The Biblical Basis for Catholic Distinctives

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BreadOfLife

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Uh oh, Your pseudo psychic abilities have Failed you.
My Bible has all of those Books!

Translation....You make false claims.
And your dishonesty continues.

If you have a Protestant Bible - probably the KJV - it ONLY includes these Books as "Apocrypha" - but NOT as "inspored". If they are included as Scripture then, congratulations - YOU are studying from a CATHOLIC Bible.

Can you tell me WHY they are considered to be "uninspired" by Protestants?
WHY is this so difficult for you?
WHO told you that they were "uninspired"?
 

BreadOfLife

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Yep....still vague....”you have not identified the Traditions”....
Yep....still corrupt....”you making claims I did not make”.
Yep....still deceptive.
How about Infant Baptism?
The Early Church Fathers attest to the fact that this practice was handed down to them by the Apostles.

this is a prime example of you and other Protestants violating 2 thess. 2:15.
 

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Real Christians don't pray to Mary.
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Nonsense.

REAL Christians pray to each other - and ALL member of the Body of Chrst that we petition for prayer.

Definition of the word “PRAY”:
Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary:

Full Definition of pray
transitive verb
1: entreat, implore —often used as a function word in introducing a question, request, or plea<pray be careful>
2: to get or bring by praying

intransitive verb
1: to make a request in a humble manner
2: to address God or a god with adoration, confession, supplication, or thanksgiving


Acts 27:34 - KJV
"Wherefore I pray you to take some meat: for this is for your health: for there shall not an hair fall from the head of any of you".

Crack open a dictionary - AND a Bible, for crying out loud . . .
 

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Ummmm - can you prove your 2 comments above in RED - FROM Scripture? Because - so far, you haven't been able to.

You have on more than one occasion been quoted Scripture that verifies it’s authority.
I have no requirement to understand Scripture For you.

While you're at it - can you also show where the bible teaches the false Protestant doctrine of Perspecuity - the idea that Scripture ibasically interprets itself.

I have no requirement to answer for what I do not claim.

And its precisely this renegade view of Scripture than spawned the tens of thousands of perpetually-splintering Protestant sects that ALL teach different doctrines because the founders oe each sect refused to see ANY other vew than his own.

YOUR Juvenile Gaslighting is noted and laughable.
 

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How about Infant Baptism?
The Early Church Fathers attest to the fact that this practice was handed down to them by the Apostles.

Well then....Give a QUOTE of the Apostles stating that supposed fact.
If it is SUCH A SACRED TRADITION....AS YOU SAY....surely the Apostles spoke quite specifically and lengthy on the subject.

WHERE IS IT?
 

BreadOfLife

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And you, the pseudo all knowing what other possess....peeping Tom? LOL
Soooooo - does this mean that you CAN'T tell me why yout Protestant Bible only lists the 7 Deuterocanonical Books as "Apocrypha" - but NOT as "inspored" Scripture?

I thought not . . .
 

BreadOfLife

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You have on more than one occasion been quoted Scripture that verifies it’s authority.
I have no requirement to understand Scripture For you.[/QUOTE]
Okay - can you point me to the post where you showed me the Chapter and Verse about Scripture being our "SOLE" Authority.
I may have missed that . . .
YOUR Juvenile Gaslighting is noted and laughable.
Do you even know what "gaslighting" means??

Can you show me an example of MY gaslighting on this thread?
 

BreadOfLife

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Well then....Give a QUOTE of the Apostles stating that supposed fact.
If it is SUCH A SACRED TRADITION....AS YOU SAY....surely the Apostles spoke quite specifically and lengthy on the subject.

WHERE IS IT?
Are you really that dense??
Do you even understand what ORAL Tradition is??

To get a quote fro an Apostle on Oral Tradition - I would have to raise one from the DEAD and ask him.
ORAL Tradition is just that - ORAL, not written.

Pay attention:
2 Thess 2:15
"Stand firm and hold fast to the Traditions you were taught, whether by an ORAL STATEMENT or by a LETTER from us."
 

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Why do I, an evangelical who has successfully sued the Catholic church, vigorously defend the biblical basis for their distinctives?
Well, there is an old Indian saying, "Walk a mile in another man's moccasins and you'll agree with him." There is a grain of truth in this hyperbolic saying. Evangelicals rarely love people of other faith traditions enough to make the effort to understand their perspective. Rather, they seek to defame the other with false caricatures that make them feel righteously indignant. They have no clue that a loving look at others' spirituality means looking at its best exemplars and the most rational expression of its apologetic case. So I view my advocacy of Catholic rationality as a matter of spiritual warfare against a shallow evangelicalism that utterly lacks intellectual humility and the grace of an empathetic ear.

As expected, fundamentalists here feel the need to get this thread off track because they have no answer to Matthew 16:19, John 20:23, and James 5:16 as a biblical basis for the Catholic practice of confession and priestly absolution. So it seems time to move on to the OP's next topic, "praying to saints." Fundamentalists like to falsely defame this practice by painting it as an end-run around Jesus' role as mediator, and so, they ignore the fact that Catholics are merely asking specific saints to pray for them. Fundamentalists forget that even deceased saints remain members of the Body of Christ who once lived and still live prayerful lives.

Before I make the biblical case for praying to saints, I invite you to ponder the thrilling possibilities raised by these 4 questions:
(1) Does God allow our deceased loved ones to monitor our progress here on earth?
(2) If so, do they still pray for us as they did during their earthly existence?
(3) If Christ's role as our heavenl Intercessor and Advocate does not eliminate our need to pray for each other, why would it eliminate the need to seek prayer support from deceased saints?
(4) Is it possible that great saints now in Christ's presence have a deep faith to effectively petition God on our behalf?
 

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Nonsense.

REAL Christians pray to each other - and ALL member of the Body of Chrst that we petition for prayer.

Definition of the word “PRAY”:
Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary:

Full Definition of pray
transitive verb
1: entreat, implore —often used as a function word in introducing a question, request, or plea<pray be careful>
2: to get or bring by praying

intransitive verb
1: to make a request in a humble manner
2: to address God or a god with adoration, confession, supplication, or thanksgiving


Acts 27:34 - KJV
"Wherefore I pray you to take some meat: for this is for your health: for there shall not an hair fall from the head of any of you".

Crack open a dictionary - AND a Bible, for crying out loud . . .

YIPES...LOL :rolleyes:

Praying TO God IS a “mans spirit” speaking to “Gods Spirit”...which includes exalting, thanking, asking.

Praying TO a person is asking. Hey pass the potatoes.. Not a spiritual request!
(Which most normal people understand that ASKING a simple request “is a not spiritual request” !)

A person Praying FOR a person...IS a person praying “their spirit” to Gods Spirit” for consideration of an intervention in another persons “spirit”.


Learn the difference between Carnal Understanding and Spiritual Understanding....sheesh!
 

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Soooooo - does this mean that you CAN'T tell me why yout Protestant Bible only lists the 7 Deuterocanonical Books as "Apocrypha" - but NOT as "inspored" Scripture?

I thought not . . .

Another fine example of YOUR old boring deception...
ASK....provide a false answer....RESPOND to your own false answer.

What utterly corrupt tactics you have learned from your Catholic schooling...
What a con!
 

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Another fine example of YOUR old boring deception...
ASK....provide a false answer....RESPOND to your own false answer.

What utterly corrupt tactics you have learned from your Catholic schooling...
What a con!
Like I said - if YOUR Bible includes the 7 Deuterocanonical Books as inspired Scripture and NOT as "Apocrypha" - then YOU have a Catholic Bible. Notjhing "false" or "deceptive" about that.

Congratulations - there's hope for you yet.
 

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YIPES...LOL :rolleyes:

Praying TO God IS a “mans spirit” speaking to “Gods Spirit”...which includes exalting, thanking, asking.

Praying TO a person is asking. Hey pass the potatoes.. Not a spiritual request!
(Which most normal people understand that ASKING a simple request “is a not spiritual request” !)

A person Praying FOR a person...IS a person praying “their spirit” to Gods Spirit” for consideration of an intervention in another persons “spirit”.

Learn the difference between Carnal Understanding and Spiritual Understanding....sheesh!
And a person ASKING something of another person is PRAYER by definition .
Do your homework, son . .

Definition of the word “PRAY”:
Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary:

Full Definition of pray
transitive verb
1: entreat, implore —often used as a function word in introducing a question, request, or plea<pray be careful>
2: to get or bring by praying

intransitive verb
1: to make a request in a humble manner
2: to address God or a god with adoration, confession, supplication, or thanksgiving
 

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Evangelicals rarely love people of other faith traditions enough to make the effort to understand their perspective.
You are confusing hatred of false doctrine vs loving people who have been deceived by their hypocritical hierarchy.

The Lord Jesus Christ Himself hates false doctrines and practices (see Revelation 2 & 3), but He loves the people who have been snared by them. Catholics are generally fine, upstanding, moral citizens, seriously opposed to abortions. God loves them and so should all Christians. Why would anyone hate them for being deceived by the deceivers who run their church?

It is the Catholic church's doctrines and practices that are being addressed. And you are an apologist for them (unlike the Reformers). Even Catholic John Wycliffe was not an apologist for his church's false teachings.
 
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Are you really that dense??
Do you even understand what ORAL Tradition is??

To get a quote fro an Apostle on Oral Tradition - I would have to raise one from the DEAD and ask him.
ORAL Tradition is just that - ORAL, not written.

Pay attention:
2 Thess 2:15
"Stand firm and hold fast to the Traditions you were taught, whether by an ORAL STATEMENT or by a LETTER from us."

Whether by oral statement or by letter FROM .... “them”... :p


Clearly you are without understanding.
...Living Apostles Orally Spoke and Sent Letters.
...Written Scripture notifies us of what the Living Apostles Orally Spoke and Letters they Wrote.

It is not a big secret, you were taught AFTER the deaths of the Apostles, Gentile successors can make up whatever they want, speak whatever they want, write whatever they want....and YOU must regard THEM, as AS YOUR “Catholic CHURCH FATHERS”, and their “oral speaking”, AS the Word of God, and their “written documents” AS the Word of God....WHICH ARE NOT RECORDED IN SCRIPTURE!

The Apostles were not called “Church Fathers”.
...Their position was Speak and Preach Gods Word.
...”THEY” Taught God IS the HOLY FATHER.
...”THEY” Taught Christ Jesus IS the POWER and TRUTH of God.
...”THEIR Oral and Letter Teachings are ACCORDING TO GODS WORD....and Recorded in Scripture!”


Their successors were not called “Church Fathers”.
...A VALID successor’s position is Teacher to Speak and Preach Gods Word.
...Your pseudo “church fathers”, orally teach and in writing teach their own gospel and their own holy father.

I have ZERO obligation to jump on your bandwagon of man made nonsense.
 

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It is the Catholic church's doctrines and practices that are being addressed. And you are an apologist for them (unlike the Reformers). Even Catholic John Wycliffe was not an apologist for his church's false teachings.
Ummmm - ALL of your Protestant Fathers were Catholics.
Unfortunately, the ALL went into heresy . . .