sons of God. Do you need a lesson on the birds and the bees?

Yea, David had some mighty men. But you picked one point out of many to answer the question. David had mighty men, but God didn't kill them. He killed giants, mighty men and men of reknown. So who were these giants and men of reknown? They seem different than those that followed David. God liked those that followed David, but he killed them that were in Genesis 6. David didn't have any giants either. They weren't the same mighty men either.

So, you believe these mighty men that God killed were sons of God just like David's? Living Stone.... It's a terrible arguement you are making. It doesn't stand a chance... Who were the Giants? You've picked your battles and focused on "mighty men" but ignored everything else.

Now... Do I need a lesson in the Birds and the Bees? Hey, that was uncalled for. Don't go there..... It's pretty damn stupid that you would even say that.
 

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Don't go there..... It's pretty damn stupid that you would even say that.

Apart from your use of a curse word, which is pretty offensive and unworthy speech, there is nothing in scripture that tells us that angels have sex organs, and human semen, and can procreate with another creation. The subject of hybrid humans is science fiction and not worthy of arguing about.
 

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God said "damn" alot.... So maybe it's not offensive and unworthy speech. He said a lot of people were damned. And if anything I say is damned, I want to know about it so I can correct it.

Mary got pregnent by the Holy Spirit, or the Father... I leave it to Catholics to figure out who. But it poses a problem in your arguement that God can't reproduce from angels. Gabriel spoke the word and wham.... Mary was pregnent.

Liver Stone... You are running out of arguements.... Will you next contend that the flood of Genesis 6 didn't whipe out all living creatures?
 

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God said "damn" alot.... So maybe it's not offensive and unworthy speech. He said a lot of people were damned. And if anything I say is damned, I want to know about it so I can correct it.

Mary got pregnent by the Holy Spirit, or the Father... I leave it to Catholics to figure out who. But it poses a problem in your arguement that God can't reproduce from angels. Gabriel spoke the word and wham.... Mary was pregnent.

Liver Stone... You are running out of arguements.... Will you next contend that the flood of Genesis 6 didn't whipe out all living creatures?

God has never said that word the way you have used it. Clean it up... and get my name right.

The miracle that occurred in Mary's body is not like the wickedness you are comparing it to! How inane!
 
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No. I won't, and perhaps I'll be more vile the next time. Furthermore, when God says someone is damned, I gotta believe it's worse than anything I can imagine!
 

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Furthermore, when God says someone is damned, I gotta believe it's worse than anything I can imagine!

Which is probably a very good reason not to use the word lightly, don't you think? Using the word in the way you do shows disrespect for the gravity that it involves.
 

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I could tell you to get the hell off your high horse before God knocks you off it, but I won't. The fact is "damn" isn't a curse word. God don't have curse words except what is not the truth. That being said, preachers are saying more curse words in churches than I say here, and they never utter the word "damn". The fact is that Jude DID say that angels left their own habitation and had sex with strange flesh. That is what the Bible said....
 

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The fact is that Jude DID say that angels left their own habitation and had sex with strange flesh. That is what the Bible said....

You have poor reading and comprehension skills. Jude was warning of the consequences of unbelief by bringing to remembrance the facts that God destroyed the unbelievers who came out of Egypt, just as he banished the unbelieving angels who fell, just as he destroyed the unbelieving residents of Sodom and Gommorrah who went after strange flesh.
 
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I could tell you to get the hell off your high horse before God knocks you off it, but I won't. The fact is "damn" isn't a curse word. God don't have curse words except what is not the truth. That being said, preachers are saying more curse words in churches than I say here, and they never utter the word "damn". The fact is that Jude DID say that angels left their own habitation and had sex with strange flesh. That is what the Bible said....

I am not riding any "high horse". I'm just doing what I think is reasonable when I see something that is not fitting for a Christian to do. The way you use the words "hell" and "damn" have absolutely no parallel with how they are used in scripture.

I did not enter my post as a respose to anything that had to do with angels and stange flesh, but since you quote Jude as thought you think he would stand by your side, remember the other things that Jude had to say, such as archangel's dispute with satan:

"But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not dare to bring a slanderous accusation against him, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!"

Now why do you think Michael was so careful how he spoke to satan? If anyone, he could have told him to "go to hel"l, but all he said was "The Lord rebuke you!"

Obviously there is a heavy responsibility in the choice of words we use, and the way we use them. We need to be very careful with what we say and how we say it, especially when we are among brothers. Your attitude needs to change, and I am well within my right to point this out without being accused of judging you.

There is a difference between "judging", and "making judgements". For example, to jude someone would be to condemn him - categorizing him as a "bad person", an idiot, someone who is hopeless, or something like that.

To make judegments about something you feel your brother is doing wrong in the hope he will correct them implies faith in your brother, not condemnation. This is something that scripture urges us to do!
 
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If what you say is true I stand corrected. But I'm not so sure. Giants 450 feet tall? Not a believer yet.
Two more recent translations of 1 Enoch, one by Vanderkam, another by Olson, substitute an alternate reading from a Greek text for 1 Enoch 7:2. Once this is done there is nothing in the Book of Enoch which says how tall the giants were.

"They bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells" (Enoch 7:2, Charles version)

“Whose height was…” per the Nickelsburg/Vanderkam translation (2001), verse 2 should be corrected in favor of the Greek fragment for this passage which says nothing about the stature of the giants.

“And they conceived from them and bore to them great giants. And the giants begot Nephilim, and to the Nephilim were born Elioud- and they were growing in accordance with their greatness.”







On another note, let's revisit the controversial passage from Jude, shall we?

The NASB renders this passage far more literally than the versions posted earlier in this thread. Here it is:
And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day, [sup]7 [/sup]just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.
In the Greek, there are four words which are rendered in the NASB as "in the same way as these". The Greek reads, "τὸν ὅμοιον τρόπον τούτοις", which is best translated as "in the same way as these".

In other words, Sodom and Gomorrah indulged in gross immorality going after strange flesh in the same way as these angels who are bound in hell.