Strength and Honor: Triumphing over Feminism

[Wrangler]

Problem is, too many men think like Wrangler. That homemaking and childcare is "easy."

Wrong. Calling work easy is relative to other work. Your ego is out of control and you always want your ego stroked.

I make dinner about 95% of the time. My wife made dinner last night. She likes to make a recipe every now and then that she comes across on Facebook. It was a tasty dinner, which we both enjoyed.

Point is, it is necessary work. At that time, I was relaxing. There are times when she has to unexpectedly make the routine dinner (not special recipe) when I am dealing with one civilization or house structure crisis or another to deal with.

The last time this happened, the hot water tank went out. I re-started it but it kept going out.

What I’m about to tell you might be considered a bit of a role reversal. About 5 years back her surrogate father unexpectedly died. She went to be with the family, who I only met a couple of times. I made 2 meals: escarole soup and chili. First, I had to buy the ingredients. I did not join my wife for nearly 5 hours.

So, in that case, I did the easy but necessary work while she grieved with the family. I could not do that difficult work for her. The whole family, including kids and grandkids enjoyed the fruit of my labor over the next few days.

This is effective teamwork done in love. Being a competitive feminist, all you have is contempt not getting your ego strikes all the time. It must be so tiring for you to carry such a big ego all the time.

 

[Mink57]

Be that as it may, the point is in the division of labor, there is relatively difficult and relatively easy work. Good men don’t want their woman to do the relatively hard work.

No, Wrangler. The point of the division of labor is that women didn't get a CHOICE in that division. MEN decided what the division would be, regardless of how women felt about it. THAT'S the problem. THAT'S why feminism evolved.

It's not "hard work" to vote. Or drive.

For some reason, feminists resent what is traditionally called women’s work AS IF it is beneath them.

No, it's patriarchy that deemed "women's work" as beneath themselves. Even YOU gave credit to building the infrastructures of civilization to men, while blatantly dismissing the contribution that women made....such as risking her life to have children, and raise them to be the men that would eventually contribute to building society.

All work is needed and all work has the dignity of labor.

Labor comes in various degrees. Whether a man is welding a beam on a building, pushing paper across a desk, or a woman is maintaining a home and raising children...or whether a WOMAN is welding a beam on a building, pushing paper across a desk, or a MAN is maintaining a home and raising children, really doesn't matter. Patriarchy used to tell women that they didn't have the capabilty to do certain jobs, and when women proved them wrong, patriarchy switched its tactics...to telling women that even if they HAVE those skills, they SHOULDN'T.

God gives each of us talents. God did NOT give the talent for doing complex math equations (for example) ONLY to (certain) men, any more than he gave ONLY women the talent for keeping a home and raising children.

 

[Wrangler]

This vid turns submission into a display of power to her natural place of being, nurturing, loving and helpful. Then the excuses not to follow Biblical submission is delved into. Great question posed. When did it come your goal to compete with, break down and emasculate the man you decided to marry?

The vid ends with a profound statement. When you respect your husband it brings glory to God's name. Wow!

 

[Mink57]

Wrong. Calling work easy is relative to other work. Your ego is out of control and you always want your ego stroked.

WHAT other work? WHO gets to decide what's "easy" work and what's "hard" work?

No sweetie. It's not MY ego that's out of control. I'm not the one touting about how MEN did this and MEN did that, and how women should be GRATEFUL that MEN did this and that.

I make dinner about 95% of the time. My wife made dinner last night. She likes to make a recipe every now and then that she comes across on Facebook. It was a tasty dinner, which we both enjoyed.

Yeah, and if a woman makes dinner 95% of the time, what happens? She's told, "That's your JOB!" Do you think that woman is getting any thanks for doing that? Nope.

Point is, it is necessary work. At that time, I was relaxing. There are times when she has to unexpectedly make the routine dinner (not special recipe) when I am dealing with one civilization or house structure crisis or another to deal with.

The last time this happened, the hot water tank went out. I re-started it but it kept going out.

Which is fine.

What I’m about to tell you might be considered a bit of a role reversal. About 5 years back her surrogate father unexpectedly died. She went to be with the family, who I only met a couple of times. I made 2 meals: escarole soup and chili. First, I had to buy the ingredients. I did not join my wife for nearly 5 hours.

So, in that case, I did the easy but necessary work while she grieved with the family. I could not do that difficult work for her. The whole family, including kids and grandkids enjoyed the fruit of my labor over the next few days.

Again, which is fine. But you DO realize that there are plenty of men out there who wouldn't lift a finger to make those meals, believing that the wife should either do BOTH (cook AND grieve), OR, just deal with cooking ONLY.

This is effective teamwork done in love. Being a competitive feminist, all you have is contempt not getting your ego strikes all the time. It must be so tiring for you to carry such a big ego all the time.

Teamwork IS egalitarian. Egalitarianism is what feminism promotes. Funny how you're so against feminism, and yet in practice, you're actually more of a feminist than you THINK you are.

 

[Wrangler]

No, Wrangler. The point of the division of labor is that women didn't get a CHOICE in that division.

So twisted that you take an act of love and turn it into hate.

God choose to guve women much greater burden of child rearing. Take it up with him.

 

[Wrangler]

Egalitarianism is what feminism promotes.

You keep repeating this lie, which I have exploded many times in this thread. Where are the feminists demanding equality in these 6 areas from Post #373?

1. early death,
2. sexist laws that make 10 of 11 prisoners male,
3. homeless and suicide whose rates are nearly as bad,
4. 9 out of 10 killed in war and on the job,
5. reproductive male rights ignored.
6. unequal parental custody?

 

[Wrangler]

The profoundly anti-feminist philsopher properly identifies it as Cultural Marxist in origin. It short, she says if you want to be equal, go be equal, don't petition government to pretend there is equality when there isn't.

 

[Wrangler]

The patriarchy is not due to power but merit. There should be gratitude from feminists for men who created and maintain civilization.

 

[Mink57]

So twisted that you take an act of love and turn it into hate.

DENYING a woman her choice is an act of "love"? Since WHEN???
When women didn't have the right to vote, it wasn't out of love. It was out of a patriarchal view point that women couldn't handle voting for STUPID reasons:
1. The mental exertion of voting would cause infertility in women. (False)
2. Women’s brains were inferior to men’s, and so women were incapable of participating in politics. (False)
3. The majority of women didn’t want to vote. (False)
4. Women would neglect their home and family, causing society to unravel. (False)
5. Women were too good for the dirty nature of politics. (False)

These were LIES that men held about women. Had nothing to do with an act of "love".

God choose to guve women much greater burden of child rearing. Take it up with him.

God didn't give women the burden of child rearing; only child bearing. Plenty of men who want to be involved with rearing their children...
...which, by the way IS biblical!

 

[Wrangler]

DENYING a woman her choice is an act of "love"?

It’s not her choice, it is his. And as a Godly wife, you need to respect it.

 

[Mink57]

You keep repeating this lie, which I have exploded many times in this thread. Where are the feminists demanding equality in these 6 areas from Post #373?

Wrangler said:

1. early death,
2. sexist laws that make 10 of 11 prisoners male,
3. homeless and suicide whose rates are nearly as bad,
4. 9 out of 10 killed in war and on the job,
5. reproductive male rights ignored.
6. unequal parental custody?

So, it's up to FEMINISM to solve those 6 (at a minimum) problems, yet it's PATRIARCHY that caused the problems in the first place.

1. Early death? Why hasn't more been done for men's issues by men? Why haven't MEN protested against this?
2. Sexist laws? WHAT sexist laws? The written law does not account for gender, even for a capital offense. IF a woman commits a crime that's equal to a man committing the SAME crime, with the SAME circumstances, then OF COURSE she should receive the same penalty! But that's not a feminist problem, as feminism didn't create the laws in the first place. It's the JUDGE (usually MALE) that has the discretion regarding sentencing. Take it up with your patriarchal peers about how women are viewed.
3. Homeless? Suicide? Once again, that's not a FEMINIST issue. Men don't often ask for help when needed because of how they've been cultured....by patriarchy. Men are 'supposed' to be tough...strong (minded)...except when they're not. WOMEN didn't make up the rules for how men are 'supposed' to be. Your patriarchy did that. The WORST thing that patriarchy did for men is to insist that they shouldn't cry...that they shouldn't have any emotions other than anger. To me, Jesus was the greatest man who ever lived. And yet, "Jesus WEPT."
You'd think that more men would take a cue from this short biblical passage, and yet...patriarchy.
4. 9 out of 10 men killed in war and on the job? Yeah. Hard to believe. Show me the stats.
5. Reproductive male rights ignored? I like what Rachel Green said on "Friends.": No uterus, no opinion! Frankly, I'm not even sure what "male reproductive rights" means. Men don't bear children. So....what? You want the 'right' to FORCE a woman to have a child that she doesn't want?
6. Unequal parental custody. Child custody laws, again aren't gender biased. There are a number of factors taken into consideration, and if you don't LIKE what's taken into consideration when deciding custody, maybe you should talk to your male peers about that.

Women didn't make the rules, Wrangler. THAT's part of the problem.

 

[Mink57]

The patriarchy is not due to power but merit. There should be gratitude from feminists for men who created and maintain civilization.

Again, MEN didn't do this ALONE. But you want to act like you did.

Why not give glory as a man to GOD?

 

[Mink57]

It’s not her choice, it is his. And as a Gofly wife, you need to respect it.

Bull pucky.
You want a Godly wife? BE a Godly husband!!!

 

[Naomanos]

It’s not her choice, it is his. And as a Gofly wife, you need to respect it.

That sounds an awful lot like misogyny/slavery. I don't read that in the Bible at all. She doesn't get a choice, the husband gets to decide for her. No, thank you, if that is what Christianity wants, I want out of Christianity. It's a good thing I don't believe for one second that is what God wants for women. Maybe the problem is not with God, maybe the problem is with Christianity and the men in it.

I don't think a Godly wife is what you think a Godly wife is, Wrangler. I mean, at least your version of one.

 

[Naomanos]

Again, MEN didn't do this ALONE. But you want to act like you did.

Why not give glory as a man to GOD?

All this ra ra men stuff lately really makes me uncomfortable as a man, to read it.

 

[Wrangler]

Bull pucky.
You want a Godly wife? BE a Godly husband!!!

It’s a covenant. Your responsibility is not dependent on anything.

 

[Wrangler]

Are men obsolete? From the Factual Feminist.

 

[Mink57]

Are men obsolete? From the Factual Feminist.

Ha, ha! Her first sentence is WRONG! AND YOU as a supposed 'Christian' should KNOW that, just from reading the Bible!!

Care to try again?

 

[Mink57]

That sounds an awful lot like misogyny/slavery. I don't read that in the Bible at all. She doesn't get a choice, the husband gets to decide for her. No, thank you, if that is what Christianity wants, I want out of Christianity. It's a good thing I don't believe for one second that is what God wants for women. Maybe the problem is not with God, maybe the problem is with Christianity and the men in it.

I don't think a Godly wife is what you think a Godly wife is, Wrangler. I mean, at least your version of one.

Spot on!!
Unfortunately, too many so-called 'Christian' men believe in this whole 'Wife Submit" garbage, while ignoring that we're supposed to submit to one another. And, they take the whole idea of "submitting" to a different level....one that involves abuse....
Wrangler has posted that 80% of divorces are initiated by women these days. He cites feminism as the cause.
But is it REALLY? Maybe women in general, are simply tired of the pompous attitude of some men like Wrangler's.
God gave women talents just like men. MORE than cooking, cleaning and child birthing. But...men like him, don't want to acknowledge that FACT.

 

[Wrangler]

Ha, ha! Her first sentence is WRONG! AND YOU as a supposed 'Christian' should KNOW that, just from reading the Bible!!

Care to try again?

Nope. While your pronouncements of right and wrong have been proven dubious with moral pole inversion, it might be fun to expand on how this 1st Wave Feminist is wrong in your opinion.

Dr. Christina Hoff Summers has written at least one book that I've read who appears to be truly motivated by equality and has looked at how feminism has morphed into a man-hating ideology, which kudos to you, you show with every post.