The 'blessed virgin Mary'

[robert derrick]

Catholicism has been reduced to the religion of the 'Sacred Womb', and is nothing but a reincarnation of the cult of Demeter, the goddess of fertility, shoddily dressed up with 'Sacred' words from Scripture.

They use words like tabernacle, ark, covenant, etc.. to give it some pseudo-Scriptural pizzazz, and then shazam! we get the super-secret Eleusinian mysteries in Sacrosanct Catholic form.

It is paganism 101 intermixed with the doctrine of Christ, that is way outside of Scripture, with no Scripture for it, except for hijacked Scripture words: Sacred speak.

Which of course, is why Scripture as the true source and authority of the true God's Word, must be rejected.

And they like it so much, because it's much more sexy and titillatingly wombish than simple Scripture of truth:

How could St. Joseph even think of having sex with the sacred Ark of the New Covenant? He would have to have been a rash and sacrilegious man to presume to penetrate and impregnate with his own seed the sacred womb which had borne God!

This dude, whoever he is, has rape on his mind all the time.

And of course, the whole Demeter cult is centered around the rape of Persephone to gain immortal life.

But then what can we expect from a reincarnated Peter Pope.

 

[robert derrick]

Mary was born of sinful parents and born into sin and suffered the same bias as we do today. She is now asleep in the Lord awaiting the resurrection - Ecclesiastes 9:5

True. Her 'Sacred' womb is still in the dust.

Can you believe there are actual adults that try to teach a religion of the 'Sacred Womb'?

Incredible.

 

[face2face]

True. Her 'Sacred' womb is still in the dust.

Can you believe there are actual adults that try to teach a religion of the 'Sacred Womb'?

Incredible.

No I didn't Robert. The Law/Yahweh stated that everything which comes from the womb is Mine. Mary was simply a Handmaiden, nothing more and nothing less. You could claim she was born from a royal blood line but a "sacred womb", nonsense.

 

[robert derrick]

No I didn't Robert. The Law/Yahweh stated that everything which comes from the womb is Mine. Mary was simply a Handmaiden, nothing more and nothing less. You could claim she was born from a royal blood line but a "sacred womb", nonsense.

Good point. I.e. one womb is like any other.

Every womb has that which is cast out in the drought. (Matthew 15:17)

Nothing 'Sacred' about that.

 

[Taken]

Good point.

'Sacred' mother Mary, wasn't even a believer, until after His resurrection.

But Mariology is worse than we thought. They don't just worship Mary as mother, they worship her womb.

The religion of the 'Sacred Womb' has a deeply dystopian view of sex.

Some cults have a thing about celibacy.

And the womb.

Ya, I've heard her womb exalted...eh...

The Word of God...IS ALWAYS "IN" an "undefiled" Place.
In Gods mouth, In the ark of the covenant, In Marys womb, In a mans new heart (given a man at conversion)....

And Where is the ark of the covenant today?
What is in Mary's dead rotting womb?
Inasmuch, as things become "corrupt"...
So also, does God reveal WHERE "undefiled" things, are removed from and go where.

The Garden of Eden...WAS a Paradise...WAS where the Tree of Life WAS....
The Garden became Corrupt...Paradise has moved, the Tree of Life has moved.

 

[Mungo]

Mary was born of sinful parents and born into sin and suffered the same bias as we do today. She is now asleep in the Lord awaiting the resurrection - Ecclesiastes 9:5

Incorrect

 

[Mungo]

It says they didn't, until after the birth of Jesus.

Scripture doesn't say they consummated the marriage. That is just your false interpretation.

 

[Mungo]

Good point.

'Sacred' mother Mary, wasn't even a believer, until after His resurrection.

But Mariology is worse than we thought. They don't just worship Mary as mother, they worship her womb.

The religion of the 'Sacred Womb' has a deeply dystopian view of sex.

Some cults have a thing about celibacy.

And the womb.

We don't worship Mary

That's just more lies from you.

 

[Mungo]

"Mary a sinner" and "Mary had other children" are doctrines of demons.

Forbidding to marry is a devil's doctrine. Never heard of a doctrine of demons.

The uniqueness of the conception of Christ as a babe in the womb, was that of the Spirit making the body of the babe, not the womb of the woman.

You idolize fleshy things.

Christians reject a mystical so-called Mother of God named 'Mary' by a mystical religion of the 'Sacred Womb'.

Yet more lies from you.

Well, I'm going away now for just over a week so you can tell all the lies all you like.
But really you should repent of all the lies you have told and insults to the Mother of God.
Goodbye.

 

[face2face]

Incorrect

Remember we spoke about "other possibilities" and how the truth could unravel your understanding. It's not so important that the unraveling starts today only that it possible at some time in the future.
F2F

 

[robert derrick]

Scripture doesn't say they consummated the marriage. That is just your false interpretation.

Strong delusion is when someone rejects Scripture in order to believe a lie.

Dystopian is when someone rejects reality as well.

Until still means until.

 

[robert derrick]

Yet more lies from you.

Well, I'm going away now for just over a week so you can tell all the lies all you like.
But really you should repent of all the lies you have told and insults to the Mother of God.
Goodbye.

Ok, I repent. The Mother of God may not be the actual Mystery of Babylon Mother of all harlots, but she is certainly one of the harlots mothering mystical offspring of her own.

How does someone that rejects having the promise of the Spirit of truth dwelling in them to guide them into all truth, saying Jesus wasn't talking to them, also know what a lie is?

 

[robert derrick]

Ya, I've heard her womb exalted...eh...

The Word of God...IS ALWAYS "IN" an "undefiled" Place.
In Gods mouth, In the ark of the covenant, In Marys womb, In a mans new heart (given a man at conversion)....

And Where is the ark of the covenant today?
What is in Mary's dead rotting womb?
Inasmuch, as things become "corrupt"...
So also, does God reveal WHERE "undefiled" things, are removed from and go where.

The Garden of Eden...WAS a Paradise...WAS where the Tree of Life WAS....
The Garden became Corrupt...Paradise has moved, the Tree of Life has moved.

What is in Mary's dead rotting womb?

Now to them such anti-Mary-Womb speech is doubly sacrilegious.

It's one thing to sacrilegiously suggest that the husband Joseph would have sex with the wife Mary and invade her 'sacred' womb, but then to suggest such sacredicity in the flesh could ever become corrupted in the grave, especially after having successfully avoided the defiling lust of her husband in name only?

No, that will not do.

The thing is they have not so much as deified their 'Mary', but rather have deified her womb. (Although their declaration of her being sinless as Jesus may include deification of 'Mary' herself.)

They begin with having a woman they call 'Mary', immaculately concepted in her own birth, and then they Sacredize her womb to bear Jesus.

The womb was therefore 'Sacred' in physical form, even as Jesus' body was in the likeness of sinful flesh, but not with sin from the blood of sinful man, so her womb was never sinned in by any man, especially not her sinful so-called 'husband'.

Therefore, though the rest of her body may yet be in the grave, her Sacred Womb is not, which has been resurrected with Jesus, and is now called by them the tabernacle of the new covenant. (Which there is no such thing, but hey, let's not quibble about little things, when we are discussing greatly Sacred and weightier matters such as an eternally sacred Womb.)

So, technically speaking they don't really worship their 'Mary' wholly, but only her Womb.

It is the cult of Demeter reduced to that of the Sacred Womb, and when intermixed with the doctrine of Christ, has produced what is called the Catholic religion.

I am only repeating what they teach: the doctrinal cult part of their religion. I do not say the Catholic religion is a cult as a whole. Not every Catholic is a cult follower, because not every Catholic is a worshipper of the deified Sacred Womb of 'Mary'.

If I am mistaken in any part here, then I am sure I can be soundly corrected by any that actually believe this stuff and cherish it as a most 'Sacred' tradition.

 

[robert derrick]

Ya, I've heard her womb exalted...eh...

The Word of God...IS ALWAYS "IN" an "undefiled" Place.
In Gods mouth, In the ark of the covenant, In Marys womb, In a mans new heart (given a man at conversion)....

And Where is the ark of the covenant today?
What is in Mary's dead rotting womb?
Inasmuch, as things become "corrupt"...
So also, does God reveal WHERE "undefiled" things, are removed from and go where.

The Garden of Eden...WAS a Paradise...WAS where the Tree of Life WAS....
The Garden became Corrupt...Paradise has moved, the Tree of Life has moved.

And Where is the ark of the covenant today?

Wheresoever is Mary, there is the Ark of the new covenant today.

The ark of the covenant is in the temple of God in heaven, which will be opened for all to see during the millennial reign of Christ:

And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail. (Rev 11:19)

There is of course no ark of the new covenant, except in the made up minds of Mary the Ark believers.

But, if she were that ark in the temple, then those thunderings and lightenings, etc... would no doubt be her 'Sacred' wrath upon anti-Mary speakers.

"It's not nice to fool with Mother Nature", especially when her name is Demeter. I mean 'Mary'.

 

[theefaith]

Really? Going to try and convince people of Mariology by bringing in something written by someone who has not clue of the truth of Scripture?

If this stuff is what you cherish, then no wonder you can't stand Scripture alone.

They were not like any other couple; the were the parents of God Incarnate! The wife in this couple was a living, sacred Tabernacle of the Lord, the Ark of the New Covenant, chosen and sanctified to bear the God man. How could St. Joseph even think of having sex with the sacred Ark of the New Covenant? He would have to have been a rash and sacrilegious man to presume to penetrate and impregnate with his own seed the sacred womb which had borne God! And considering Uzzah's terrible fate when he touched the original Ark (II Samuel 6:6-7), Joseph would not have gotten very far had he tried. Yet Scripture portrays him as a reverent man; hardly the type to try something like that.

A great example of Mystical Babylon, if I ever heard one.

Mary is an ark of the new covenant, and her sacred womb a sacred tabernacle of the Lord.

No wonder they call them 'Sacred' traditions.

He would have to have been a rash and sacrilegious man to presume to penetrate and impregnate with his own seed the sacred womb which had borne God!

Wow. Now that's impressively indignant.

Sounds to me like a guy with some real marriage bed issues.

And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail. (Rev 11)

Looks like it's gotten Mother Mary pretty upset to. It must have been when Joseph got a little too touchy, with someone that was not supposed to be a real wife, but only a fraud.

Not the good believer Mary of Scripture, but the little shrew of mystical Mary from Babylon.

Denying the ever-virginity of Mary subtly denies the divinity of Christ in the womb.

Nothing subtle about it. I deny it. And Mary's womb was never made divine, so as to defraud her husband. Which she did not.

They had no sex in the marriage bed, until after Jesus was born.

scripture clearly says no Isa 7:14 my 1:21 Lk 1:34
The church for 2000 yrs has taught that Mary is the mother of God
Immaculate purity
Perpetual Virgin
Queen of heaven
Ark of the new covenant
Sacred vessel of God
Only heretics and fundamentalists reject it

 

[theefaith]

And the one faith of Jesus is known from Scripture.

Mary's womb is not the Lord's tabernacle.

Such heresy of mystified sects are not included.

Bible alone is the rule of faith?
Bible not available expensive and rare even after the printing press
Most people were illiterate before the 20th century
Bible not cannonized and approved by the church of the apostles until 381

Scripture is the inspired word of God but not scripture alone!


the true rule of faith according to the Bible acts 2:42 is the teaching authority of Jesus Christ thru his church in the persons of his apostles!

A good tree!

Matthew 7:18
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

The fruit of the tree of Mary is our salvation! Lk 2:30 Jesus is our salvation!
Lk 1:30 Mary found our salvation!

Ark of the new covenant!
The dwelling place of God!
God dwelt in Mary’s womb for 9 months, remember the ark was incorruptible wood covered with pure gold signifying Mary’s immaculate purity!
read exodus or any place in the Old Testament where something came into contact with God or was consecrated to the service of God it had to be pure and Holy!
In the ark was the word of God!
In Mary the new ark is the living Word!
In the ark was the mana!
In Mary was the bread come down from heaven! Jn 6
Bethlehem means house to of bread!

Lk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Matt 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, (Isa 7:14) and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Jn 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

 

[robert derrick]

You let people talk long enough, and they will show who and what they really are:

Denying the ever-virginity of Mary subtly denies the divinity of Christ in the womb.

To reject the ever-virginity of 'Mary' is to reject the divinity of Christ in the womb, and so it is not possible to believe in the divinity of Christ and not the ever-virginity of 'Mary'.

I.e. the divinity of Christ is attached to and dependent upon the ever-virginity of 'Mary' and her uncorrupted Sacred Womb.

No Sacredness of Womb = No Divinity of Christ.

The woman did not just give birth to the body of Christ, but created Christ.

By virtue of her Sacred Womb, Christ's divinity existed therein.

The cult of the Sacred Womb believes in a created christ, who's divinity depends upon it.

If the ever-virginity of 'Mary' ceases, so does the divinity of Christ.

No virginity, no divinity.

(Pretty catchy I think)

The only thing subtle here is that of the old serpent, making an outside 'Sacred' tradition equal to Scripture, and so making an outside pagan deity equal to Christ: and the one called 'Mary' was created first by immaculate conception, that she could then have power to create Christ in her Sacred Womb, and hold His divinity forever by her ever-virginity.

 

[robert derrick]

Bible alone is the rule of faith?
Bible not available expensive and rare even after the printing press
Most people were illiterate before the 20th century
Bible not cannonized and approved by the church of the apostles until 381

Scripture is the inspired word of God but not scripture alone!


the true rule of faith according to the Bible acts 2:42 is the teaching authority of Jesus Christ thru his church in the persons of his apostles!

A good tree!

Matthew 7:18
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

The fruit of the tree of Mary is our salvation! Lk 2:30 Jesus is our salvation!
Lk 1:30 Mary found our salvation!

Ark of the new covenant!
The dwelling place of God!
God dwelt in Mary’s womb for 9 months, remember the ark was incorruptible wood covered with pure gold signifying Mary’s immaculate purity!
read exodus or any place in the Old Testament where something came into contact with God or was consecrated to the service of God it had to be pure and Holy!
In the ark was the word of God!
In Mary the new ark is the living Word!
In the ark was the mana!
In Mary was the bread come down from heaven! Jn 6
Bethlehem means house to of bread!

Lk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Matt 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, (Isa 7:14) and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Jn 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Bible not available expensive and rare even after the printing press. Most people were illiterate before the 20th century.

Which is no doubt why many were deceived about the false doctrine of the Sacred Womb.

So, what's your excuse?

 

[Taken]

What is in Mary's dead rotting womb?

Nothing.

Now to them such anti-Mary-Womb speech is doubly sacrilegious.

Mary nor her womb was Sacred.

It's one thing to sacrilegiously suggest that the husband Joseph would have sex with the wife Mary and invade her 'sacred' womb, but then to suggest such sacredicity in the flesh could ever become corrupted in the grave, especially after having successfully avoided the defiling lust of her husband in name only?

No, that will not do.

The thing is they have not so much as deified their 'Mary', but rather have deified her womb. (Although their declaration of her being sinless as Jesus may include deification of 'Mary' herself.)

They begin with having a woman they call 'Mary', immaculately concepted in her own birth, and then they Sacredize her womb to bear Jesus.

The womb was therefore 'Sacred' in physical form, even as Jesus' body was in the likeness of sinful flesh, but not with sin from the blood of sinful man, so her womb was never sinned in by any man, especially not her sinful so-called 'husband'.

Therefore, though the rest of her body may yet be in the grave, her Sacred Womb is not, which has been resurrected with Jesus, and is now called by them the tabernacle of the new covenant. (Which there is no such thing, but hey, let's not quibble about little things, when we are discussing greatly Sacred and weightier matters such as an eternally sacred Womb.)

So, technically speaking they don't really worship their 'Mary' wholly, but only her Womb.

It is the cult of Demeter reduced to that of the Sacred Womb, and when intermixed with the doctrine of Christ, has produced what is called the Catholic religion.

I am only repeating what they teach: the doctrinal cult part of their religion. I do not say the Catholic religion is a cult as a whole. Not every Catholic is a cult follower, because not every Catholic is a worshipper of the deified Sacred Womb of 'Mary'.

If I am mistaken in any part here, then I am sure I can be soundly corrected by any that actually believe this stuff and cherish it as a most 'Sacred' tradition.

Interesting challenge.
However I doubt a discussion will net a civil debate. You would first have to Debate Differences of Interpretations.
Agree - Catholics are no different than Protestants, IN THAT, while each may include themselves under the Broad "name" Catholic or Protestant....many individuals DO NOT AGREE on Every WORD a church teaches.

 

[robert derrick]

Nothing.



Mary nor her womb was Sacred.



Interesting challenge.
However I doubt a discussion will net a civil debate. You would first have to Debate Differences of Interpretations.
Agree - Catholics are no different than Protestants, IN THAT, while each may include themselves under the Broad "name" Catholic or Protestant....many individuals DO NOT AGREE on Every WORD a church teaches.

Mary nor her womb was Sacred.

He would have to have been a rash and sacrilegious man to presume to penetrate and impregnate with his own seed the sacred womb which had borne God!

I go by what they teach.

Interesting challenge.

More of a logical conclusion based on their own teachings, without all the 'Sacred' speak and indignant posturing.

Connecting the divinity of Jesus Christ to any other person's sacredness and/or womb is teaching a false christ.

The Lord God does not depend on any man's sacredness, especially not any part of the fleshy body.

And so, any person that depends on the sacredness of any woman, especially her womb, for the divinity and birth of Jesus Christ, does not believe in the Lord God of Israel, nor the resurrected Son of God, Jesus Christ.

The cult of the Sacred Womb teaches a false christ.