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[Ritajanice]

Sadly with all the corruption that has flooded the body of Christ, there are at times we have to search out a persons meaning!

Amen , Brother.

 

[face2face]

"If you'd accept what I'm saying, you won't be self-deluded!"

Emptiness.

Much love!

How did you go? Do you understand how the Law of Sin and Death was overcome in the body of our Lord? Can you speak to the Victory in the same terms as the Apostle Paul?

F2F

 

[One 2 question]

no matter how I feel or think, I must depend on what god has written for teh truth, even if it is a hard saying.

I'm assuming you are refering to the bible when you say, what God has written. So you are saying, I must depend on the bible for the truth?

Surely you aren't that short sighted to think that our Creators have crammed all truth into 1 book. Or if you do, this means that They are very mean that They are withholding further knowledge from us intentionally. That you believe They are now mute and have been for the past 2000 years. This is ridiculous, don't you think?

 

[Rockerduck]

I'm assuming you are refering to the bible when you say, what God has written. So you are saying, I must depend on the bible for the truth?

Surely you aren't that short sighted to think that our Creators have crammed all truth into 1 book. Or if you do, this means that They are very mean that They are withholding further knowledge from us intentionally. That you believe They are now mute and have been for the past 2000 years. This is ridiculous, don't you think?

No matter what word of knowledge that a person has extraneously from the Bible, like a Prophet, It must be verified by God's word, not separate from it. Every vision or dream I've had, has a founding verse in the Bible.

 

[Oneoff]

I blatantly cherry pick what I trust God's Holy Spirit to implant in my heart.
And He sure doesn't implant the dreaded belief that the vast majority of universal mankind past present and future (including those who never see a Bible or hear what we call "The Gospel message" by reason of premature death, geographic isolation, or mental deficiency,) will spend eternity in Hellfire as a result of things beyond their control.
Predestination to Hellfire ? Does God's Holy Spirit implant that in you heart?

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

I blatantly cherry pick what I trust God's Holy Spirit to implant in my heart.
And He sure doesn't implant the dreaded belief that the vast majority of universal mankind past present and future (including those who never see a Bible or hear what we call "The Gospel message" by reason of premature death, geographic isolation, or mental deficiency,) will spend eternity in Hellfire as a result of things beyond their control.
Predestination to Hellfire ? Does God's Holy Spirit implant that in you heart?

Speaking only for myself...No, but I am not a predestined believer anymore... and certainly not a cultish Calvinist....

And I implicitly trust what the Holy Spirit does for me and the direction He sends me in.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I'm assuming you are refering to the bible when you say, what God has written. So you are saying, I must depend on the bible for the truth?

Surely you aren't that short sighted to think that our Creators have crammed all truth into 1 book. Or if you do, this means that They are very mean that They are withholding further knowledge from us intentionally. That you believe They are now mute and have been for the past 2000 years. This is ridiculous, don't you think?

Well I am not talking about the truth of how an automobile works or how a plane flies or how a house is built, how to be a doctor etc.etc.

But the bible especially the epistles form Romans -Jude are all we need as New Testament believers to live godly lives and make sound godly decisions.

Then when we add the OT we get the complete picture of the character of God!

As Paul wrote:

2 Timothy 3:15-17

King James Version

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15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

I'm assuming you are refering to the bible when you say, what God has written. So you are saying, I must depend on the bible for the truth?

Surely you aren't that short sighted to think that our Creators have crammed all truth into 1 book. Or if you do, this means that They are very mean that They are withholding further knowledge from us intentionally. That you believe They are now mute and have been for the past 2000 years. This is ridiculous, don't you think?

Not to interupt but exaactly how would you know what was truth or not without the Bible?

I have always felt the Book was our Handbook.

I am not clairvoyant and I have seen what has happened to those who "teach" the trruth to their flocks who follow them blindly.

Jim Jones, Marshall Applewhite, David Koresh...

Give me a book to guide me and then allow me to study to show myself approved.

BTW... there is a lot written that the powers that be have deemed not biblically approve... The Gnostic gospels, Enoch, Dead Sea Scrolls.

There is so much that I would say God has inspiried... it is man who expletives it up

 

[One 2 question]

No matter what word of knowledge that a person has extraneously from the Bible, like a Prophet, It must be verified by God's word, not separate from it. Every vision or dream I've had, has a founding verse in the Bible.

But who said if God gives someone a word of knowledge, a vision, dream or imparts His thoughts by whatever means He chooses that it must be verified by the bible?

When prophets received God's words (His expressed thoughts) which was the first time it has been given to a human, how could it be verified by something God had never revealed before.

Why do you have the bible as your measuring stick? It is so extremely limited in its scope and content.

 

[One 2 question]

Not to interupt but exaactly how would you know what was truth or not without the Bible?

You're not interrupting. The simple answer is that God Who gives the truth also gives us understanding of that truth. How this happens is a mystery to me. Some say it is God's Spirit Who communicates the truth to our spirit that gives us an understanding of that truth.

The bible contains only a fraction of truth so is extremely limited. It is out of my context as it was written to people living thousands of years ago. I have the company of God in my context Who communicates with me at any time. I don't go back to find out what God said to others in the past when He is here right now. That would be me showing contempt to Him by neglecting Him. I won't be doing that my friend. That would be extremely rude don't you think?

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

You're not interrupting. The simple answer is that God Who gives the truth also gives us understanding of that truth. How this happens is a mystery to me. Some say it is God's Spirit Who communicates the truth to our spirit that gives us an understanding of that truth.

The bible contains only a fraction of truth so is extremely limited. It is out of my context as it was written to people living thousands of years ago. I have the company of God in my context Who communicates with me at any time. I don't go back to find out what God said to others in the past when He is here right now. That would be me showing contempt to Him by neglecting Him. I won't be doing that my friend. That would be extremely rude don't you think?

Let me clarify. I said

Rella ~ I am a woman said:
Not to interupt but exaactly how would you know what was truth or not without the Bible?

Perhaps I am not clear on my meaning..

With out the written inspired word of God I would find it extremely difficult to believe that
the "truth" which we all seeks would be imparted to us as "a word of knowledge"

There has to be a starting point. And for me that point is within the four corners of the Holy Bible.

Now... having said that I do not regard every translation out there as necessarily viable
because once a question seems to arise... for me... then I go to outside sources, which seeminglyu always come for my answers in remarkable ways. I would like to believe the Holy Spirit is directing me in my searches.

I cannot tell you the countless times I write a response to something on a forum and months, or years after I will stumble upon my reply and say to myself... "That sounds so good."... "But it does ot sound like me...."

But I know that the bible is necessary for that is where we learn basic truths such as these that I posted earlier today...

Matt 7:21

“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.

Matt 7:22

“Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’

Matt 7:23

“And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’

And most importantly...

John 6:44

“No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.

John 14:6

Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.

I personally have never been given a direct word from God. But I have been given understanding of what I read.

Blessings

 

[One 2 question]

Let me clarify. I said


With out the written inspired word of God I would find it extremely difficult to believe that
the "truth" which we all seeks would be imparted to us as "a word of knowledge"

There has to be a starting point. And for me that point is within the four corners of the Holy Bible.

Now... having said that I do not regard every translation out there as necessarily viable
because once a question seems to arise... for me... then I go to outside sources, which seeminglyu always come for my answers in remarkable ways. I would like to believe the Holy Spirit is directing me in my searches.

I cannot tell you the countless times I write a response to something on a forum and months, or years after I will stumble upon my reply and say to myself... "That sounds so good."... "But it does ot sound like me...."

But I know that the bible is necessary for that is where we learn basic truths such as these that I posted earlier today...

Matt 7:21

“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.

Matt 7:22

“Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’

Matt 7:23

“And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’

And most importantly...

John 6:44

“No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.

John 14:6

Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.

I personally have never been given a direct word from God. But I have been given understanding of what I read.

Blessings

Thanks. If you haven't heard God communicate with you directly then it may be best to stay with it until He uses it to lead you beyond it to Him Who it reveals.

Maybe like animals that have a kennel or pen where they feel safe. The more fearful the animal, the safer their pen appears.

But for those who want to go exploring outside the kennel, away from the well chewed bones to find other food, then I'd say go for it.

The great thing is that the greater the knowledge of the owner the greater the risks they will probably take.

My knowledge of my sovereign loving Father gives me, it seems, unlimited courage to go exploring because He is always with me because He is in me.

If people aren't confident enough to believe this then their faith in God will probably be pretty weak. I see them cowering away in fear from the unknown world away from the bible. These often try to warn others, projecting their own fears onto or into others.

I do the opposite, encouraging people to get into a personal intimate relationship with their Creators. This relationship seems to grow fast when one throws off their fears and go on an exploration with God beyond the very confined bible.

 

[Cassandra]

I don't go back to find out what God said to others in the past when He is here right now. That would be me showing contempt to Him by neglecting Him. I won't be doing that my friend. That would be extremely rude don't you think?

Are you kidding? So you don't read the Bible? You think it's outdated?

 

[One 2 question]

There has to be a starting point. And for me that point is within the four corners of the Holy Bible.

Was the bible Moses starting point of his broad knowledge of the Creators?

Was the bible Abraham's starting point for generating such great faith in his Creators?

Was the bible Job's starting point of his faithfulness to his Creators?

 

[One 2 question]

Are you kidding? So you don't read the Bible? You think it's outdated?

I haven't read the bible for a couple of years at least. Now that God has opened my ears so I can hear the Spirit and opened my eyes to see truth, why would I use the bible?

Why is not reading the bible in need of being questioned? Don't you have a personal direct relationship with your God?

I encourage people to just talk with their Creator. And then it's up to Them if and how They respond.

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

Thanks. If you haven't heard God communicate with you directly then it may be best to stay with it until He uses it to lead you beyond it to Him Who it reveals.

Maybe like animals that have a kennel or pen where they feel safe. The more fearful the animal, the safer their pen appears.

But for those who want to go exploring outside the kennel, away from the well chewed bones to find other food, then I'd say go for it.

The great thing is that the greater the knowledge of the owner the greater the risks they will probably take.

My knowledge of my sovereign loving Father gives me, it seems, unlimited courage to go exploring because He is always with me because He is in me.

If people aren't confident enough to believe this then their faith in God will probably be pretty weak. I see them cowering away in fear from the unknown world away from the bible. These often try to warn others, projecting their own fears onto or into others.

I do the opposite, encouraging people to get into a personal intimate relationship with their Creators. This relationship seems to grow fast when one throws off their fears and go on an exploration with God beyond the very confined bible.

No... I find you Aussies to have special communication powers....

Perhaps downline Aboriginal genes embedded within?

Yes... I do believe that

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

Was the bible Moses starting point of his broad knowledge of the Creators?

Was the bible Abraham's starting point for generating such great faith in his Creators?

Was the bible Job's starting point of his faithfulness to his Creators?

I would think it would be "In the beginning"..... wouldn't you?

 

[Cassandra]

I haven't read the bible for a couple of years at least. Now that God has opened my ears so I can hear the Spirit and opened my eyes to see truth, why would I use the bible?

Why is not reading the bible in need of being questioned? Don't you have a personal direct relationship with your God?

I encourage people to just talk with their Creator. And then it's up to Them if and how They respond.

Aren't we told to search the Scriptures? Aren't the Scriptures the way Jesus answered satan in the wilderness? Aren't we told to Study to show ourselves approved? Aren't the scriptures useful for reproof and correction? Of course you are familiar with these verses?

 

[One 2 question]

No... I find you Aussies to have special communication powers....

Perhaps downline Aboriginal genes embedded within?

Yes... I do believe that

Haha. Not sure about special communication powers. Only special divine powers to have communication with our Creators.

 

[One 2 question]

I would think it would be "In the beginning"..... wouldn't you?

There was no completed bible back in their day was there? I'm thinking only a fraction of what Moses had passed down to him was recorded.

Don't you think Abraham's God revealed himself directly.

And Job, didn't he and his God interact without a medium.

I'm thinking there was no book required.