The 6th seal great tribulation

[tailgator]

The great tribulation of the sixth seal is the time of the wrath of God.It takes place after the persecution of the saints in the 5th seal.

The saints are instructed in the testimony of Jesus and the word of God to warn the people of God's coming judgement .Much like John the Baptist became a watchman warning the people to repent.If you remember,John was beheaded .
The saints warn against worshiping the beast ,it's image and receiving its mark .They testify of Jesus and are killed for these reasons.

In all accounts ,the persecution comes first ,followed by the great tribulation and the wrath of God upon all them who rejected the gospel .

Revelation 6
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.



The church from the nations does not suffer the wrath of God but are delivered out of the sixth seal great tribulation.


Revelation 7
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,

12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.

13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

 

[tailgator]

Daniel 11-12 records the same events.
The persecution of the saints in Israel and then the great tribulation.
According to Daniel ,the persecution lasts for a time,times and a half.3.5 years.

First the persecution.

Daniel 11:33-35
“Wise leaders will give instruction to many, but these teachers will die by fire and sword, or they will be jailed and robbed.
During these persecutions, little help will arrive, and many who join them will not be sincere.
And some of the wise will fall victim to persecution. In this way, they will be refined and cleansed and made pure until the time of the end, for the appointed time is still to come.

And then the great tribulation.

Daniel 12:1-2
And at that time Michael the great prince shall stand up, that stands over the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book.
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to reproach and everlasting shame.


Notice ,that during this great tribulation is when the names of them who are written ,are delivered at that time .This corresponds with the 144000 being redeemed from the earth and the great multitude in revelation 7 coming out of great tribulation.

 

[tailgator]

Jesus Olivet discourse describes the same persecution of the saints in Israel ,and the same great tribulation.



First the persecution

Luke 21
12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.

13 And it shall turn to you for a testimony.

14 Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:

15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.

16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.

17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake


Then the great tribulation.

Luke 21
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.




It is at this time of great tribulation seen in revelation 6th seal ,the Olivet discourse,and Daniel 12:1 that the church is delivered.

 

[tailgator]

The 6th seal great tribulation is caused by nation attacking nation and kingdom against kingdom.

It takes place after the king of the north goes forth to destroy the middle east and north Africa.

Daniel 11:44
But reports from the east and the north will alarm him, and he will set out in a great rage to destroy and annihilate many.



It is at that time that his armed forces set up the abomination that causes desolation.This device causes great tribulation and males the land desolate so that it is uninhabited by common men.


Mathew 24
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand.)

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

 

[ScottA]

11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Here is what is true: Each suffers tribulation, as Paul also said, "but each one in his own order."

Thus, the only timeline, is "the evening and the morning."

 

[tailgator]

Here is what is true: Each suffers tribulation, as Paul also said, "but each one in his own order."

Thus, the only timeline, is "the evening and the morning."

There is a timeline of 3.5 years for the persecution by the beast.This timeline is confirmed in Daniel 7 and Daniel 12.

Revelation 13
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.



The great tribulation when the beast is destroyed takes place after the beast persecutes the saints.

 

[ScottA]

There is a timeline of 3.5 years for the persecution by the beast.This timeline is confirmed in Daniel 7 and Daniel 12.

Revelation 13
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.



The great tribulation when the beast is destroyed takes place after the beast persecutes the saints.

The "line upon line, here a little there a little" unfolding details of the word of God are to be refolded again, just as all unfolded from Adam and are refolded in Christ. Indeed, we dwell for a time in the midst of those details where they would seem to be the rule--but they are not, for God who is the same yesterday, today, and forever is the rule.

For this reason Paul preached the renewing of your mind.

 

[Davidpt]

The great tribulation of the sixth seal is the time of the wrath of God.It takes place after the persecution of the saints in the 5th seal.

The saints are instructed in the testimony of Jesus and the word of God to warn the people of God's coming judgement .Much like John the Baptist became a watchman warning the people to repent.If you remember,John was beheaded .
The saints warn against worshiping the beast ,it's image and receiving its mark .They testify of Jesus and are killed for these reasons.

In all accounts ,the persecution comes first ,followed by the great tribulation and the wrath of God upon all them who rejected the gospel .

Revelation 6
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.



The church from the nations does not suffer the wrath of God but are delivered out of the sixth seal great tribulation.


Revelation 7
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,

12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.

13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

I think you are conflating things here per the title of the thread. I think you may have meant to say Revelation 6 not the 6th seal. Great tribulation is during the 5th seal not the 6th seal. Mathew 24:29, for one, makes that crystal clear since that verse is involving the 6th seal and that verse says it immediately follows after the trib of those days, the trib of those days meaning great tribulation.

 

[Douggg]

The sixth seal event will take place near the end of the great tribulation, when the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, Matthew 24:30a.

On the 2520 days 7 year time line...

1. great tribulation begins on day 1185. When the abomination of desolation is setup on the temple mount, Daniel 12:11-12
2. the sixth seal event of the Son of man appearing heaven on day 2475.

 

[Douggg]

 

[Keraz]

Isaiah 34:1-3 Approach, you nations and listen – attend you peoples. Let the earth listen, all the world and all that is in it. For the Lords anger is against all the nations and His wrath upon all their armies. He has given them over to slaughter and destruction. Joel 2:1-11 Their slain will be flung out and their blood will cover the ground. Their dead bodies will stink. Jeremiah 25:33

Isaiah 34:4-5 All the host of heaven will fade away. The sky will roll up as a scroll.
For My sword appears in heaven and descends in judgement on Edom – on a people whom I have doomed for destruction. Jeremiah 49:7-22

Isaiah 34:6-17 The Lord has a sword covered in blood – the blood of lambs and goats.
For the Lord has a sacrifice in Bozrah and a great slaughter in Edom. Their land will drink deep of their blood and be enriched by their fat. Obadiah 1-21
For the Lord has a Day of vengeance, a time for retribution, to uphold Zion’s cause. Zechariah 9:14-17 Edom’s rivers will be turned into pitch and it’s soil into brimstone. Smoke from it will rise forever, no one will ever again pass through it. The owl and raven will make it their home. All wild birds and beasts will have their place in that land. Jeremiah 9:7-22
Ref. Revised English Bible, some verses condensed.

From verse 4, we get the clue that this terrible Day of the Lords vengeance is also the Sixth Seal – Rev 6:12-17 .....There was a violent earthquake; the sun turned black and the moon as red as blood, stars fell to the earth, the sky vanished like a scroll being rolled up. The kings of the earth, the rich and powerful, and all men hid themselves in caves and under rocks: they called out for the earth to hide them from the One who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb. For the great Day of their vengeance has come and who can stand? Isaiah 2:12-21

Isaiah 63:1-6... the judgement on Edom and Bozrah. Edom: the ungodly nations.” A people doomed for destruction”. Bozrah: the sheepfold, must be cleansed to become the place of safety, to which the elect will be taken, during the Tribulation. A place “at the end of the earth” a place as far as possible from Israel. Revelation 12:13-16

Rev 7:1-8 After that......[the Sixth Seal disaster] Do not damage anything further until we have set the seal of God upon His servants. .......
These are the 144,000 selected from the 12 groups of the Lord’s Christian people. As the 12 Disciples and the 12 sons of Jacob.
Proved by Isaiah 66:21: where the Lord takes some of those from every race, nation and language, to be His priests. Also Revelation 5:9-10

They go out in pairs to spread the good news of the coming Kingdom of God. Isaiah 66:19, Luke 10:1-10: 72+72 X 1000 = 144,000 This proves the Lord’s people; faithful Christians, the Israelites of God; must gather into the Land soon after it is cleansed, so the Lord’s Day of vengeance must be before the Return.

Isaiah 30:26 describes the sun being 7 times stronger and these passages in Isaiah 34 and Joel 1:15-20 describe the results of that disaster, the land burnt and devastated.
The effect of ‘the sky rolled up like a scroll’ will be what would happen if a Coronal Mass Ejection was exploded from the sun, by a huge sunspot. It would cause terrible loss of life and worldwide devastation. Malachi 4:1, 2 Peter 3:7 and about 70 other verses also prophesy about this forthcoming fire judgement upon all the earth’s nations.

 

[Davidpt]

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Your timeline here involves 7 years and that great tribulation appears to be involving the biggest majority of the 7 years. Yet, great tribulation is only 3.5 years. So why do you have it involving the majority of the 7 years? You would think you would at least have it in between seal 3 and 4 since that appears to be the midway point on your chart. But where you have it beginning doesn't look like the midway point on your chart. You are contradicting something, obviously. Otherwise, the beginning of great tribulation should be located in the middle of your chart, not closer to the beginning of it instead. Then it being the bulk of this 7 years rather than just half of it.

 

[Douggg]

Your timeline here involves 7 years and that great tribulation appears to be involving the biggest majority of the 7 years. Yet, great tribulation is only 3.5 years.

I understand your point - if the chart were drawn to scale. The chart is not drawn to scale. I started by making the six seal blocks
(the yellow, then light green, then green, then gray, then blue, then peach) all about the same size, and then noting just below each seal block - what that particular seal is about. The main goal was to show what each seal is about.

Number wise, 3.5 years is 1260 days. The great tribulation will be 1335 days (3.7 years). So, a difference of 75 days. Again though, the chart is not drawn to scale.

So why do you have it involving the majority of the 7 years? You would think you would at least have it in between seal 3 and 4 since that appears to be the midway point on your chart.

1335 days is 75 days longer than half of 7 years.

The chart is not to scale. It would be unreadable if drawn to scale. I made the blocks of the seals about all equal width. If the chart were to drawn to scale, the seal blocks would be of significant different size widths. For example, the seal 1 block (the false messianic age) would be almost half the width of the chart, as the Antichrist will commit the ToD act about 3 years into the 7 years.

The chart is designed to show relationship of events to each other and where in the seven years. For example, the 6th seal is near the end of the 7 years.

The chart has lot of information. For example, the arch villain first as the little horn, then as the Antichrist, then as the revealed man of sin, then as the beast.

 

[tailgator]

I think you are conflating things here per the title of the thread. I think you may have meant to say Revelation 6 not the 6th seal. Great tribulation is during the 5th seal not the 6th seal. Mathew 24:29, for one, makes that crystal clear since that verse is involving the 6th seal and that verse says it immediately follows after the trib of those days, the trib of those days meaning great tribulation.

The title is accurate.
The tribulation of those days Jesus is speaking of Is the persecution of the saints.It lasts 3.5 years.
(The 5th seal)

After the persecution of those days ,then comes the great tribulation when there will be great earthquakes,the stars of heaven falling to earth,famine,pestilence.100s of millions of people suffering and dying in pain.

John himself was in tribulation but he was not in the great tribulation.

" I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation"


Revelation 1
9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ


John was in tribulation,he was not in the great tribulation caused by the abomination that causes desolation.

 

[tailgator]

I think you are conflating things here per the title of the thread. I think you may have meant to say Revelation 6 not the 6th seal. Great tribulation is during the 5th seal not the 6th seal. Mathew 24:29, for one, makes that crystal clear since that verse is involving the 6th seal and that verse says it immediately follows after the trib of those days, the trib of those days meaning great tribulation.

These verses might help you understand the difference between the tribulation of the 5th seal and the great tribulation of the 6th seal


Daniel wrote about the tribulation here.He speaks of how the saints are imprisoned and killed.This is the 5th seal being opened.


Daniel 11:33-35
“Wise leaders will give instruction to many, but these teachers will die by fire and sword, or they will be jailed and robbed.
During these persecutions, little help will arrive, and many who join them will not be sincere.
And some of the wise will fall victim to persecution. In this way, they will be refined and cleansed and made pure until the time of the end, for the appointed time is still to come.


After that tribulation ,then comes the great tribulation .It takes place after president Trump sends the armed forces to annihilate many in Daniel 11:44.This is when the 6th seal is opened ,the 144000 are sealed in their foreheads and a great multitude is delivered out of great tribulation in revelation 7:14


"a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: "!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Daniel 12:1-2
And at that time Michael the great prince shall stand up, that stands over the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book.
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to reproach and everlasting shame.

 

[Douggg]

It is at that time that his armed forces set up the abomination that causes desolation.This device causes great tribulation and males the land desolate so that it is uninhabited by common men.

The abomination of desolation will be a statue image of the beast king set up on the temple mount. That statue image will come alive and speak (seemingly by a miracle by the false prophet, but in reality it will be indwelt by Satan).

A nuclear bomb, what you are suggesting, does not come to life and speak.

Plus, there is no reason to place a nuclear bomb, weapon on the temple mount. Nukes could be placed anywhere in Israel for deployment. Israel is thought to already have nukes at military sites in Israel.

 

[Douggg]

Daniel wrote about the tribulation here.He speaks of how the saints are imprisoned and killed.This is the 5th seal being opened.


Daniel 11:33-35
“Wise leaders will give instruction to many, but these teachers will die by fire and sword, or they will be jailed and robbed.
During these persecutions, little help will arrive, and many who join them will not be sincere.
And some of the wise will fall victim to persecution. In this way, they will be refined and cleansed and made pure until the time of the end, for the appointed time is still to come.

Daniel 11:33-35 is talking about the past 2000 years of the gospel being spread, transitioning to the time of the end.

The great tribulation begins at the time of the 2nd seal, and the 3rd seal, 4th seal, 5th seal, 6th seal events all take place during the great tribulation.

 

[tailgator]

The abomination of desolation will be a statue image of the beast king set up on the temple mount. That statue image will come alive and speak (seemingly by a miracle by the false prophet, but in reality it will be indwelt by Satan).

A nuclear bomb, what you are suggesting, does not come to life and speak.

Plus, there is no reason to place a nuclear bomb, weapon on the temple mount. Nukes could be placed anywhere in Israel for deployment. Israel is thought to already have nukes at military sites in Israel.

So you believe God will deliver the great multitude out of the great tribulation of the 6th seal caused by a statue ?

How do you believe a statue causes a severe earthquake and causes the heavens to depart from the earth like a scroll being rolled together when the 6th seal is opened?

Let's hear your fairy tale about the destroying statue.

 

[tailgator]

Daniel 11:33-35 is talking about the past 2000 years of the gospel being spread, transitioning to the time of the end.

The great tribulation begins at the time of the 2nd seal, and the 3rd seal, 4th seal, 5th seal, 6th seal events all take place during the great tribulation.



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False
The persecution of the saints in Daniel 11:33-35 is a period of 3.5 years.A time,times and a half time.42 months.

A time,times and a half is not 2000 years.

Daniel 12
6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?

7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

 

[Douggg]

So you believe God will deliver the great multitude out of the great tribulation of the 6th seal caused by a statue ?

How do you believe a statue causes a severe earthquake and causes the heavens to depart from the earth like a scroll being rolled together when the 6th seal is opened?

Let's hear your fairy tale about the destroying statue.

The false prophet will require everyone to worship the statue image of the beast-king who will claim to be god or be killed if they refuse. When the false prophet brings the statue image to life and it speaks - it will be because Satan will indwell the statue image.

A nuclear bomb or missile does not breathe or speak, nor is something that people will be forced to worship or die.

When Jesus returns, Jesus will cause the statue image of the beast-king to burst into flames and turned to ashes, exposing Satan there on the temple mount for all to see. Fulfilling Ezekiel 28:16-19.

16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.