The answer of hell and its origins

[RLT63]

@RLT63 your desperation is evident.....and you are free to believe all of that if you wish.....but please understand that there is no “rapture” ever mentioned in the Bible. That is a word invented by Christendom.

During Christ’s “presence” all of his elect were to be resurrected....those who died last were not to be resurrected before all of the first ones chosen, who had been “sleeping” in their graves since the first century. They were not resurrected before Christ was installed as King, foreseen by Daniel some 500 years before Christ came into the world as Messiah. (Daniel 7:13-14)

David prophesied that Messiah (his Lord) was to sit at God’s right hand “until” his enemies were made to be “a stool for his feet”. (Psalm 110:1-2) His rulership was to begin “in the midst of his enemies”. So instead of seeing Christ coming on the clouds to destroy his enemies, it shows that he will be “present” way before that, overseeing the work that he gave his disciples to do. (Matt 24:14; Matt 28:19-20)

And according to people’s response to their preaching, he will be observing who are behaving as “sheep” and who, like “goats”, would be treating his disciples in the same way as the Pharisees and those influenced by them, treated them in the first century.....in the same way that people treated Noah and scorned his message. (Matt 24:37-39)
Judaism and Christendom are mirror images of one another....both corrupted by the same entity. Both masquerading as the true religion, but hopelessly divided in their apostasy. Both connected to Jesus in the same way.
History is repeating, and no one seems to notice.

God has everything very carefully planned, including the timing of all events. So, why did it take thousands of years for Christ to come to earth as a human after Adam threw all his children under the bus? Why has it taken almost 2,000 years for Christ to return? Do you know?

Look at history and see that time is actually our greatest enemy....given enough time, our common enemy, who has been operative since our beginning, can ever so gradually turn truth into lies, and lies into truth.....but for God’s true worshippers, time will not alter his truth. That is why we have a Bible....the truth that time cannot alter....unless people want it to....or can be convinced that there is no alteration.
Deception is deception....isn’t it? Do the deceived know that they are until it’s too late?

Is the “Christianity” that people accept and practice today, the same as the one Christ began? We first have to ask, “which one”. Whose word do you take for how to determine whose got it right? How much time has the devil had to play with? Who gets to find the diamond in the pile of broken glass? Only those to whom God chooses to reveal his truth. (John 6:44; 65)
We will all find that out very soon as we watch the world falling apart at the seams....and understand why God has allowed us all to experience the greatest object lesson we will ever be taught.

I’m not desperate about anything, your 50 years of indoctrination has blinded you from the truth. I tried to be respectful but you have no respect for anyone’s beliefs but your own. That seems to be the norm for you and your brethren. Be careful, what you think is a diamond may just be cubic zirconium.

 

[RLT63]

It’ll take more than a rebuilt temple, all the synagogues, the seven Churches of Asia Minor. Etc,,,,….

If you are a Preterist I looked into that view and it made a lot of sense until I got to Revelation. Then it just doesn’t fit. But I’m open to other views the Futurist view is not a hill I choose to die on.

 

[Aunty Jane]

It’ll take more than a rebuilt temple, all the synagogues, the seven Churches of Asia Minor. Etc,,,,….

Looking at any end times prophesy and connecting it with any geographical location is nothing more than looking at a red herring. No particular geographical location is involved in a global event when Christ comes to judge the world......and God’s Temple is in heaven as are his priesthood. New Jerusalem in not on earth.

The abomination is the man-made substitute for God’s Kingdom......announced very early as these last days began....
At the close of World War I, the clergy followed the lead of the politicians’ postwar proposals, and proclaimed something other than God’s Kingdom as the only hope of peace for humanity. These same clergy who had sanctioned the war and the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, many of whom were civilians, even of their own denominations on opposing sides. (1 John 4:20-21)

In 1918 the united political program for the postwar world was proposed, and the clergy of Christendom at once supported it.
In January of 1919, before the peace conference convened at Paris, France, the Federal Council of Churches of Christ in America urged the establishing of the League of Nations and said it was not merely a peace expedient, but, to quote their pamphlet, “it is rather the political expression of the kingdom of God on earth.”

There it was...all that time ago substituting a man made abomination to stand in the place of God’s Kingdom as our only hope for peace. It was soon discovered that the League was an abject failure, but after the Second World War, it rose again under another name, and still it was supported by Christendom. Again it has proven to be a complete failure in promoting peace in the world......but this toothless tiger is soon to be getting some teeth as these last days draw to a close. The nations will give it power that it has never had before, to rule as a single world government with total authority over all the people of this world.

They will promise “peace and security” but their agenda is full authoritarian control. They now have the technology to implement their agenda. No one will be able to buy or sell without their permission. This is what is foretold in Revelation. “The mark of the beast” will determine how we live in that world for the “one hour” that is given to them. Those who refuse to accept the mark will be left to fend for themselves. This is where God steps in....because his true worshippers will never accept that “mark”.

Here we go.....

 

[Aunty Jane]

I’m not desperate about anything, your 50 years of indoctrination has blinded you from the truth. I tried to be respectful but you have no respect for anyone’s beliefs but your own. That seems to be the norm for you and your brethren. Be careful, what you think is a diamond may just be cubic zirconium.

Well blindness is nothing new.......is it?
There is no disrespect in telling the truth......it can only be perceived as such.
Sounding a warning can be taken as a threat....or as something to act on.

We all choose our own “hill to die on”.....and none of us will know until it’s too late. We won’t have the opportunity to jump ship at the last moment because now is the time to make our decision.

Who is the God we worship? You clearly do not worship the same God that I do.....but does the rest of Christendom? Who’s doctrines do you accept, regardless of your differing beliefs about many other things?

 

[Waiting on him]

Looking at any end times prophesy and connecting it with any geographical location is nothing more than looking at a red herring. No particular geographical location is involved in a global event when Christ comes to judge the world......and God’s Temple is in heaven as are his priesthood. New Jerusalem in not on earth.

The abomination is the man-made substitute for God’s Kingdom......announced very early as these last days began....
At the close of World War I, the clergy followed the lead of the politicians’ postwar proposals, and proclaimed something other than God’s Kingdom as the only hope of peace for humanity. These same clergy who had sanctioned the war and the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, many of whom were civilians, even of their own denominations on opposing sides. (1 John 4:20-21)

In 1918 the united political program for the postwar world was proposed, and the clergy of Christendom at once supported it.
In January of 1919, before the peace conference convened at Paris, France, the Federal Council of Churches of Christ in America urged the establishing of the League of Nations and said it was not merely a peace expedient, but, to quote their pamphlet, “it is rather the political expression of the kingdom of God on earth.”

There it was...all that time ago substituting a man made abomination to stand in the place of God’s Kingdom as our only hope for peace. It was soon discovered that the League was an abject failure, but after the Second World War, it rose again under another name, and still it was supported by Christendom. Again it has proven to be a complete failure in promoting peace in the world......but this toothless tiger is soon to be getting some teeth as these last days draw to a close. The nations will give it power that it has never had before, to rule as a single world government with total authority over all the people of this world.

They will promise “peace and security” but their agenda is full authoritarian control. They now have the technology to implement their agenda. No one will be able to buy or sell without their permission. This is what is foretold in Revelation. “The mark of the beast” will determine how we live in that world for the “one hour” that is given to them. Those who refuse to accept the mark will be left to fend for themselves. This is where God steps in....because his true worshippers will never accept that “mark”.

Here we go.....

Have the JWs always been futurists?

 

[RLT63]

Looking at any end times prophesy and connecting it with any geographical location is nothing more than looking at a red herring. No particular geographical location is involved in a global event when Christ comes to judge the world......and God’s Temple is in heaven as are his priesthood. New Jerusalem in not on earth.

The abomination is the man-made substitute for God’s Kingdom......announced very early as these last days began....
At the close of World War I, the clergy followed the lead of the politicians’ postwar proposals, and proclaimed something other than God’s Kingdom as the only hope of peace for humanity. These same clergy who had sanctioned the war and the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, many of whom were civilians, even of their own denominations on opposing sides. (1 John 4:20-21)

In 1918 the united political program for the postwar world was proposed, and the clergy of Christendom at once supported it.
In January of 1919, before the peace conference convened at Paris, France, the Federal Council of Churches of Christ in America urged the establishing of the League of Nations and said it was not merely a peace expedient, but, to quote their pamphlet, “it is rather the political expression of the kingdom of God on earth.”

There it was...all that time ago substituting a man made abomination to stand in the place of God’s Kingdom as our only hope for peace. It was soon discovered that the League was an abject failure, but after the Second World War, it rose again under another name, and still it was supported by Christendom. Again it has proven to be a complete failure in promoting peace in the world......but this toothless tiger is soon to be getting some teeth as these last days draw to a close. The nations will give it power that it has never had before, to rule as a single world government with total authority over all the people of this world.

They will promise “peace and security” but their agenda is full authoritarian control. They now have the technology to implement their agenda. No one will be able to buy or sell without their permission. This is what is foretold in Revelation. “The mark of the beast” will determine how we live in that world for the “one hour” that is given to them. Those who refuse to accept the mark will be left to fend for themselves. This is where God steps in....because his true worshippers will never accept that “mark”.

Here we go.....

That’s close but

The New Heaven and Earth​

Rev 21:1 - And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Rev 21:2 - And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband

Rev 21:3 - And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

 

[Waiting on him]

If you are a Preterist I looked into that view and it made a lot of sense until I got to Revelation. Then it just doesn’t fit. But I’m open to other views the Futurist view is not a hill I choose to die on.

I try not to get to hung up on titles… in regards to revelation, I personally believe it to be a last ditch effort for Jesus through The Apostle John to warn the churches to get out of Jerusalem pending the overthrow of Rome.

Oddly he signifies it by his angels seven letters to seven angels of the churches?

Strikes me as odd for Jesus to command John too write epistles too angels, unless these angels are the overseers of the churches in that age?

 

[Waiting on him]

That’s close but

The New Heaven and Earth​

Rev 21:1 - And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Rev 21:2 - And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband

Rev 21:3 - And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

Those first century Christian Jews were the tabernacle of God.

Question, when the veil was rent at the crucifiction of Christ was this veil the curtain hanging in the temple?

Was the most high God behind that curtain?

 

[RLT63]

I try not to get to hung up on titles… in regards to revelation, I personally believe it to be a last ditch effort for Jesus through The Apostle John to warn the churches to get out of Jerusalem pending the overthrow of Rome.

Oddly he signifies it by his angels seven letters to seven angels of the churches?

Strikes me as odd for Jesus to command John too write epistles too angels, unless these angels are the overseers of the churches in that age?

Angel means messenger and some scholars say the angels of the Churches are the Pastors (or Bishops or whatever they were called back then.) Others say that each Church had a literal Angel. From what I have read there were Jews who took Jesus’ advice and escaped the destruction in 70 AD,

 

[Aunty Jane]

Have the JWs always been futurists?

If you mean have we always seen the fulfillment of Bible prophesy as future, then yes, a lot of it is....though some have a dual fulfillment in the day, as well as in the future.....the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 CE being one such prophesy.
Describing both events Matt 24:15-31 contains elements of both....Christians seeing the "abomination of desolation" being the Roman armies undermining the wall of the Temple, but then withdrawing for no apparent reason so that the Christians could flee to the literal mountains for safety. They were told not to take their belongings with them, but just to flee for their lives. It was not until four years later that the Romans suddenly returned to finish what they started, and the Temple was completely destroyed as Jesus said it would be.....but any who thought it safe to return in those intervening years would have been trapped in the city and starved out in the siege.

From V 21 it starts to morph into the long term parts of the prophesy and the "great tribulation" which applies to our time and the "sign of the son of man" and the taking of the remaining ones of the elect from all over the world.

These events are yet future.....

 

[RLT63]

If you mean have we always seen the fulfillment of Bible prophesy as future, then yes, a lot of it is....though some have a dual fulfillment in the day, as well as in the future.....the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 CE being one such prophesy.
Describing both events Matt 24:15-31 contains elements of both....Christians seeing the "abomination of desolation" being the Roman armies undermining the wall of the Temple, but then withdrawing for no apparent reason so that the Christians could flee to the literal mountains for safety. They were told not to take their belongings with them, but just to flee for their lives. It was not until four years later that the Romans suddenly returned to finish what they started, and the Temple was completely destroyed as Jesus said it would be.....but any who thought it safe to return in those intervening years would have been trapped in the city and starved out in the siege.

From V 21 it starts to morph into the long term parts of the prophesy and the "great tribulation" which applies to our time and the "sign of the son of man" and the taking of the remaining ones of the elect from all over the world.

These events are yet future.....

Close.

 

[Waiting on him]

If you mean have we always seen the fulfillment of Bible prophesy as future, then yes, a lot of it is....though some have a dual fulfillment in the day, as well as in the future.....the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 CE being one such prophesy.
Describing both events Matt 24:15-31 contains elements of both....Christians seeing the "abomination of desolation" being the Roman armies undermining the wall of the Temple, but then withdrawing for no apparent reason so that the Christians could flee to the literal mountains for safety. They were told not to take their belongings with them, but just to flee for their lives. It was not until four years later that the Romans suddenly returned to finish what they started, and the Temple was completely destroyed as Jesus said it would be.....but any who thought it safe to return in those intervening years would have been trapped in the city and starved out in the siege.

From V 21 it starts to morph into the long term parts of the prophesy and the "great tribulation" which applies to our time and the "sign of the son of man" and the taking of the remaining ones of the elect from all over the world.

These events are yet future.....

According to you the events are future, but this can’t be said with any absolution can it?

I would have to do some serious mental gymnastics to conclude that the conversation in Matthew and Mark changed from a private one to one where Jesus is speaking to a people 2000 + into the future.


Could you maybe help me to see where this “morph” takes place? Then I’ll better know where to subjectively place myself into all the scriptures.

 

[Waiting on him]

Angel means messenger and some scholars say the angels of the Churches are the Pastors (or Bishops or whatever they were called back then.) Others say that each Church had a literal Angel. From what I have read there were Jews who took Jesus’ advice and escaped the destruction in 70 AD,

Very good, it appears that these seven angles are the same one releasing the plagues?

 

[Aunty Jane]

That’s close but

The New Heaven and Earth​

Rev 21:1 - And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Rev 21:2 - And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband

Rev 21:3 - And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

Again you seem to read right over things you don't notice....
Rev 21:1-4...
"Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea. 2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne, saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is among men, and He will dwell among them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself will be among them, 4 and He will wipe away every tear from their eyes; and there will no longer be any death; there will no longer be any mourning, or crying, or pain; the first things have passed away.” (NASB)

This new heaven and new earth are not literal.
Eccl 1:4...
"A generation goes and a generation comes,
But the earth remains forever."

And there is no reason for heaven to to be replaced...as there was nothing wrong with God's dwelling place either.

Pslam 37:9-11, 29....
"For evildoers will be cut off,
But those who wait for the Lord, they will inherit the land.
10 Yet a little while and the wicked man will be no more;
And you will look carefully for his place and he will not be there.
11 But the humble will inherit the land
And will delight themselves in abundant prosperity. . . . .
The righteous will inherit the land
And dwell in it forever."

The "land" here is the earth where God put us in the first place. It is the earth that will be cleansed, and redeemed mankind who will live on it forever. "The Promised Land" gifted to Israel was a foregleam of that land "flowing with milk and honey"....only then it would be the whole earth transformed into the Paradise it should have been all along. No geographical location on earth at this time is sacred to God.
Every part of it is polluted by the devil. A thorough cleansing is required and that is what's coming.

The "tabernacle" was the physical housing of the ark of the covenant and in the wilderness this make shift temporary "Temple" was the guarantee that God was among his people. Moses would communicate with his God and receive instructions in the Most Holy Compartment where only he and later in the physical Temple, the High Priest was allowed to go once a year.

The curtain that screened off the Most Holy from the Holy was rent in two when Christ died.....it was the symbol of Christ opening the way to heaven for his elect to follow later. This is why Jesus is called "the firstborn from the dead"....he was the first human being to die and receive a heavenly resurrection.....others would follow when Christ returned, but only those chosen by God to rule with Christ. (Rev 20:6)
No one went to heaven before Jesus. (John 3:13)

So a cleansed earth will see mankind re-established in their place in paradise on earth.....because this is what God purposed for them in the beginning....what God starts, he finishes. (Isaiah 55:11) He will not let the devil derail his purpose.

 

[Aunty Jane]

According to you the events are future, but this can’t be said with any absolution can it?

Are you familiar with Daniel's prophesies?

I would have to do some serious mental gymnastics to conclude that the conversation in Matthew and Mark changed from a private one to one where Jesus is speaking to a people 2000 + into the future.

Verses 29-50 are about Christ's return and the end times calamities.

Could you maybe help me to see where this “morph” takes place? Then I’ll better know where to subjectively place myself into all the scriptures.

As above....from v 29... it becomes clear that Christ's words are about his second coming because he is already there telling them about the time of his return. He was "going away to prepare a place for them", but at that stage they did not know what he meant.

"But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. 31 And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.
32 “Now learn the parable from the fig tree: when its branch has already become tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near; 33 so, you too, when you see all these things, recognize that He is near, right at the door. 34 Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away.

36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. 37 For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah. 38 For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be. 40 Then there will be two men in the field; one will be taken and one will be left. 41 Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one will be left.

42 “Therefore be on the alert, for you do not know which day your Lord is coming. 43 But be sure of this, that if the head of the house had known at what time of the night the thief was coming, he would have been on the alert and would not have allowed his house to be broken into. 44 For this reason you also must be ready; for the Son of Man is coming at an hour when you do not think He will.


45 “Who then is the faithful and sensible slave whom his master put in charge of his household to give them their food at the proper time? 46 Blessed is that slave whom his master finds so doing when he comes. 47 Truly I say to you that he will put him in charge of all his possessions. 48 But if that evil slave says in his heart, ‘My master is not coming for a long time,’ 49 and begins to beat his fellow slaves and eat and drink with drunkards; 50 the master of that slave will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour which he does not know, 51 and will cut him in pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." (NASB)

 

[RLT63]

Rev 21:1-4...
"Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea. 2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne, saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is among men, and He will dwell among them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself will be among them, 4 and He will wipe away every tear from their eyes; and there will no longer be any death; there will no longer be any mourning, or crying, or pain; the first things have passed away.” (NASB)

This new heaven and new earth are not literal.
Eccl 1:4...
"A generation goes and a generation comes,
But the earth remains forever."

And there is no reason for heaven to to be replaced...as there was nothing wrong with God's dwelling place either.

Pslam 37:9-11, 29....
"For evildoers will be cut off,
But those who wait for the Lord, they will inherit the land.
10 Yet a little while and the wicked man will be no more;
And you will look carefully for his place and he will not be there.
11 But the humble will inherit the land
And will delight themselves in abundant prosperity. . . . .
The righteous will inherit the land
And dwell in it forever."

The "land" here is the earth where God put us in the first place. It is the earth that will be cleansed, and redeemed mankind who will live on it forever. "The Promised Land" gifted to Israel was a foregleam of that land "flowing with milk and honey"....only then it would be the whole earth transformed into the Paradise it should have been all along. No geographical location on earth at this time is sacred to God.
Every part of it is polluted by the devil. A thorough cleansing is required and that is what's coming.

The "tabernacle" was the physical housing of the ark of the covenant and in the wilderness this make shift temporary "Temple" was the guarantee that God was among his people. Moses would communicate with his God and receive instructions in the Most Holy Compartment where only he and later in the physical Temple, the High Priest was allowed to go once a year.

The curtain that screened off the Most Holy from the Holy was rent in two when Christ died.....it was the symbol of Christ opening the way to heaven for his elect to follow later. This is why Jesus is called "the firstborn from the dead"....he was the first human being to die and receive a heavenly resurrection.....others would follow when Christ returned, but only those chosen by God to rule with Christ. (Rev 20:6)
No one went to heaven before Jesus. (John 3:13)

So a cleansed earth will see mankind re-established in their place in paradise on earth.....because this is what God purposed for them in the beginning....what God starts, he finishes. (Isaiah 55:11) He will not let the devil derail his purpose.

Mat 24:35 - Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
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Mar 13:31 - Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
2 Peter 3:7
7 But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist are stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly. 2Pe 3:10 - But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up

 

[RLT63]

Are you familiar with Daniel's prophesies?

Verses 29-50 are about Christ's return and the end times calamities.

As above....from v 29... it becomes clear that Christ's words are about his second coming because he is already there telling them about the time of his return. He was "going away to prepare a place for them", but at that stage they did not know what he meant.

"But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. 31 And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.
32 “Now learn the parable from the fig tree: when its branch has already become tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near; 33 so, you too, when you see all these things, recognize that He is near, right at the door. 34 Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away.

36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. 37 For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah. 38 For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be. 40 Then there will be two men in the field; one will be taken and one will be left. 41 Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one will be left.

42 “Therefore be on the alert, for you do not know which day your Lord is coming. 43 But be sure of this, that if the head of the house had known at what time of the night the thief was coming, he would have been on the alert and would not have allowed his house to be broken into. 44 For this reason you also must be ready; for the Son of Man is coming at an hour when you do not think He will.


45 “Who then is the faithful and sensible slave whom his master put in charge of his household to give them their food at the proper time? 46 Blessed is that slave whom his master finds so doing when he comes. 47 Truly I say to you that he will put him in charge of all his possessions. 48 But if that evil slave says in his heart, ‘My master is not coming for a long time,’ 49 and begins to beat his fellow slaves and eat and drink with drunkards; 50 the master of that slave will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour which he does not know, 51 and will cut him in pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." (NASB)

. 40 Then there will be two men in the field; one will be taken and one will be left. 41 Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one will be left. What do you think this is describing?

 

[Aunty Jane]

Mat 24:35 - Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
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Mar 13:31 - Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

Do you know what hyperbole is?
There is no reason for the literal heaven and earth to be destroyed.....God’s creation is perfect.
It is the rulership on earth, under the control of the devil, (1 John 5:19) that will be done away with and replaced by a heavenly government, (God's Kingdom).....with Jesus at the helm.

2 Peter 3:7
7 But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist are stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly. 2Pe 3:10 - But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up

Again you are reading right over the plain truth. Who does Peter say is going to be judged? The planet and the universe? Look again....just like the days of Noah...it is the “destruction of the ungodly”.......and just like the days of Noah, the planet survived but the wicked did not. Their judgment came from the heavens in more ways than one.

2 Peter 3:10 has been badly translated there.
The Mounce Interlinear renders that verse...
"But de the Day hēmera of the Lord kyrios will come hēkō like hōs a thief kleptēs, in en which hos the ho heavens ouranos will pass away parerchomai with a rushing noise rhoizēdon, the elements stoicheion · de will melt lyō in the intense heat kausoō, and kai the earth gē and kai the ho works ergon in en it autos will be exposed heuriskō."

There is no "burned up".....the word "heuriskō" does not mean that at all.
According to Strongs, it means....

1. "to come upon, hit upon, to meet with
   
   1. after searching, to find a thing sought
   2. without previous search, to find (by chance), to fall in with
   3. those who come or return to a place
2. to find by enquiry, thought, examination, scrutiny, observation, to find out by practice and experience
   
   1. to see, learn, discover, understand
   2. to be found i.e. to be seen, be present
   3. to be discovered, recognised, detected, to show one's self out, of one's character or state as found out by others (men, God, or both)
   4. to get knowledge of, come to know, God
3. to find out for one's self, to acquire, get, obtain, procure"

"The KJV translates Strong's G2147 in the following manner: find (174x)"

How does "FIND" or "EXPOSED" get to mean "burned up"?......human bias and mistranslation. Are you aiding and abetting them by promoting their errors?

The "heat" in 2 Peter is God's burning anger. (Read the second Psalm and see what David prophesied about God's anger) It is not literal destruction of the planet or the universe, but like Sodom and Gomorrah literal fire may be used by God in the "destruction of the ungodly", (like water was used in his first judgment upon wicked humanity). But the earth and God's entire material creation, is not going anywhere....

It is obvious that you do no personal Bible study, but just accept what you are spoon fed....again that is your choice.
But before you post scripture, please make sure that you know what the original language says so you are not misled as to what bad translations are implying.

 

[Aunty Jane]

. 40 Then there will be two men in the field; one will be taken and one will be left. 41 Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one will be left. What do you think this is describing?

This is about the judgment and those who are "taken" as opposed to those who are "left". It is an individual judgment.....and it is that specific.....

Luke's account also shows how specific it is....
Luke 17:26-35....
"Just as it was in the days of Noah, so will it be in the days of the Son of Man. 27 They were eating and drinking and marrying and being given in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise, just as it was in the days of Lot—they were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building, 29 but on the day when Lot went out from Sodom, fire and sulfur rained from heaven and destroyed them all— 30 so will it be on the day when the Son of Man is revealed. 31 On that day, let the one who is on the housetop, with his goods in the house, not come down to take them away, and likewise let the one who is in the field not turn back. 32 Remember Lot's wife. 33 Whoever seeks to preserve his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life will keep it. 34 I tell you, in that night there will be two in one bed. One will be taken and the other left. 35 There will be two women grinding together. One will be taken and the other left.” (ESV)

Strongs def of "taken" is....
"to take to, to take with one's self, to join to one's self"

1. an associate, a companion

These are the close companions of Jesus Christ...his faithful disciples, whereas the ones who are "left" are those he rejects. ...which means "to send away

1. to bid going away or depart
   
   
   1. of a husband divorcing his wife"

We understand what that means.....even to the dividing of "two in one bed"....or a husband divorcing his wife.

By comparing the days of Noah and Sodom and Gomorrah, the people on earth today will face the same kind of judgment. It will be that specific.....and that final. Some will have qualified for salvation and others will not.....all judged on the choices they made in their lives.

 

[RLT63]

Do you know what hyperbole is?
There is no reason for the literal heaven and earth to be destroyed.....God’s creation is perfect.
It is the rulership on earth, under the control of the devil, (1 John 5:19) that will be done away with and replaced by a heavenly government, (God's Kingdom).....with Jesus at the helm.



Again you are reading right over the plain truth. Who does Peter say is going to be judged? The planet and the universe? Look again....just like the days of Noah...it is the “destruction of the ungodly”.......and just like the days of Noah, the planet survived but the wicked did not. Their judgment came from the heavens in more ways than one.

2 Peter 3:10 has been badly translated there.
The Mounce Interlinear renders that verse...
"But de the Day hēmera of the Lord kyrios will come hēkō like hōs a thief kleptēs, in en which hos the ho heavens ouranos will pass away parerchomai with a rushing noise rhoizēdon, the elements stoicheion · de will melt lyō in the intense heat kausoō, and kai the earth gē and kai the ho works ergon in en it autos will be exposed heuriskō."

There is no "burned up".....the word "heuriskō" does not mean that at all.
According to Strongs, it means....

1. "to come upon, hit upon, to meet with
   
   1. after searching, to find a thing sought
   2. without previous search, to find (by chance), to fall in with
   3. those who come or return to a place
2. to find by enquiry, thought, examination, scrutiny, observation, to find out by practice and experience
   
   1. to see, learn, discover, understand
   2. to be found i.e. to be seen, be present
   3. to be discovered, recognised, detected, to show one's self out, of one's character or state as found out by others (men, God, or both)
   4. to get knowledge of, come to know, God
3. to find out for one's self, to acquire, get, obtain, procure"

"The KJV translates Strong's G2147 in the following manner: find (174x)"

How does "FIND" or "EXPOSED" get to mean "burned up"?......human bias and mistranslation. Are you aiding and abetting them by promoting their errors?

The "heat" in 2 Peter is God's burning anger. (Read the second Psalm and see what David prophesied about God's anger) It is not literal destruction of the planet or the universe, but like Sodom and Gomorrah literal fire may be used by God in the "destruction of the ungodly", (like water was used in his first judgment upon wicked humanity). But the earth and God's entire material creation, is not going anywhere....

It is obvious that you do no personal Bible study, but just accept what you are spoon fed....again that is your choice.
But before you post scripture, please make sure that you know what the original language says so you are not misled as to what bad translations are implying.

You ignore one verse then explain why the Bible doesn’t say what it says. You can always find a way to make it fit your view, it’s literal when you want it to be and figurative when it helps your case. 2 Peter 3:7–12 is describing a literal event in the future. “The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare. . . . That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat” (2 Peter 3:10, 12). As stated in a previous post, this earth will not last, and God has something better planned. John records seeing “‘a new heaven and a new earth,’ for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away” (Revelation 21:1).