The Biblical Basis for Catholic Distinctives

[BreadOfLife]

Whether by oral statement or by letter FROM .... “them”...
Clearly you are without understanding.
...Living Apostles Orally Spoke and Sent Letters.
...Written Scripture notifies us of what the Living Apostles Orally Spoke and Letters they Wrote.

It is not a big secret, you were taught AFTER the deaths of the Apostles, Gentile successors can make up whatever they want, speak whatever they want, write whatever they want....and YOU must regard THEM, as AS YOUR “Catholic CHURCH FATHERS”, and their “oral speaking”, AS the Word of God, and their “written documents” AS the Word of God....WHICH ARE NOT RECORDED IN SCRIPTURE!

The Apostles were not called “Church Fathers”.
...Their position was Speak and Preach Gods Word.
...”THEY” Taught God IS the HOLY FATHER.
...”THEY” Taught Christ Jesus IS the POWER and TRUTH of God.
...”THEIR Oral and Letter Teachings are ACCORDING TO GODS WORD....and Recorded in Scripture!”

Their successors were not called “Church Fathers”.
...A VALID successor’s position is Teacher to Speak and Preach Gods Word.
...Your pseudo “church fathers”, orally teach and in writing teach their own gospel and their own holy father.

I have ZERO obligation to jump on your bandwagon of man made nonsense.

More ignorance . . .

Tell me - was PAUL present when the others were given Supremem earthly Authority from Jesus in Matt. 16:18-19, Matt. 18:15-18, Luke 10:16, John 16:12-15, John 20:21-23??

Can you show me a SINGLE verse of Scripture that gave Paul theat SAME Authority as describe in those verses tp the rest of the Apostles?

No?
Thenn HOW could Paul write what he did in 2 Thess. 2:15?

Their Authority was successive (Acts 1:20).

 

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And a person ASKING something of another person is PRAYER by definition .
Do your homework, son . .

Definition of the word “PRAY”:
Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary:
Full Definition of pray
transitive verb
1: entreat, implore —often used as a function word in introducing a question, request, or plea<pray be careful>
2: to get or bring by praying

intransitive verb
1: to make a request in a humble manner
2: to address God or a god with adoration, confession, supplication, or thanksgiving

LOL....you repeatedly post the meaning, yet still too dense to SEE the difference....

Transitive verb.....a person ASKING a request of another person...(less it be youhoo, who speaks to the dead)...

Intransitive verb..a person expressly addressing God...with adoration, confession, supplication or thanksgiving.

 

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Like I said - if YOUR Bible includes the 7 Deuterocanonical Books as inspired Scripture and NOT as "Apocrypha" - then YOU have a Catholic Bible. Notjhing "false" or "deceptive" about that.

Congratulations - there's hope for you yet.

More of your silly nonsense...

 

[BreadOfLife]

LOL....you repeatedly post the meaning, yet still too dense to SEE the difference....
Transitive verb.....a person ASKING a request of another person...(less it be youhoo, who speaks to the dead)...

Intransitive verb..a person expressly addressing God...with adoration, confession, supplication or thanksgiving.

According to the Bible - those in Heaven who are in the eternal presence of Almighty God are no "dead" (Rev. 6:9-11).

Luke 26:38
"Now he is NOT God of the dead, but of the LIVING, for all live to him.”

Do your HOMEWORK . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

More of your silly nonsense...

And another NON-answer from you . . .

 

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More ignorance . . .

Wow...a warning you are going to unload more of your ignorance...

Can you show me a SINGLE verse of Scripture that gave Paul theat SAME Authority as describe in those verses tp the rest of the Apostles?

NO?

Ya, I see you answered your own question and you do not know the answer.

Acts 13:
[2] As they.... (certain prophets and teachers were in the church at Antioch).......ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Wow...a warning you are going to unload more of your ignorance...
Ya, I see you answered your own question and do not know the answer.

Acts 13:
[2] As they.... (certain prophets and teachers were in the church at Antioch).......ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.

Uhhhh - NO, you didn't.
You don't READ very well - DO you?

I said:
Can you show me a SINGLE verse of Scripture that gave Paul theat SAME Authority as described in those verses tp the rest of the Apostles?

SHOW me where the Bible says of Paul:
Matt. 18:15-18
"If your brother sins (against you), go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have won over your brother.
If he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, so that 'every fact may be established on the testimony of two or three witnesses.'
If he refuses to listen to them, tell the church. If he refuses to listen even to the church, then treat him as you would a Gentile or a tax collector.
Amen, I say to you, WHATEVER YOU BIND on earth shall be bound in heaven, and WHATEVER YOU LOOSE on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

John 16:12-15
“I have much more to tell you, but you cannot bear it now.
But when he comes, the Spirit of truth, he will guide you to ALL truth. He will not speak on his own, but he will speak what he hears, and will declare to YOU the things that are coming.
He will glorify me, because he will TAKE from what is MINE and declare it to YOU.
Everything that the Father has is MINE; for this reason I told you that he will TAKE from what is MINE and declare it to YOU.

John 20:21-23
Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent ME, so I send YOU.” And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the holy Spirit. Whose sins YOU FORGIVE are forgiven them, and whose sins YOU RETAIN are retained.”
Whoever listens to YOU listens to ME. Whoever rejects YOU rejects ME. And whoever rejects ME rejects the ONE who sent ME."

 

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According to the Bible - those in Heaven who are in the eternal presence of Almighty God are no "dead" (Rev. 6:9-11).

Luke 26:38
"Now he is NOT God of the dead, but of the LIVING, for all live to him.”

Do your HOMEWORK . . .

Smarten up...
Those in Heaven are saved “spirits” departed out of their Dead body’s....

 

[BreadOfLife]

Smarten up...
Those in Heaven are saved “spirits” departed out of their Dead body’s....

And they are MORE alive than YOU are because they have been made perfect in Christ (Rev. 21:27).
YOU are still being worked on . . .

 

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I said:
Can you show me a SINGLE verse of Scripture that gave Paul theat SAME Authority as described in those verses tp the rest of the Apostles?
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Acts 13:3
LOL...authority of the Holy Spirit conferred upon Saul....escapes your ability to understand....thanks for sharing....LOL

 

[BreadOfLife]

[QUOTE="BreadOfLife, post: 1230145, member: 7345"

Acts 13:3
LOL...authority of the Holy Spirit conferred upon Saul....escapes your ability to understand....thanks for sharing....LOL

Acts 13:3
So after they had fasted and prayed, they placed THEIR hands on them and sent them off.

A PERFECT example of Apostolic succession.

 

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And they are MORE alive than YOU are because they have been made perfect in Christ (Rev. 21:27).
YOU are still being worked on . . .

Sad little man, lead astray with false doctrines that you have not the ability to recognize Gods True Doctrine.

The Converted IN Christ, ARE perfect-ED IN Christ, ARE perfect-ED for ever.

You can keep HOPING your false doctrines and false traditions will save you...
But Scripture itself has warnings that is a dangerous path to tread.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Sad little man, lead astray with false doctrines that you have not the ability to recognize Gods True Doctrine.

The Converted IN Christ, ARE perfect-ED IN Christ, ARE perfect-ED for ever.

You can keep HOPING your false doctrines and false traditions will save you...
But Scripture itself has warnings that is a dangerous path to tread.

Why do you hate God's Word so much?
You certainly reject it often enough.

MY Bible says that He is MAKING us perfect and Sanctify-ING us throughout our lives and that we are BEING saved (1 Cor. 1:8, 2 Cor. 2:15, 7:1, Phil. 2:12, Heb 12:14).

Do your homework . . .

 

[Enoch111]

Unfortunately, the ALL went into heresy . . .

On what grounds? Bible truth or Catholic beliefs? Big difference.

 

[Berserk]

On what grounds? Bible truth or Catholic beliefs? Big difference.

That is precisely why this thread focuses on the biblical basis for Catholic distinctives, which your replies continually duck. Do we need to rub your nose in John 20:23. Matthew 16:19. and James 5:16 to get you to actually focus on God's Word?

 

[Enoch111]

the biblical basis for Catholic distinctives, which your replies continually duck...

I don't need to duck anything since I have shown -- by quoting directly from the Catechism of the Catholic Church -- that almost all their teachings are false. However, they do support the deity of Christ and the Holy Trinity.

Getting back to the passages you have quoted:

1. The power to forgive or not forgive sins was only given to the apostles. This was part of apostolic authority, though rarely used. It was never handed down to the elders. And it certainly has not be handed down to Catholic priests since all Christians as within the Royal Priesthood.

2. Confession of faults is not the same as confession of sins, and only God can absolve sinners. So once again we have a bogus priesthood giving bogus absolutions.

 

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Acts 13:3
So after they had fasted and prayed, they placed THEIR hands on them and sent them off.

A PERFECT example of Apostolic succession.

Begin with a lie, end with a lie. Only Jesus appointed Apostles.

 

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And they are MORE alive than YOU are because they have been made perfect in Christ (Rev. 21:27).
YOU are still being worked on . . .

Error again.
The MADE perfect IN Christ...is anyone bodily alive or bodily dead IN Christ!
Did you miss the COMPLETE purpose of the New Testament?

 

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Why do you hate God's Word so much?

Why do you make so many FALSE statements?

You certainly reject it often enough.

False.

MY

Bible says that He is MAKING us YOU perfect and Sanctify-ING us throughout our lives and that we are BEING saved (1 Cor. 1:8, 2 Cor. 2:15, 7:1, Phil. 2:12, Heb 12:14).

Do your homework . . .

You still have NOT learned HOW TO RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD OF TRUTH.

YOU ARE a WORK IN PROGRESS.
YOU admit it, I recognize it.
YOU and I are DIVIDED.
I AM ALREADY SANCTIFIED.
YOU are HOPING to BECOME SANCTIFIED.
YOU DESPERATELY TRY to bring the Sanctified DOWN to your LEVEL.
YOUR efforts ARE A FAIL.

 

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That is precisely why this thread focuses on the biblical basis for Catholic distinctives, which your replies continually duck. Do we need to rub your nose in John 20:23. Matthew 16:19. and James 5:16 to get you to actually focus on God's Word?

The Catholic Teaching, and men STEEPED in life long Catholic Teaching IS A TEACHING YOU “REQUIRE REPETITIVE” FORGIVENESS OF SIN AGAINST God.

Scriptures THAT APPLY to a man, WHO IS REPETITIVELY SINNING AGAINST God........ARE NOT.....the SAME SCRIPTURES that APPLY to a man WHO IS,
IN CHRIST!

Catholics are taught, to HOPE to BE SAVED.
Men IN CHRIST are taught, THEY ARE SAVED.

* Anyone with the ABILITY TO REASON KNOWS, Scriptures that APPLY to:
The Unsaved, DO NOT APPLY to the SAV-ED.

* Anyone with the ABILITY TO REASON KNOWS, the Difference BETWEEN:
WITH God.
WITHOUT God.
WITHIN God.

* And ALL Scriptures DO NOT APPLY the SAME TO THOSE:
WITH God.
WITHOUT God.
WITHIN God.

* You THINKING it necessary to RUB the SAVED nose in SCRIPTURES that do not APPLY to the SAVED, is akin to saying, “Don’t TRUST Jesus’ Accomplished Works in a man”. <—- UGH!

* OPEN EARS...You certainly can continue to BE “WITH God” and HOPE to BECOME SAVED. THAT APPLIES TO YOU.
* THAT DOES NOT APPLIED TO, those that ARE “WITHIN God”, WHO ARE SAVED.

* Don’t be naive...
Men WITHOUT God, Men WITH God, Men WITHIN God....ARE DIVIDED.
Jews ARE DIVIDED.
Gentile Catholic Christians and Gentile Protestant Christians ARE DIVIDED.

* Learn the TRUTH.
JESUS HIMSELF caused the DIVISION and TOLD us so!