Strength and Honor: Triumphing over Feminism

[Wynona]

My fiance decided not to respond. To her it’s not worth it. She believes people will continue to believe what they want regardless of what she says. She has seen it in this thread when I have shown her the posts.

I will tell you that she calls me her ex-husband’s name 2.0. She said that I have all his good qualities and none of his bad ones. She did state to me that she absolutely does value what I bring to her life and appreciates it more than I can ever know.

I made her cry yesterday because I said to her that I know what to get her for Christmas, but I don’t know what type of that thing that she wants. She asked me to elaborate. So, I did. She had mentioned wanting a tea bag organizer several weeks ago. I told her that I want to get her one. She started crying because she said that I actually listen to her when she speaks and pay attention. She said it’s these things, these little things and big things that I do that show her that I love her each and every day.

This thread has just solidified more that we want to have an egalitarian marriage. We thank you for your concern Wynona, but we fully believe that it is what will be best for our marriage.

Again, I am not saying that egalitarian will work for every marriage, just as I believe that a patriarchal marriage works for everyone. I will say it again that all marriages are different and there is no cookie cutter way of doing them.

All the best to you

 

[Naomanos]

All the best to you

Thank you! Same to you!!

 

[Wynona]

"They're wrong to tell us (women) we can't have it all!"

You can. But at what cost?

Life is full of trade-offs.

A woman can be married, have kids, and have a full time career that required years of education. My Mom did all those things.

But there was a cost.

She was often tired and anxious, self-admitting to not quite being the Mom she admitted to wanting to be at times. Towards retirement, her mental and physical health declined. She is so subdued now. Not the vivacious funny force of nature I remember her being.

IShe wanted to give us opportunities and a good life so she worked to the bone to make it all happen and balance the priorities. But it was her the Mom herself being with me that I cared about, not the activities our family could afford.

What Im hearing today is that that all the risks and consequences are in the submissive homemaker's corner and not in the married career woman's corner.

And plenty of women will never put as much effort into balancing the needs of her family and a full time job as my Mom did.

Submissive homemakers risk being mistreated or cheated on by their husbands...just as every woman in an intimate relationship with a man (or even a woman) risks.

Her husband could pass away suddenly and face financial hardship and be in the same boat as nearly everyone in America right now.

But if a woman wants to have it all, she may end up like all the other women in my family... maxxed out on education and career with no marriage prospects or children as they get older. None of them claim to be happy with this. My cousin has vacationed all over the world with her own money and still wants a good man and children before she can't have them anymore.

Its hard to say who the delusions of feminism hurt more: women who are pushed to suppress their natural desires toward love and children for education and career only to find life getting harder and harder...

or men who are genuinely trying to adapt to modern times only to get disrespected, hurt, and abused anyway because the benefits of "equality" only go in one direction.

 

[Wrangler]

The Biggest Lies Modern Culture Tells Women

 

[Wrangler]

This story about Chelsea Handler shows the fruit of feminism.

She admitted to sleeping with half the men on a dating app and needs a new "audience," meaning new dating app. Also, she refers to men she does meet for a date as "auditioning." Finally, she admits the dating pool is drying up - men are losing interest in her as age works is stuff. She claims she is a threat to men but the truth is men don't find her worth the effort.

And her racism is revealed, refusing to date White men on a sick feminist principle. She says IF "we" apologize then we will be on probation for 6-12 months. What an ego! Very sad as she fades into irrelevancy.

 

[Mink57]

"They're wrong to tell us (women) we can't have it all!"

You can. But at what cost?

Life is full of trade-offs.

A woman can be married, have kids, and have a full time career that required years of education. My Mom did all those things.

But there was a cost.

Men face some of the same trade-offs thinking THEY can have it all, too. Full-time career, a doting wife and kids (and at times, even a mistress on the side). Wives would take care of their husbands to the point of spoiling them so much, that men came to expect that treatment.

At first, men seemed reluctant to "allow" women to join the workforce. But they seemed to figure that there would be no problem...as long as she continues to cater to him, keep the house and tend to the children.

She was often tired and anxious, self-admitting to not quite being the Mom she admitted to wanting to be at times. Towards retirement, her mental and physical health declined. She is so subdued now. Not the vivacious funny force of nature I remember her being.

Women were already under a tremendous amount of stress as traditional wives, and most of them did not work outside the home. And, they still are. It's one thing to be under stress as a working single mother, but as a working mother with a partner who either does not or HARDLY contributes to the day-to-day management of a house/childcare, it's even worse.

IShe wanted to give us opportunities and a good life so she worked to the bone to make it all happen and balance the priorities. But it was her the Mom herself being with me that I cared about, not the activities our family could afford.

Interestingly, two of the BIGGEST end-of-life regrets that people (yes, that's men AND women) have, is working too much and not spending enough time with their families.

What Im hearing today is that that all the risks and consequences are in the submissive homemaker's corner and not in the married career woman's corner.

Not even close to true.

And plenty of women will never put as much effort into balancing the needs of her family and a full time job as my Mom did.

And you know this...how?

Submissive homemakers risk being mistreated or cheated on by their husbands...just as every woman in an intimate relationship with a man (or even a woman) risks.

Not true. Studies have proven that abuse is MUCH LESS likely to occur in marriages that are more egalitarian than in male dominated marriages (a.k.a. "Traditional" marriages)

Her husband could pass away suddenly and face financial hardship and be in the same boat as nearly everyone in America right now.

No, not "nearly everyone in America right now."

But if a woman wants to have it all, she may end up like all the other women in my family... maxxed out on education and career with no marriage prospects or children as they get older. None of them claim to be happy with this. My cousin has vacationed all over the world with her own money and still wants a good man and children before she can't have them anymore.

Or, she may not.

Its hard to say who the delusions of feminism hurt more: women who are pushed to suppress their natural desires toward love and children for education and career only to find life getting harder and harder...

It's not that women are being pushed by feminism into some "unnatural" desire for women to want an education and career. The desire for an education/career isn't as tied to biology as it is psychology. In other words, it's what men and women are cultured to believe. Just because a woman has a uterus doesn't mean that biology is calling for her to use it. Same for men, only for men, it seems to be more tolerable in society that if a man doesn't have a desire for children, it's not THAT big of a deal.

Even Christ said (paraphrasing) that not EVERYONE would marry (and consequently, produce children). He made no distinction between men and women about that.

or men who are genuinely trying to adapt to modern times only to get disrespected, hurt, and abused anyway because the benefits of "equality" only go in one direction.

Again, this isn't true. Care to demonstrate HOW?

 

[Mink57]

This story about Chelsea Handler shows the fruit of feminism.

She admitted to sleeping with half the men on a dating app and needs a new "audience," meaning new dating app. Also, she refers to men she does meet for a date as "auditioning." Finally, she admits the dating pool is drying up - men are losing interest in her as age works is stuff. She claims she is a threat to men but the truth is men don't find her worth the effort.

And her racism is revealed, refusing to date White men on a sick feminist principle. She says IF "we" apologize then we will be on probation for 6-12 months. What an ego! Very sad as she fades into irrelevancy.

Once again, you take a slanted video from ONE man about ONE "raging" feminist and apply it to ALL feminists.

Talk about making the exception the rule!!!

You say that men are losing interest in her as she ages. But what about the men who REDUCED her to nothing but a 'pleasurable' experience? And who look at women as some'thing' that is pleasurable...for THEM?

You keep touting about women not taking 'responsibility'. But what about you MEN who don't take responsibility?

It's the old catch 22. If a woman 'puts out', she's a slut. If she doesn't, she's a prude.

Tell you what, Wrangler. Why don't ALL of you men get together and DECIDE WHICH IS IT?

Meanwhile, women will sit on the sidelines, munching on popcorn, watching the show....

 

[Wrangler]

Once again, you take a slanted video from ONE man about ONE "raging" feminist and apply it to ALL feminists.

Talk about making the exception the rule!!!

Nope. Just typical, the opposite of an exception. I’ve pasted 100’s of vids on the rule, not exceptions. LOL.

 

[Naomanos]

Nope. Just typical, the opposite of an exception. I’ve pasted 100’s of vids on the rule, not exceptions. LOL.

Hundreds compared to how many millions of women who are feminists? That’s why they are the exception.

The few don’t make up the whole.

 

[Wynona]

And you know this...how?

I know my Mom put in more effort than usual. She worked full time, spent quality time with my Dad, my brother, and I, and kept the home clean.

Most of the women I know and used to be friends with may aspire to work a little or have lots of fun experiences but they know very little about having consistent work ethic, studying hard, or keeping things clean to any kind of standard.

My Mom is from a generation that expected certain things. She worked really hard to balance domestic and work life. I figured that was normal for Moms growing up. Unfortunately Ive witnessed a lot of terrible Moms since growing up.

Younger generations do not have the same standard. My Mom is a boomer, age 64/65. Its not the same today at all.

 

[Wynona]

Not true. Studies have proven that abuse is MUCH LESS likely to occur in marriages that are more egalitarian than in male dominated marriages (a.k.a. "Traditional" marriages)

That study you posted was from a website that had a clearly pro-egalitarian name. Im not really convinced by the statistic. Statistics can be manipulated really easily.

I have yet to see an egalitarian marriage that is

A. Happier than my own marriage.
B. Actually equal.

Egalitarian is the cope word for "the woman gets her way 90 percents of the time".

Good intentions are not the same as results.

 

[Wrangler]

It's the old catch 22. If a woman 'puts out', she's a slut. If she doesn't, she's a prude.

Tell you what, Wrangler. Why don't ALL of you men get together and DECIDE WHICH IS IT?

Meanwhile, women will sit on the sidelines, munching on popcorn, watching the show....

Competitive Feminism, the most evil form of this evil ideology, has not served you well. Your identity is wrapped up in being a victim, content to take no responsibility but feel comforted blaming men. Consumed with hatred and bitterness, it wreaks every post you write.

Sluts should be ashamed of the choices they made. Do you know that women can make the wrong choice, that sin is not an attribute that only applies to men?

 

[Wrangler]

Women were already under a tremendous amount of stress as traditional wives

Wrong. The EXACT opposite is true! Women in the West in the 20th century had it easier than any generation of women who came before. Since then, evil feminism has brainwashed them to feel entitled to EASIER. Now, feminists are spoiled rotten with self-imposed stress. Are women:

1. Strong and independent?
2. Victims of the patriarchy?

 

[Wynona]

Just because a woman has a uterus doesn't mean that biology is calling for her to use it.

That's exactly what it means.

Women can still be happy without children. Mine will grow up and likely leave our home one day.

But women should understand that the risks that come with lifestyles that push them to not have any before making major life choices.

I see all these movies now portraying the single life as this fun glamorous paradise with no dark days or lasting consequences.

The reality is that most women would gladly trade the freedom of singleness for fulfilling relationships if they could.

I am not going to stop my daughter if she wants to go to college and become a full time doctor or something similar. But I will make sure she knows that it is not a fairytale empowerment utopia. She must understand the risks and sacrifices involved with that choice.

I have no interest in controlling her life as an adult. But she will know that life is about tradeoffs you can accept, not just getting everything you want with no consequences.

 

[Wrangler]

Just because a woman has a uterus doesn't mean that biology is calling for her to use it.

That's exactly what it means.

Agreed. Feminism is so evil, it convinces women to act against their own interest! The happy women I know have children. In fact, it is their #1 source of contentment and purpose. Their faces light up when they talk about their children, and later, their grandchildren.

Not to say there are no exceptions but most women I know who did not have children deeply regretted it. They knew they missed out on the most important thing in life.

For mink to make this claim reveals how profoundly in denial she is living. To deny the biological imperative is shocking. That’s evil feminism for you!

 

[Wrangler]

Mine will grow up and likely leave our home one day.

I set the expectation early on that one day the kids would move out, close to when they were 18. If they went to college, they could stay for a few more years. Then one day, their mother and me might move in with them. Purpose.

 

[Wynona]

I set the expectation early on that one day the kids would move out, close to when they were 18. If they went to college, they could stay for a few more years. Then one day, their mother and me might move in with them. Purpose.

That's the strat right there

 

[Naomanos]

I set the expectation early on that one day the kids would move out, close to when they were 18. If they went to college, they could stay for a few more years. Then one day, their mother and me might move in with them. Purpose.

Do you think that doesn’t happen in non-traditional marriages?

 

[Mink57]

I know my Mom put in more effort than usual. She worked full time, spent quality time with my Dad, my brother, and I, and kept the home clean.

Most of the women I know and used to be friends with may aspire to work a little or have lots of fun experiences but they know very little about having consistent work ethic, studying hard, or keeping things clean to any kind of standard.

My Mom is from a generation that expected certain things. She worked really hard to balance domestic and work life. I figured that was normal for Moms growing up. Unfortunately Ive witnessed a lot of terrible Moms since growing up.

Younger generations do not have the same standard. My Mom is a boomer, age 64/65. Its not the same today at all.

Your mom and I are around the same age (I'm 66) and we both seem to have a similar history. I went to school, worked, married, had children and kept the house clean. I didn't see that as putting more effort than usual into anything.
And yes, I also witnessed terrible mother's. But they were terrible because of how they were treating their kids...and NOT because of how clean their house was or wasn't.

 

[Mink57]

That study you posted was from a website that had a clearly pro-egalitarian name. Im not really convinced by the statistic. Statistics can be manipulated really easily.

I have yet to see an egalitarian marriage that is

A. Happier than my own marriage.
B. Actually equal.

Egalitarian is the cope word for "the woman gets her way 90 percents of the time".

Good intentions are not the same as results.

You can easily look up the studies and stats yourself.

And while you may pride yourself on your own happy marriage, how many egalitarian marriages have you seen?

Part of the problem is that both you and Wrangler tend to take things too literally. An egalitarian marriages is not equal in ALL ways, ALL the time. For example, the wife may make one quarter of her husband's salary. But that doesn't mean that her voice in the marriage is less important. Decision making is a joint venture. Housework can be divided up...the couple can make a plan that they BOTH agree with, and the husband isn't opposed to doing ANY of it. He doesn't see home care as "women's work". After all, it's HIS house as much as it is HERS. And yes, there may be times when one person or the other can't do their fair share, and the other picks up the slack with no complaints.

And no...egalitarian doesn't mean the woman gets her way 90% of the time. Many men and women these days want an EQUAL partner. Shared responsibilities. Shared decision-making. If SHE wants Chinese food and HE wants Mexican food, HE doesn't get to have the final say, and insist on Mexican! They NEGOTIATE. Maybe SHE comes up with a third option. Maybe HE does.

In the long run, it all balances out.