The 144,000 before God at the end.

[Truther]

That 'trib saints' idea by the false pre-trib rapture doctors believe are ALL JEWS that convert to Christ 'during'... the "great tribulation". That idea is NOWHERE written in God's Word. The pre-trib rapture doctors simply made that idea up because of Scripture like Christ's Olivet discourse that shows saints going through the great trib (Matt.24:.16-22).

Then they continue another false idea with that, that those trib saints have to be unbelieving Jews that only convert to Christ during the trib. And then some of them lie against Christ's Olivet discourse saying Jesus did not give that for His Church when He was actually speaking to the 'foundation' of His Church.

What God's Word teaches is that how one believes just prior to the 'start' of the great trib, that is how one will remain throughout the tribulation. This is why the unbelieving will be those in shame when they see Jesus coming in the clouds per Matt.24:16-22. They being in shame when Jesus comes, they will wish for the hills to "Cover us", and for the mountains to "Fall on us" (Luke 23:30).

The saints (Christs Church) of believers that GO into the time of "great tribulation" are not those who only convert to Christ once the trib has already started.

And the future marriage supper with Jesus ONLY happens AFTER His future return TO EARTH. This is shown simply in the Revelation 19:1-9 verses. Those verses reveal the "great whore" has already been defeated and her reign ended, which means Christ's coming had already happened. Even in The Gospel Jesus showed the marriage supper is when He Himself sits down in His Kingdom with His saints after His future return to earth, and He shows the unbelieving Jews are then cast out. That ain't about a pre-trib rapture, anyone with just a little common sense should easily figure that out, since the "great whore" is already defeated per those Rev.19:1-9 verses when the marriage supper with Jesus happens.

And I noticed that you SKIPPED the Revelation 19:1-5 verses that show the "great whore" had already been destroyed by the time of that marriage supper. So what you teach should not be trusted simply because you show no interest in staying with what God's Word says.


The Heavenly dimension is to be revealed right here on earth, when Jesus comes to gather His faithful Church. Anyone who has read Genesis 2 with God's Eden upon this earth back at that time, and with what Apostle Paul taught in 1 Corinthians 15 and 1 Thessalonians 4, should already know this.

The great whore is the RCC. The saints per 1 Thes 4/Matt 24 are in heaven at the supper as this event is transpiring.

 

[Truther]

The "sheep" is about Christ's faithful Church. The "goats" are about the unbelievers. That dividing ONLY happens AFTER the tribulation when Jesus has already returned to this EARTH and is sitting upon the throne of His inheritance, David's throne, which is an earthly throne. Thus those above Matt.25:33-34 verses are at the start of Christ's future "thousand years" reign timing.



We are ALL... sinners according to God's Word (Galatians 3:22). The difference with those in Christ is that Jesus forgives us our sins when we repent and ask Him. So the sins of Christ's faithful are covered by Christ as long as we remain faithful in Him. But those who do not believe on Jesus Christ, they will be held accountable for their sins, every one of their sins, and thus in spiritual nakedness with nothing to cover them.

Matthew 25, about the "sheep" and "goats" I've already explained per the written Scripture. The "sheep" represent Christ's faithful Church STILL ALIVE on earth when He comes to gather them to Himself. The "goats" are the wicked and unbelieving.

And here is what you left out of that Matthew 25 Scripture about the sheep and goats...

Matt 25:31-34
31 When the Son of man shall come in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then shall He sit upon the throne of His glory:

"When the Son of man shall come in His glory" = Jesus' future coming to EARTH to gather His faithful Church that is still on earth. There is NO PRE-TRIB RAPTURE shown with that, but instead just the opposite, because He has not gathered His "sheep" yet at this point in time, which is when? At the end of the "great tribulation". Jesus' 2nd coming is what ENDS the future "great tribulation". There is NO secret coming for the Church written of before that.

The "holy angels" that come with Jesus are His angels in Heaven today. Jesus brings them from Heaven with Him when He comes, pointing also to 1 Thess.4 with His bringing the 'asleep' saints that are resurrected; and He brings them with Him when He DESCENDS to the earth.

32 And before Him shall be gathered all nations: and He shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And He shall set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left.

That "And before Him shall be gathered all nations", shows WHERE these "sheep" will be gathered from when Jesus returns. These "sheep" are His faithful Church that will remain alive on earth to the day of His future coming, and they will be "caught up" to Jesus per 1 Thess.4:17. That is HOW Jesus will separate these 'sheep' from the "goats" OUT OF ALL NATIONS. That "caught up" event of 1 Thess.4:17 is what your false pre-trib rapture doctors call the 'rapture', but it ain't prior to the trib, as this Matthew 25 Scripture easily reveals it only happens right here, on the day of Christ's future coming to TAKE REIGN over ALL nations, which means the great trib is ended by the time of this event.

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, "Come, ye blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:"
KJV

Those ordained to inherit the Kingdom from the foundation of the world is about ALL of Christ's faithful Church. Those believers who fall away to the coming false-Messiah that comes first in place of Jesus Christ shall not... inherit the Kingdom., but shall be cast to the "outer darkness" where there will be wailing (crying) and gnashing of teeth (teeth clacking due to crying). There those unfaithful believers will remain throughout Christ's future "thousand years" reign with His faithful Church.

If we are all sinners, then we are all goats.

Our viginity comes via being baptized in the name of Jesus Christ(buried with Christ).

Many of these elite folks that are baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of their sins are still not walking in the Spirit(no oil).

This passage in Matt 25 depicts the last days, Laodicea type situation in the virgin church bride.

Sinners are not what this is about.

If you are a sinner, you need to obey Acts 2:38 to fix it.

 

[Truther]

That's yet ANOTHER BIBLE SCRIPTURE you don't know, just what the "wrath" of 1 Thessalonians 5:9 is about...


You're going to get a FREE BIBLE LESSON about that "wrath" right here, IF you pay attention...

1 Thess 5:1-9
5 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

Apostle Paul is speaking of the SIGNS of the events of the END leading up to Christ's future coming to gather His Church, and punish the wicked and deceived. Those at the Church of Thessalonica Paul had no need to cover all that, because he said they already knew them (those future events written in The Old Testament first).

2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

On the 6th Vial of Revelation 16:15, Jesus warned His Church that was still not yet gathered, that He comes "as a thief", and for His to keep their garments (of white), lest they appear spiritually naked in shame. That is PROOF FROM LORD JESUS, that His coming to gather His Church had not happened yet at that 6th Vial!

Your false pre-trib rapture preachers instead claim Jesus gathers His Church by the time of Rev.4, and then they say stupid things like the Church is not mentioned after that in Revelation. Well, Jesus is speaking directly to His Church in that Rev.16:15 verse within the 6th Vial timing! And that reveals once again the pre-trib rapture doctrine is a LIE against God's written Word.

3 For when they shall say, "Peace and safety"; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

When who... says that, "Peace and safety"? the wicked and deceived during the coming "great tribulation" time. Daniel 8 and 11, and Revelation reveal the Antichrist ("little horn") will come to power as king over all nations, and destroy USING PEACE; and even that craft will prosper by his hand. Thus the deceived will be claiming that "Peace and safety" has come for the whole... world once that false-Messiah appears on earth first to work that false peace, and great signs and wonders and miracles.

And when the symbolic "thief" (representing the surprise of Christ's coming in the clouds), it will be then that "sudden destruction" will come upon those who will be claiming world peace and safety!

That means the false pre-trib rapture authors like Hal Lindsay and Tim LaHaye have it all wrong, as they are NOT aware that the time of the "great tribulation" is going to be a time of WORLD PEACE AND SAFETY, yet a false peace, all per God's written Word. Those authors, like you, are instead spirutually drunken on the false pre-trib rapture ideas of men, and don't really know what God's Word teaches about the END.

4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

Per Paul, Christ's faithful Church are NOT be deceived by those events. The "day of the Lord" which Paul links to the day of Christ's coming to gather His Church, is to be recognized within the ballpark of events leading up to Christ's future return on the last day of this world. Christ's Church is not to be deceived by these events. Thus those in Christ are NOT... to be spiritually asleep about these events like those claiming "Peace and safety" will be. And thus knowing about the "times and the seasons" from God's Word is how the faithful Church reveals they do heed and keep what God's written Word says, instead of men's philosophy being used to twist His Word.


7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.

There it is, Paul uses the idea of spiritual drunkeness for the deceived that will claim that "Peace and safety", their not knowing what the time of the end they will be in.

Right now we are in what Jesus called "the beginning of sorrows" in Matthew 24. That is NOT the "great tribulation". The "great tribulation" starts with the coming false-Messiah showing up and placing the "abomination of desolation" IDOL in a new Jewish temple in Jerusalem (Matt.24:15). Today's Orthodox Jews in Jerusalem have to build their 3rd temple first before that will happen.

When that false-Messiah does show up in Jerusalem, playing GOD, Rev.13:4-8 reveals ALL nations will be under that false one for 42 months, which is the latter 1260 days period of Daniel's symbolic "one week" of Daniel 9:27, and with the placing of the abomination per the Daniel 11:31 Scripture. That Rev.13 Scripture also reveals that false one will be given power over Christ's saints for that 42 months, and that means Christ's Church STILL HERE ALIVE UPON THIS EARTH.

8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
KJV

Finally, that "wrath" that you ill spoke of, since the false pre-trib rapture preachers wrongly teach that above "wrath" is Satan's wrath, when IT IS NOT. That "wrath"above is GOD'S CUP OF WRATH POURED OUT ON THE 'LAST DAY' of this world, on the final 7th Vial of Revelation 16! That... is the "sudden destruction" Paul spoke of that will come suddenly upon those who claim 'peace and safety', i.e., that the NEW WORLD ORDER has finally come and is completed!

Guess where... in God's Word those Truths about the END were first written? Not in The New Testament, but in The Old Testament, like in the Book of Isaiah which includes a section of Chapters that some Bible scholars call 'The Apocalypse of Isaiah'. God gives strong details of how the wicked and deceived will be fooled about the events of the very end when the "sudden destruction" comes upon them on the "day of the Lord", which is the last day of this present world. And that is where... Apostle Paul is pulling from in this 1 Thess.5 chapter.

99% commentary.

You talk to much.

Post more scripture.

 

[Truther]

Now you are MOCKING God Himself and His Word, because He uses many... parables and metaphors in His Word. If you had even read The New Testament Scripture by Jesus Himself, you would easily know this FACT.

But the more falseness you keep throwing out, and your show of lack of reading New Testament Scripture, even simple Gospel Scripture, I now have strong doubt that you are even a Christian. The unbelieving Jews don't study The New Testament Scriptures, so they are ignorant of their meaning, as you are showing.

Metapors are lies, but "types of" are not.

 

[Truther]

Per Jesus in Luke 17:36-37 when His disciples asked Him, "Where, Lord?" of where those would be 'taken' to, Jesus showed those are taken to where the FOWLS of Satan will FEAST ON THEM! So that is NOT about Christ's faithful Church! Thus there is NO 'taken' idea in Matt.24 about the Church.

That's a goofy doctrine....sinners taken then saints left on wrecked earth.

I showed you that Paul in 1 Thes 4-5 was quoting Jesus per Matt 24.

This completely debunks your eagle doctrine.

I saw that withing 24 hours of hearing a conference speaker bring it up.

I prayed, then saw it for the first time by reading it carefully....(catcking away, then thief, then drunken servant).

You better reread these comparisons also.

You are kicking against the pricks.

 

[Truther]

I don't have to be concerned with God's consuming fire on the last day when the "sudden destruction" comes upon the wicked and deceived on that "day of the Lord". My soul is under Christ's Ark of protection. And persecution will ONLY come from Satan's host and those deceived, like yourself.

Yeah, read and heed the following, because at this point in time, you reveal you will be the type that will have even your LOVED ONES delivered up to the New World Order because they will REFUSE to bow to it or the false-Messiah that will be here for the time of "great tribulation"...


Rev.6 on the 5th SEAL and at the end of Rev.12 reveal that some of Christ's elect will give a TESTIMONY FOR JESUS AGAINST THE BEAST at the very END of this world (for the "great tribulation" time).

Rev 6:9-11
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, "How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?"

11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
KJV


Mark 13:9-13
9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for My sake, for a testimony against them.

10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.

11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.

12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death.

13 And ye shall be hated of all men for My name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
KJV

That is where you are right now, being prepared by Satan's servants to turn in some of your own... family that refuse to accept the false-Messiah that comes first that YOU will wrongly believe is Lord Jesus Christ. That is what your false pre-trib rapture preachers are going to get for you. And when Jesus does return to destroy that false-Messiah, like Apostle Paul showed in 2 Thessalonians 2, then you will be among those who will be in shame, wishing for the hills to cover you, and for the mountains to fall on you (Luke 23:27-31; Revelation 6:16).

you really are determined to try to survive the GT.

Get a bazooka and lots of ammo, because the sinners are going to take your manna if they can get past your 7 year divine force field.

 

[Truther]

You don't even know... what kind of time the "great tribulation" is going to be, nor just whom it will affect, and how. Your haughtiness is going to do nothing for you except get you in trouble with God The Father and God The Son.

By the way, do you believe Jesus of Nazareth is GOD?

Smart people look to their blessed hope to escape the wrath of God on the earth.

Silly people look to the wrath as doable.

 

[Truther]

That's just silly ideas showing you don't understand a lot... of English words. YOu'd have an excuse if your first langauge was not English, but somehow, I don't think that's true.

A metaphor is an unrelated, open ended story.

The Bible gives us signs that we easily understand the meanings.

Metaphor teachers are "the riddlers" of the Bible...LOL.

 

[Davy]

He did. You are spiritually blind to this Truth, Davy.

Wrong, Jesus had NOTHING to do with the events of Daniel 9:27, for that's about the "vile person" of Daniel 11 that places the abomination that makes desolate...

Dan.9:27
And he shall confirm the covenant with many, in one week: and in the half of the week the victim and the sacrifice shall fall: and there shall be in the temple the abomination of desolation: and the desolation shall continue even to the consummation, and to the end.
Douy-Rheims


Here is what YOU... wrongly claim Jesus Christ did during His Ministry, which is to say Jesus is this "vile person" that confirms that covenant of Dan.9:27 and ends the Jew's daily sacrifices and places the abomination of desolation. The confirming of the covenant is the "league" made with the "vile person" in the following...

Dan 11:21-23
21 And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.
22 And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant.
23 And after the league made with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people.
KJV

Dan 11:31
31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
KJV

 

[Davy]

Since when a covenant in Daniel 9:27 last 7 years? Do you not realize that the covenant of verse 27 has everything to do with God's plan for His People in verse 24? Nothing is said about an evil prince. Silly.

The silliness is those stupid idiots you are listening to.

The covenant made in Dan.9:27 is NOT about Christ's Salvation per God's Plan. That is an utterly STUPID idea, since Jesus made NO seven year covenant with the Jews. You cannot find ANY New Testament evidence of such a LIE. Jesus offered the Kingdom, and the Jews REJECTED IT. And that offer of Salvation and the Kingdom definitely would never... have been just for a 7 year period. That any believer on Christ would believe such a lie as that proves those they listen to pushing that false doctrine are the children of darkness.

I have already shown who makes that Dan.9:27 covenant with the Jews at the END of this world. It will be the "vile person" of Daniel 11, which is who ends the sacrifices and places the abomination of desolation IDOL that Jesus warned about in His Olivet discourse, quoting from Daniel 11:31.

 

[Davy]

LOL! Please read the Scripture carefully before you make false doctrine out of it:

May GOD rebuke your false words against me. And get ready, for His rebuke will be coming upon you. You can count on it. In Christ Jesus' Name, Amen.

Dan 11:21-23
(21) And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.
(22) And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant.
(23) And after the league made with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people.

Do you even know who is the prince of the covenant in verse 22? The league in verse 23? Who do you think they are? Who are the small people?

Show me what you know with Scripture.

What the "vile person" of Daniel 11 does is very simple, even in Bible translations like the KJV. All one need do is simply read and heed it as written.

The "vile person" is also called the "little horn" in Daniel 8:9-12 that magnifies himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice is taken away, the place of his sanctuary is cast down (i.e., his placing of the abomination idol in the temple per Dan.11:31). That "prince of the host" IS NOT LORD JESUS. It is the prince in place in Jerusalem as an ally that the "vile person" makes the "league" of Dan.11 with, which is that confirming of the covenant of Dan.9:27.

So is Jesus that "little horn" of Daniel 8:9-12 that ends the daily sacrifices and places the abomination of desolation idol in the temple?

God forbid, NO, of course not, that's NOT about Jesus, as you were already shown that "little horn" is about the final Antichrist that comes at the END of the world, which is what Daniel is being shown regarding that false one in the Daniel 7 and 8 chapters.

 

[Davy]

Where does it say in Scripture that it has tso do with the re-establishing of physical sacrifice? Show me the chapter and verse. And no you got wrong Jerusalem. Do you not realize that the church is spiritually Jersualem, the city of Light in the New Testament? Sigh!

The Daniel 70 weeks prophecy is NOT about Christ's Church (except the final cleansing of the temple once Jesus returns); it is about Daniel's people and JERUSALEM, as written at the beginning of the 70 weeks prophecy in Daniel 9:24.

Will it affect Christ's Church in Jerusalem for the end? Yes, of course, as the "great tribulation" by that coming "vile person" (final Antichrist) will be world-wide, over all... nations, as Rev.13:4-8 does reveal. But the 70 weeks prophecy is 'specific' to Jerusalem and her people, the Jews.

Thus your attempt to bring ideas about the 'new Jerusalem' into this prophecy in Daniel 9 and 11 is vanity. The ONLY pointer to the 'new Jerusalem', which begins ONLY with Christ's future return, is the idea about the cleansing of the temple that Jesus will do when He returns. That is the final event given in the 70 weeks prophecy in Dan.9:24, and Dan.8:14, and in Dan.12.

No, the vile person is Satan working through men in God's congregation, the league! Not your one antichrist fantasy.

I am not deceived about Satan's role for the END. He is coming to earth, IN PERSON, to play GOD, as the Book of Revelation does reveal, for Satan is that "dragon" which Rev.13:4-8 says the whole world (except Christ's elect) will worship.

And God's parable about Satan using the "king of Tyrus" in Ezekiel 28 as a 'type' for Satan, reveals Satan's final doom upon the earth with God bringing a fire within him that will turn Satan to ashes, and it says UPON THE EARTH in sight of those who see him.

So nah... none of that Satan only will work through a flesh Antichrist at the end stupidity of men's doctrines, which is nothing but another false teaching about the end from the children of darkness that have crept into many pulpits today.

And many believing brethren not understanding this point amazes me, because what flesh-born man ever ASCENDS OUT OF THE BOTTOMLESS PIT OF HELL? That's about Satan only, even as the word perdition in Greek is one of his titles, per Rev.9.

Satan is coming to earth, with his angels, in plain sight, as shown in the Rev.12:7-9 Scripture, and it is specific in that Scripture that no place in Heaven will then be found for them when they lose that war in Heaven. Well, how many dimensions of existence are there per God's Word? Only TWO, this earthly dimension we live in, and the Heavenly dimension where God and His angels dwell, and also where the abode of hell is but in a place of separation away from God (Luke 16). Thus when Satan and his are booted down to this earth like that Rev.12 Scripture says, that means here upon this earth, literally, in our dimension. And that is why the majority on earth will WONDER AT THE BEAST, for they won't really know who he is (Rev.17:8).

Most of my Christian brethren today don't even know Satan will literally be the final Antichrist on earth at the END, and not some flesh born man. Evidently, you are one of them that's still deceived about this.

 

[Davy]

Where does it say in Scripture that it has tso do with the re-establishing of physical sacrifice? Show me the chapter and verse.

The mere Biblical FACT that Jesus forewarned His Church in Jerusalem about the "abomination of desolation" from Daniel 11:31 setup by the "vile person" at the END of this world reveals the re-establishment of the old covenant by the unbelieving Jews in JERUSALEM in the middle east, to include... the sacrifices which were part of old covenant temple worship. So that means the Orthodox Jews in Jerusalem for the END will build another temple there and re-establish old covenant worship. And those unbelieving Jews in Jerusalem that still reject Jesus of Nazareth as Messiah already have the materials to build their new stone temple.

Thus the temple worship with old covenant sacrifices by the Jews in JERUSALEM for the END is a REQUIREMENT to fulfill the "abomination of desolation" prophecy that Jesus quoted from Daniel 11:31 and Daniel 9:27. There is your Biblical proof you requested.

 

[Davy]

What teachers? I did not get the Truth from them. I get it from Scripture itself by studying it.

I get the Truth from The Father and The Son via The Holy Spirit, as Jesus promised His in the Book of John.

But are you going to tell me God does not 'call' some to be TEACHERS of His Word?? (1 Corinthians 12:28). It's each believer's responsibility to pray for understanding and CONFIRM a teaching from by our own study in God's Word via The Holy Spirit. I'm sure you know this, but you are just being obstinate like those Jews who strain over a gnat.

Boy, you do not get it. This is talking about MESSIAH THE PRINCE. The prince is Jesus Christ, not an evil person. The Jews of the Old testament congregation, per context, is the people of the Prince, Christ. They were the ones who Christ prophesied will come and destroy the temple which is His body, their congregation! Didn't you read the Scripture:

The first phrase, "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off" is the ONLY part of that Dan.9:26 verse that is about Christ Jesus.

NOWHERE in that verse does that "prince" (commander per the Hebrew) in the next phrase refer to Jesus. The one that did the historical destroying of the sanctuary and city of Jerusalem is about the Roman general Titus in 70 A.D. Jesus warned the unbelieving Jews about that coming destruction, but it was the Roman general Titus that was the 'commander' ("prince" - Hebrew nagiyd) over the Roman army that actually fulfilled that destruction.

Therefore, the verse 26 is talking about warfare within the Old Testament Congregation of Israel when Christ went to the Cross. This is the flood (overflowing) upon Israel of which at the end of it, desolations are determined. Don't be misled by the word, "flood," it's meaning can be seen in verses such as Isaiah 8:8, or Daniel 11:10. A excellent verse to get a feel for what it means in Daniel 11:26.

NOPE, why have you REJECTED the very first phrase of that Dan.9:26 verse about Messiah being "cut off", which was about Christ's crucifixion? That revealed the END of the 69th week of the Dan.9:24 prophecy. The KJV translators even provided a (:) at the end of that phrase to show a change in subject. Why would they do that? It's because they recognized Jesus being cut off with the ending of that 69th week...

Dan 9:26
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
KJV


Furthermore, the Dan.11:26 verse you quoted BY ITSELF is taking that verse out of its context there. You MUST include the Dan.11:25 verse with that 26th verse, as the "king of the south" is NOT the "vile person" and his army...

Dan 11:25-26
25 And he shall stir up his power and his courage against the king of the south with a great army; and the king of the south shall be stirred up to battle with a very great and mighty army; but he shall not stand: for they shall forecast devices against him.
26 Yea, they that feed of the portion of his meat shall destroy him, and his army shall overflow: and many shall fall down slain.
KJV

That Dan.11:26 verse is about the "king of the south" of the previous Dan.11:25 verse, and is not the "vile person" and his army. The "vile person" of Dan.11 that becomes the Antichrist false king over Israel at Jerusalem for the END, we are not told there HOW he comes to his end, as Daniel 11:45 reveals.

 

[Davy]

When the Bible talks about an army, war, and the flood or overflowing. This is what is in view! It means it is a great overflowing army in THIS war. The armies are those who fought against Christ, and to the end of the war, they are left desolate and cut off, but to the remnant, he returns with Mercies. God did not talk about Romans or the army of the Antichrist. He is talking about His congregation, the army of God.

Nah..., you have completely MISSED the subject of the "water as a flood" metaphor that comes out of the serpent's MOUTH per the Rev.12:15 Scripture.

That ain't about no army. It's about that "water as a flood" out of Satan's MOUTH being LIES he uses against God's people at the END of this world.

That... is how Satan and the locust army attacks the saints in the last days during the "great tribulation". You do... realize that what comes out of one's MOUTH is about WORDS, right? In Satan's case, as "that old serpent", it means LIES designed to cause deception. THAT... is what the main working during the coming "great tribulation" is going to be about. The whole world worship will worship him as that "dragon", as written in Rev.13:4-8. He will accomplish that by the great signs and wonders and miracles he will do on earth in the sight of men, and by the LIES that come out of his MOUTH, the locust army of Rev.9 helping in that.

Was there war at the cross? Indeed there was. When the Bible says that they were all against Christ, that is War. To be at enmity against Christ, is to be at war with Him. Just as to be reconciled in Christ, is to be at Peace with Him. The Flood is the overwhelming or overflowing of those who came against Christ. There was none that stood with Him. We see this in Messianic Psalms, such as:

I've already referred to God's use of the waters as a flood metaphor, including passages in the Old Testament prophets linked to the "day of the Lord", which is the day of Christ's future coming per Apostles Paul and Peter in 1 Thess.5 and 2 Peter 3:10. So if you REFUSE to grasp that point about the Antichrist (serpent) also coming in with "water as a flood" (Rev.12:15), then you are only deceiving yourself away from that point of warning for the Church in God's written Word.

The rest of your post is only your vanity on some Scriptures by your changing their context, and instead trying to apply philosophical wanderings to try and reject Christ's future LITERAL KINGDOM TO COME AT HIS FUTURE RETURN.

Christ's 1st coming was to be meek as a Lamb, to present Himself as the Perfect Sacrifice for one and all time. Yet as He said in John 18:36, His Kingdom is NOT of this present world time. So if... you think Christ's literal Kingdom is already established today on earth, then that shows you don't really understand what this present world is about, and what is coming at the end when Satan and his host of angels arrive here on earth at the END. Christ's KINGDOM OF THE SPIRIT only is manifest on earth today, through His faithful Church. His future literal Kingdom is not yet today.

When Jesus returns this next time, His 2nd coming, for that is all that is written, just 2 comings by Christ Jesus, at that future 2nd coming is when He will establish HIS LITERAL KINGDOM upon this earth and reign over ALL nations on this earth for a 1,000 years, and that is when ALL His enemies will be made His footstool and they ALL will bow to Him as KING and LORD. All of this is taught in both The Old Testament Books and The New Testament Books.

 

[Davy]

Nothing in Scripture was talking about spare vessel of oil. Those with enough oil do show forth the light when the signs of the midnight cry is made hearalding his coming. The foolish virgins (professed Christians) lack the oil for the light, that they m ight see in the darkness. And it is very dark. here is the thing, it is not a sign not to know, but it is a sin to reject and refuse to receive the love of the truth.

Already you show you REJECT what Jesus said in that Matthew 25 parable of the ten virgins. All ten had the OIL in their lamps. This is not up for debate, as I already showed what the Matthew 25:7-8 verse reveal that the 5 foolish virgins also had OIL in their lamps. but it wasn't enough, and they also failed to bring a spare vessel of the OIL like the 5 wise virgins did.

The whole parable is about those who listen to God in His Word via The Holy Spirit (the OIL), and thus receive understanding by The Holy Spirit, vs. those who instead rely on 'men' to save them by NOT trusting in God's Word for themselves, but thinking to rely on others for their Salvation (thus their going to the market to try and buy The Holy Spirit).

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The silliness is those stupid idiots you are listening to.

The way you talk shows your incredibly high level of immaturity. You have no control over your anger and emotions. You come across as being unhinged. Such a person can't hope to learn from the Holy Spirit. You are tossed around back and forth by your pride and your emotions. Drop the tough guy act and ask God to help you be humble and stable and then you can learn something.

 

[Davy]

The way you talk shows your incredibly high level of immaturity. You have no control over your anger and emotions. You come across as being unhinged. Such a person can't hope to learn from the Holy Spirit. You are tossed around back and forth by your pride and your emotions. Drop the tough guy act and ask God to help you be humble and stable and then you can learn something.

You talk like a baby child that simply has never... been out in the real world.

I'm a U.S. Vietnam era veteran having served as an B-52D crew chief mostly overseas in many... different countries, and worked on many other aircraft in the USAF inventory. I also have a college education in Aerospace Admin., and have worked in the aviation industry for most of my life, as both an outside machinist and as a lead man over a working aircraft engine test crew. I have worked on and tested the majority of military jet engines in the U.S. military inventory.

And I was raised in a mainstream Christian Church, but I was not baptized until I turned 40. That is when God put The Holy Spirit in me that drove me to study all His Word line upon line, chapter by chapter.

So if I seem a little 'tough', it's because that is what real military training gives serious 'men', and... being a chief over a crew, working on very dangerous equipment that can get people hurt or killed, then that will bring that out in a person, ESPECIALLY with the weak mockers who have a problem with authority!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You talk like a baby child that simply has never... been out in the real world.

LOL. Unsurprising nonsensical response. Acting as if you know me. Putting yourself equal to God. You need to humble yourself, boy.

I'm a U.S. Vietnam era veteran having served as an B-52D crew chief mostly overseas in many... different countries, and worked on many other aircraft in the USAF inventory. I also have a college education in Aerospace Admin., and have worked in the aviation industry for most of my life, as both an outside machinist and as a lead man over a working aircraft engine test crew. I have worked on and tested the majority of military jet engines in the U.S. military inventory.

Thank you for your service, but you are very clearly quite proud of yourself, but a Christian should be humble. You need to humble yourself. That is a fact.

And I was raised in a mainstream Christian Church, but I was not baptized until I turned 40. That is when God put The Holy Spirit in me that drove me to study all His Word line upon line, chapter by chapter.

Do you think I haven't done that? I have. So, enough of the holier than thou act. Stop acting spiritually superior to everyone and humble yourself already, boy!

So if I seem a little 'tough',

You seem insecure, which explains the tough guy ACT.

it's because that is what real military training gives serious 'men', and... being a chief over a crew, working on very dangerous equipment that can get people hurt or killed, then that will bring that out in a person, ESPECIALLY with the weak mockers who have a problem with authority!

Is understanding scripture based on being a tough man? Can women not understand scripture then? Can only those who have been in the military understand scripture, little boy? Is that what you think, little Davy? You remind me of this, but you should be beyond this by now:

1 Corinthians 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. 2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. 3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

I can't talk to you, Davy, "as unto spiritual" because you are carnal. You are still a babe in Christ. You show it with your extreme immaturity in almost every post you make.

 

[Timtofly]

The different groups of saints of verse 4:
1. "souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus,"
2. "and for the word of God,"
3. "and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands,"

You will be beheaded, or take the mark. Those are the only two choices in that verse.

There are no fence sitters who do not have to choose either way.

The Atonement is taken away. No one can accept Salvation. That is the whole point of Abomination of Desolation. Either you take the mark, or you chop off your head. There is no third choice or option as you put it.

All three were beheaded in your 3 group scenario. The word "witness" is the Greek word that is the source of the word martyr. They were beheaded because they obeyed the word of God. They were beheaded because they chose not to worship Satan, nor reject God, and get the mark.

You are failing to understand that receiving the mark is a spiritual act between each individual and God. God removes one's name from the Lamb's book of life, and places a spiritual mark on them declaring that soul removed from the Lamb's book of life. This mark and being in the Lamb's book of life go hand in hand with each other.

Satan does not place the mark on people. Satan forces people to receive the mark. Meaning the mark comes from a third party besides each individual and Satan's empire. That third party is God. Humans during Satan's 42 months receive the mark directly from God, as only God can remove a person's name from the Lamb's book of life.

42 months is not 7 years. These 42 months are not the last half of 7 years. These 42 months exist after God declares time is supposed to be over. It is 3.5 years of God's extended grace to those who will chop off their heads as a direct testimony to God. It is not time extended to the church to see if they can endure. The church was removed prior to Jesus and the angels being on the earth for the final harvest. Time may be extended after the final harvest is declared complete.

This declaration (of extended time) is given in the midst of the week of days of the 7th Trumpet sounding.