Strength and Honor: Triumphing over Feminism

[Mink57]

That's a start. I recently heard something like 97% of abortions are for convenience rather than the health of the mother. It's way past time feminists came to terms with the consequences of their evil ideology.

I don't know about 97%, but I'm sure many of them are.

Then again, I wonder....Are 97% of those men who are having sex WANT to have kids?

Abortion doesn't begin at pregnancy. It begins at SEX...KNOWING that MOST forms of birth control are NOT 100% effective.

 

[Mink57]

Another LOL?

You cannot grasp how being FOR choice contradicts being against abortion? Telling.

Show me where I said I was 'pro-choice'

Tick-tock-tick-tock...I'll wait while you re-read close to 3000 posts on this thread.

 

[Mink57]

LOL huh?

1st, this is an anti-truth. The EXACT OPPOSITE is true. Not too many headlines are Men and Children flee for their lives while the women stayed and paid with their lives so their families will survive. This is well documented in Jim Collins Women Can't Hear What Men Don't Say.

You're RIGHT! Then again, where did it say in human history that a WOMAN declared, "Women and children FIRST"?

Women didn't do that. MEN did. Those pesky patriarchal men did.

2nd, there are other measures to determine how abusive and women are than this. For instance, women are the primary abusers of children, starting with killing them in the own womb.

Oh, like MEN don't have a hand in that. Like there's no man EVER who said, "Pregnant? I don't want it. Get an abortion..."

3rd, so much for equality. You can't assert equality for women while simultaneously denying women are equally bad as men and be taken seriously.

Maybe because...they're not?

 

[Mink57]

Another LOL?

You cannot grasp how being FOR choice contradicts being against abortion? Telling.

Like I've mentioned before, one can be FOR a certain cause, yet not believe in ALL of points of their cause.
I am not FOR abortion. But I'm also not FOR men sexually harassing women on the street....date rape...unequal wages for the same job done....unequal education rights for women WORLD-WIDE...

Look at the big picture, Wrangler.

 

[Mink57]

I agree with this. Women can have access to resources without feminism.

I volunteered at a pregnancy resource center for years. Many feminists were against us because its a pro life ministry for crisis pregnancies. But that place did and does a lot of good for women.

Women organized and did a lot of good in their communities before feminism. They did not need any political movement to do so.

Seriously? The reason women are in the political arena is because THAT'S WHERE LAWS GET CHANGED.

The whole idea of women being treated unfairly in history didn't start in the 1800's. We only have so much history to go by, but even Plato recognized that women weren't given a fair shake. Other MALE writers came to women's defense after him. And some female writers also got attention.

If you've EVER worn PANTS in your life to go to school, or go to the office, thank FEMINISM for THAT!

 

[Wrangler]

I am not a feminist. lol

Again, not sure what the LOL is all about. I suppose you denying being a feminist is a sort of triumph over feminism.

Did I ever tell you that I raised 4 girls? 3 are nurses. The 4th runs a home for the mentally impaired. They've turned out to be solid wives and mothers. Very proud of them, I am. 2 married their 1st boyfriend. 1 married her 2nd boyfriend. What I am most proud of them for is making choices - like rejecting feminism - that have resulted in being happy. This, I wish for everyone - even @Mink57.

Oh because I don't support abortion makes me an anti-feminist?

Let me ask you a question: Do you support Female Genital Mutilation? Feminism DOESN'T.

So, if you don't, does that make YOU a feminist?

You can’t say feminism is about CHOICE, be against choice on abortion and claim you are for CHOICE, as you say feminists are. There’s a ci tradition there.

Regarding FGM, where are the feminists angrily marching in the streets to oppose it? Nowhere. So, I call BS on your claim feminism is against it.

 

[TLHKAJ]

Oh, like MEN don't have a hand in that. Like there's no man EVER who said, "Pregnant? I don't want it. Get an abortion..."

Yes, they do have a huge hand in this. Child abusers, traffickers, rapists, often will force a girl to get an abortion. And places like "planned parenthood" does the job and doesn't report the abuse. In my case, it was done by cult "doctors" (like Michael Aquino) ...in a legit medical setting. Michael Aquino wasn't a "doctor" but he trained ...or was a top "disciple" of Joseph Mengele.

 

[TLHKAJ]

Again, not sure what the LOL is all about. I suppose you denying being a feminist is a sort of triumph over feminism.

You keep insinuating that I am. I am a woman and I am feminine and I do believe in women's rights. I advocate for women and children (and men, if they ever present themselves) who are trauma survivors.

 

[Wrangler]

I am not a feminist. lol

Again, not sure what the LOL is all about. I suppose you denying being a feminist is a sort of triumph over feminism.

Did I ever tell you that I raised 4 girls? 3 are nurses. The 4th runs a home for the mentally impaired. They've turned out to be solid wives and mothers. Very proud of them, I am. 2 married their 1st boyfriend. 1 married her 2nd boyfriend. What I am most proud of them for is making choices - like rejecting feminism - that have resulted in being happy. This, I wish for everyone - even @Mink57.

 

[Wrangler]

You keep insinuating that I am.

It is implied because of what you don't write about, how you triumphed over feminism.

 

[TLHKAJ]

It is implied because of what you don't write about, how you triumphed over feminism.

I never was a feminist, so triumphing over it wasn't an issue. Why don't you actually read what I share of my mindset from childhood as well as how I conducted myself in the home, marriage, etc.?

If your idea of a "non-feminist" is a woman who doesn't speak out. That is not based in truth. I will speak out on things I know to be true. I believe that is what irks you. And that I don't follow after Trump.

If you're looking for me to submit to YOU to prove I'm not a feminist, look elsewhere. I think you'll find it easily somewhere else on this forum. You are not my husband, nor my God.

 

[Wrangler]

If your idea of a "non-feminist" is a woman who doesn't speak out. That is not based in truth.

After 146 pages you are bringing into question what the evil ideology of feminism even is?!

Wynona speaks out and is not a feminist. Mink has written in opposition to ‘radical feminism’ even if unwilling to define that. Seems you and mink reject the feminist sacrament of abortion. That’s a good start.

Did you read my post about my wife spending 7 hours at the hospital Saturday and was paying for it Sunday? Have you researched the psychological phenomena of Hurried Women Syndrome?

 

[Mink57]

Again, not sure what the LOL is all about. I suppose you denying being a feminist is a sort of triumph over feminism.

Did I ever tell you that I raised 4 girls? 3 are nurses. The 4th runs a home for the mentally impaired. They've turned out to be solid wives and mothers. Very proud of them, I am. 2 married their 1st boyfriend. 1 married her 2nd boyfriend. What I am most proud of them for is making choices - like rejecting feminism - that have resulted in being happy. This, I wish for everyone - even @Mink57.

You can’t say feminism is about CHOICE, be against choice on abortion and claim you are for CHOICE, as you say feminists are. There’s a ci tradition there.

If I was still of child-bearing age and became pregnant, AND IF THE LAW ALLOWED ABORTION, I would choose NOT to have one.

Regarding FGM, where are the feminists angrily marching in the streets to oppose it? Nowhere. So, I call BS on your claim feminism is against it.

My goodness, Wrangler. Is that your solution to everything? Marching in the streets? A woman isn't a feminist unless she's marching in the streets for some cause?

All 193 countries of the United Nations committed to eliminating all harmful practices, such as child, early and forced marriage and female genital mutilation by 2030.

The following treaty monitoring bodies have all interpreted FGM as a human rights violation in breach of those treaties, with some including medicalization as well.

• the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women,
• the Convention on the Rights of the Child,
• the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights,
• the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights,
• and the Convention against Torture

Female Genital Mutilation (FGM) - Equality Now

Equality Now advocates for a world where women and girls have control over their bodies and choices. Female genital mutilation is a human rights violation

equalitynow.org

ALL of these treaties have roots in feminism. Feminism doesn't only support women's rights, but human rights, including the rights of the child and of father's. Changes have been made through the LAW and not because of 'marching in the streets'.

 

[Wrangler]

Feminism doesn't only support women's rights, but human rights, including the rights of the child and of father's.

Really?! What feminist group advocates for JPC, Joint Physical Custody, by default, making ‘child support’ a relic of a sexist past denying father’s reproductive and parenting rights?

I look forward to learning about this commitment to equality of father’s rights.

 

[Mink57]

Really?! What feminist group advocates for JPC, Joint Physical Custody, by default, making ‘child support’ a relic of a sexist past denying father’s reproductive and parenting rights?

I look forward to learning about this commitment to equality of father’s rights.

I don't know of any exclusive 'feminist' groups that do that. But I DO know that within the Father's Rights Movement, about 15% of the members are women.

Just like how some feminist groups can be highly antagonistic toward men, some men's groups can also be caustic toward women.

Radicalism in BOTH spheres.

 

[Wynona]

I remember why my Mom wanted me to go to college.

"If a man leaves you, dies, or abuses you, you have to be able to survive on your own."

I was never asked  if I wanted to go to college. I was always asked which college I would choose. My mom preferred that I go to a top tier historically black university.

I went to a couple university's and ended up with an associates in IT.

I wish I had skipped it all. I only went begrudgingly because I didn't want to disappoint my parents. I began struggling mentally there ---I didn't like being away from my family and then away from my future husband.

I think the middle class idolizes college and higher education. I wish I had insisted on finding my own way, perhaps working and living in some cheap apartment.

College had and had a lot of wacky non academic super left wing ideology. The atmosphere was all about partying and hooking up with strangers. I was the odd one out for taking class seriously.

I didn't care about a career---I wanted to be married young. I didnt know how to explain this. But I do know that I now believe I wasted my time. Id rather have started having kids earlier with my husband.

And no, Im not talking about all women. Im talking about me as an example that we are in a post feminist world where many young women don't think being a homemaker is a real option.

Im here to say that its a wonderful option because ideally, men and women are dependent on each other. Going home blessed our marriage because I had more energy for my husband and the home we shared.

 

[Wynona]

"If a man leaves you, dies, or abuses you, you have to be able to survive on your own."

An older woman told me I should have a university degree and three years of job training to survive in these cases.

I disagree. This is assuming a husband can't set up his wife well should he pass away. A good man can care for his wife way better than a boss.

There are so many government safety nets women have before they are left penniless on the streets.

I am not against women working or making money but many marriages fail because of careerism. Family is more important than career advancement and that goes for both men and women.

 

[Wynona]

 

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[TLHKAJ]

And no, Im not talking about all women. Im talking about me as an example that we are in a post feminist world where many young women don't think being a homemaker is a real option.

Do you understand that there are many women who also want to be married and have children, to serve her husband, and raise their (not just "his" but their) children well ...and yet, also have an education, a vocation, a career ...and can balance those well? I've seen it. I'm glad my daughters have good work experience, and are able to take care of the home, husband, and children. But they have options should life call for them to use those skills.

My daughters are pro-life, anti-abortion, pro-family, conservative Christians ...but they are also capable of earning an income if need be. I've seen plenty of women who can balance these things well.

@Wynona, your preferences do not make you better or more holy than another woman who is able to balance husband, family, and career... just like the Proverbs 31 woman did. I'm glad you worked through your personal roadblocks and are happy with where you are. That is wonderful! But it isn't more Biblical than a Proverbs 31 woman.

A woman who is not oppressed and suppressed will flourish in the marriage, in the home, in motherhood, and in career. That is the sign of a healthy and secure husband+wife team when the wife is free to flourish and contribute in the ways she is able. I get the sense that the Proverbs 31 woman enjoyed her life. She enjoyed providing meals for her family, and also creating fabrics, garments, selling them, surveying and buying a piece of land and planting a vineyard or garden on it. She obviously was very good at what she did, selling fabrics and clothing to buy a field. Amazing!