Strength and Honor: Triumphing over Feminism

[Wynona]

@Wynona,

One observation I made about these 2 vids you posted is the voice of these women. They are calm, at peace and know they are living a very fulfilling and satisfying life.

The tone of their voice is not angry, resentful, etc. Very striking.

W

The rat race is hurting us as women and men too to a certain extent. You can have a great life even if its simple if you know you are adding value to your loved ones and honoring your body's need for rest and a more forgiving pace.

I find homemaking to be challenging but also healing in it's pace.

 

[Wynona]

From the article:

"The systemic oppression of women and gender-based discrimination has deep roots in human civilization. As evident in both written texts and widespread practices, conscious and unconscious biases associated with patriarchy have been and continue to be interlaced with power struggles, control, and conformity enforced by the male-dominant cultures of the time."

"According to Walby, six structures-broadly termed the patriarchal mode of production, patriarchal relations in paid work, patriarchal relations in the state, male violence, patriarchal relations in sexuality, and patriarchal relations in cultural institutions such as religion, media, and education-perpetuate systemic patriarchy [19]. While these structures can be seen in the larger society, they are also seen in the familial unit, in which patriarchal tradition, practices, and ideals are vertically transmitted from generation to generation [27]."

Critical Overview of Patriarchy, Its Interferences With Psychological Development, and Risks for Mental Health - PMC

The systemic oppression of women and gender-based discrimination has deep roots in human civilization. As evident in both written texts and widespread practices, conscious and unconscious biases associated with patriarchy have been and continue to ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Only if the transgression is brought into the American (legal) system. Like I mentioned, many women will simply quit their jobs instead of going up against Corporate America.

Who do you think RUNS these institutions of America? Individuals. And in some cases, chauvinistic and misogynistic individuals. The chauvinists and misogynists don't all necessarily show their bias during work hours. But they might in an all male meeting...or an all male lunch...or an all male retreat...

Also, don't we refer to MARRIAGE as an 'institution'?

No, it didn't. AND, patriarchy isn't limited to who is the breadwinner. Patriarchy can still rule EVEN IF THE WOMAN IS THE BREADWINNER.

"...of THIS country." But feminism isn't limited to creating gender equity within the institutions of THIS country.

From the same article:

"It bears repeating that patriarchy is a fundamentally oppressive, all-pervasive system that permeates all aspects of life. The impact of this disruptive system is exemplified in the physical, emotional, financial, and socio-political realms"

Critical Overview of Patriarchy, Its Interferences With Psychological Development, and Risks for Mental Health - PMC

The systemic oppression of women and gender-based discrimination has deep roots in human civilization. As evident in both written texts and widespread practices, conscious and unconscious biases associated with patriarchy have been and continue to ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Oh really?

"Despite strides towards sex equality that have been gaining momentum for more than a century, the US remains a patriarchal society."

What is patriarchy? What does it mean and why is everyone talking about it?

Greta Gerwig's film, Barbie, has sparked debate about the patriarchy, but what exactly is it? CNN As Equals explains

www.cnn.com

This country is host to many immigrants. Immigrants come from all over the world...and bring their own patriarchal attitudes with them.

"Data shows that the US lags behind many of its allies around the world when it comes to paid parental leave, maternal healthcare, adolescent fertility rates, and, increasingly, reproductive rights. It also has a persistent gender pay gap, with women earning on average 82 cents to every dollar earned by a man in 2022, according to a Pew Research Center analysis. The data highlights that this gap has barely shifted in 20 years, and is worse for Indigenous, Asian, Latin and Black women.
Progress towards gender equality is neither linear, nor guaranteed."

Seems like the journey to "equality" is a neverending battle.

As long as men and women still make different decisions from each other, inequality of outcome will be blamed on patriarchal discrimination and used to make feminism still appear relevant.

The pay gap is directly tied to decisions men and women make in their work, not companies paying man more money for the same job position and hours. This had been debunked repeatedly.and broken down but feminists will keep saying it because they need the outrage to fuel their ideology.

 

[Wynona]

@Mink57

Is feminism's goal equal opportunities for men and women or equal outcomes/results?

 

[Wrangler]

I agree but what is TPTB?

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[Wrangler]

The pay gap is directly tied to decisions men and women make in their work, not companies paying man more money for the same job position and hours.

The feminist delusion is such that they believe the only reason profit motivated companies don’t fire all the men and replace them with lower cost female models is fanatical hatred of women.

Its so absurd but there it is.

 

[Wrangler]

@Mink57

Is feminism's goal equal opportunities for men and women or equal outcomes/results?

Communism with breasts.

 

[Mink57]

"Data shows that the US lags behind many of its allies around the world when it comes to paid parental leave, maternal healthcare, adolescent fertility rates, and, increasingly, reproductive rights. It also has a persistent gender pay gap, with women earning on average 82 cents to every dollar earned by a man in 2022, according to a Pew Research Center analysis. The data highlights that this gap has barely shifted in 20 years, and is worse for Indigenous, Asian, Latin and Black women.
Progress towards gender equality is neither linear, nor guaranteed."

Seems like the journey to "equality" is a neverending battle.

As long as men and women still make different decisions from each other, inequality of outcome will be blamed on patriarchal discrimination and used to make feminism still appear relevant.

The pay gap is directly tied to decisions men and women make in their work, not companies paying man more money for the same job position and hours. This had been debunked repeatedly.and broken down but feminists will keep saying it because they need the outrage to fuel their ideology.

Did you not read the legal cases that I linked where the EEOC filed...and WON against companies that have discriminated against women and paid them LESS than a man was making for the same work?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

@VictoryinJesus

I don't see a lot of women choosing to be homemakers around me. Maybe you might find this encouraging?

I like Kelli a lot. I find this video and this type of content encouraging because it inspires me to see the value of my contribution to our household whether it's financial or in other ways. I felt a lot of guilt about not working anymore in the beginning. Women like this really helped me see that I wasn't necessarily just taking the easy way out, but had a lot of potential to add value to my husband's life and the lives of other family members and the community with this lifestyle.

I appreciate you thinking of me but I really struggled with this video. First she is really young, vibrant, hopeful, and full of energy. I’d really want to talk to her in about thirty years.

Mark 10:45 For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life as a ransom for many.”

 

[Wynona]

I appreciate you thinking of me but I really struggled with this video. First she is really young, vibrant, hopeful, and full of energy. I’d really want to talk to her in about thirty years.

Mark 10:45 For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life as a ransom for many.”

Being young definitely lends itself to boldness.

But one of my favorite mentors is a grandmother with a very bible-centered online ministry. Lori Alexander is, I believe 64 years old with four children and many grandkids. She has become well known for teaching Titus 2 principles and embracing home-centeredness.

She is one of the first women I ever "encountered" with a homemaking background with no plans on pursuing education and career later in life to 'make up for it' or 'maximize her potential'. Home can be a place for that. This is my mindset now.

Are there risks to this? Of course. My husband could die suddenly. We have no life insurance at the moment. I may have to go into the workforce suddenly with a five year lapse in employment history, making my way with two small children.

But Im making the choice to be at home not because there's zero risk but because I know God will continue to have my back even if Elijah were not a factor. He won't allow us to simply starve on the streets because His name is on the line as my God.

TIf a woman chooses homemaking to be a burden, she certainly can be. I know some lazy ones unfortunately. If a woman chooses homemaking but lives in regret believing herself to be a burden, she feels how she feels, but is that reality?

Was freeing up the cleaning, cooking, and childcare somehow a burden because you could have brought in money? I just don't think very much of that logic. Families need more than just money to thrive.

I know that my husband would have an easier life if he did not have to work so hard to support ud. He has told me he does not want that easier life. He wants purpose. I could have chosen to be more financially secure through my own means. I am trusting him with that and ultimately God instead.

I was not able to fully invest in my husband and our marriage with all the obligations of education and career coinciding. Having one foot out the door "just in case" was something he could sense and it led to a lot of strife.

God turned even my worst days around for my good when I learned to trust where he was leading me wholeheartedly. God has placed you exactly where you are, choices made and all, for a reason and it is a good one.

Sure I have the bold impetuousness of youth but hear what I'm saying. You aren't a burden. And even if you were at some point in any way, God's mercies are new every morning. You aren't done yet. We need you. We younger folk. We need your insight, your walk with God, and your wisdom. Desperately.

Do not sell yourself short. We are struggling out here. As long as you are alive, your experience is the thing someone needs, perhaps someone in your family. Don't assume no one is watching your walk with God. Don't assume it has no effect. That is the enemy.

There are ways to get money but what we lack, we in this younger generation, is wisdom. Don't put yourself down. You are here for such a time as this. Help us! Where are the elders? The older ones with time to make to room for others and share their wisdom? The intercessors? We need them so badly. I need them badly.

 

[Wynona]

There is a lot of evil around us today. In the U.S, it looks like a dreadful economy, inflation, political corruption, civil unrest, and rumors of war.

What is my plan to deal with it? Am I going to glue my eyes to the news till Im horrified and stressed?

Should I go march against the evil?

What did God tell women to do? He didn't say march and protest. He said this:

3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;

4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,

5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

Titus 2:3-5

My plan to fight evil today is to purchase milk and daipers and to teach my 1 year old to pick up her toys.

I can't do much about political corruption or the economy. But what I can do is invest in my family line to keep them from succombing to lies and despair. I will not leave my post. I don't care who mocks me for not chasing after job security and status.

Noah was mocked too for spending 40 years building the ark. He saved his family. I cannot save the world. But my children can have the opportunity to surpass me in wisdom and moral excellence, passing that to their children.

My ark is our home, dirty daipers, and the faithful instruction of Scripture, my presence and example. No matter who comes against my journey, Im still showing up to build it.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Being young definitely lends itself to boldness.

But one of my favorite mentors is a grandmother with a very bible-centered online ministry. Lori Alexander is, I believe 64 years old with four children and many grandkids. She has become well known for teaching Titus 2 principles and embracing home-centeredness.

She is one of the first women I ever "encountered" with a homemaking background with no plans on pursuing education and career later in life to 'make up for it' or 'maximize her potential'. Home can be a place for that. This is my mindset now.

Are there risks to this? Of course. My husband could die suddenly. We have no life insurance at the moment. I may have to go into the workforce suddenly with a five year lapse in employment history, making my way with two small children.

But Im making the choice to be at home not because there's zero risk but because I know God will continue to have my back even if Elijah were not a factor. He won't allow us to simply starve on the streets because His name is on the line as my God.

TIf a woman chooses homemaking to be a burden, she certainly can be. I know some lazy ones unfortunately. If a woman chooses homemaking but lives in regret believing herself to be a burden, she feels how she feels, but is that reality?

Was freeing up the cleaning, cooking, and childcare somehow a burden because you could have brought in money? I just don't think very much of that logic. Families need more than just money to thrive.

I know that my husband would have an easier life if he did not have to work so hard to support ud. He has told me he does not want that easier life. He wants purpose. I could have chosen to be more financially secure through my own means. I am trusting him with that and ultimately God instead.

I was not able to fully invest in my husband and our marriage with all the obligations of education and career coinciding. Having one foot out the door "just in case" was something he could sense and it led to a lot of strife.

God turned even my worst days around for my good when I learned to trust where he was leading me wholeheartedly. God has placed you exactly where you are, choices made and all, for a reason and it is a good one.

Sure I have the bold impetuousness of youth but hear what I'm saying. You aren't a burden. And even if you were at some point in any way, God's mercies are new every morning. You aren't done yet. We need you. We younger folk. We need your insight, your walk with God, and your wisdom. Desperately.

Do not sell yourself short. We are struggling out here. As long as you are alive, your experience is the thing someone needs, perhaps someone in your family. Don't assume no one is watching your walk with God. Don't assume it has no effect. That is the enemy.

There are ways to get money but what we lack, we in this younger generation, is wisdom. Don't put yourself down. You are here for such a time as this. Help us! Where are the elders? The older ones with time to make to room for others and share their wisdom? The intercessors? We need them so badly. I need them badly.

Your post touched me. Your words may be the most encouragement I have ever received. You’ve opened my eyes to homemakers and wives and mothers. what I hear you saying is: don’t stand around and mock us, help us!

 

[MA2444]

There is a lot of evil around us today. In the U.S, it looks like a dreadful economy, inflation, political corruption, civil unrest, and rumors of war.

What is my plan to deal with it? Am I going to glue my eyes to the news till Im horrified and stressed?

Should I go march against the evil?

What did God tell women to do? He didn't say march and protest. He said this:

3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;

4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,

5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

Titus 2:3-5

My plan to fight evil today is to purchase milk and daipers and to teach my 1 year old to pick up her toys.

I can't do much about political corruption or the economy. But what I can do is invest in my family line to keep them from succombing to lies and despair. I will not leave my post. I don't care who mocks me for not chasing after job security and status.

Noah was mocked too for spending 40 years building the ark. He saved his family. I cannot save the world. But my children can have the opportunity to surpass me in wisdom and moral excellence, passing that to their children.

My ark is our home, dirty daipers, and the faithful instruction of Scripture, my presence and example. No matter who comes against my journey, Im still showing up to build it.

I disagree Sister. To a wee bit at least lol. You are able to come against political corruption and the economy and all sorts of the growing evil in our world. All you have to do is to understand that we wrestle not against the evil people, it is the evil demonic oppression of the principalities and powers behind the evil people who have led those people into deception. So a stay at home wife (or a retired guy like myself!) can come against the evil powers on our knees praying against them.

Gabriel was withstood for 21 days after Daniel began [reaying and Gabriel had to fight with who was names as, the prince of the power of Persia, remember. That's some sort of evil being that was over Persia, one of the chief evil spirits. Right?

Now think about it. I bet there are quite a few of those principalities in the world. So it's reasonable to assume that there is a prince of the power of the United States also! You could easily come against that evil spirit at home. The dark kingdom has rank just like the Lord has established rank in heaven. Not all Angels are Arch Angels! So there is Rank. The prince of the power of Persia might have been like the President or something with lower evil beings below him for the different localities.

I wonder which spirit is the General evil spirit of Columbus? And he would have Leutinants and sargeants and majors under him down to the ones who are over your neighbrohood, or my neighbrohood. Coming against these evil spirits that are all over the place influencing evil and sin to break their power. I think this is a form of Intercessory prayer?

Remember, the Lord has already won the victory, our job is to enforce it until He comes for us. So it seems to me that we can make declarations against these evil spirits. Scripture says whatever we bind on earth is boubd in heaven, so we can do this from home.

But stay clinging to the Lord because I think if one starts coming against evil spirits...you will draw fire from them and be attacked!
The Lord taught me one time that, many witches come against children of God and cast evil spells on them and stuff, which is an attack, and so we are to pray aginst those powers of witchcraft that are attacking us, or could be. You could have run across a witch in passing which picked up on the light you shine and didnt like all that Jesus stuff coming out of your mouth and so go home and attack you with witchcraft. Now of course you wouldnt even know that you are being attacked perhaps? But maybe a clue would be, things going wrong in your life?! Pay attenton Sister and watch for these things. And come against them in prayer. We have been given authority in Jesus name so are wonderfully equipped to enfore the victory to evil spirits, witches, witchcraft and higher evil spirits. The tongue is mightier than the sword.

In fact! You have a little one? Teach him/her to pray and teach them that we have authority in Jesus to tell bad spirits to go away!
Monster in the closet, under the bed? Most people say, it's their imagination, go to sleep! I say teach them to take authority over the monster and sleep well my child...
Good idea? I think so.

 

[Wynona]

So a stay at home wife (or a retired guy like myself!) can come against the evil powers on our knees praying against them.

No, you're right!. As my family would say, now we're cookin' with grease!

We fight not against flesh and blood...

 

[MA2444]

Did you not read the legal cases that I linked where the EEOC filed...and WON against companies that have discriminated against women and paid them LESS than a man was making for the same work?

The Lord taught me very well that it isnt abut money at all. You really could live without money.

You could literally sell all you own and give it to the poor and you would eat every day and be taken care of. I'm not there yet, lol. But I have noticed over the years that something always happens and comes through at the right time. It always does. It isnt a coincidence, or even worse, it's not me! (Lol). It's the Lord. It's a God-incidence. Form what I can see, only druggies or acloholics get their electric shut off or repossessed or whatever. They had the money and bought drugs instead.

It occurs to that, there is a very lot of security in poverty. Because it keeps one clinging to the Lord! So you dont need a raise. Just the Lord.

And we're going to fire that new mouthy woman for trying to take over the administration of the company and trade... and hire a man instead! (Lol)

 

[VictoryinJesus]

3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;

4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,

5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

I love your determined spirit. To me aged women has nothing to do with “age” as in a number, but experience with sin unto death until we all turn from it, turning unto: come unto the unity of of Faith, unto a mature man. Where “aged” and “maturity” go hand in hand to growing up in Him in all things, that the members, being many, lack nothing.

In scripture “sober” “not given to much wine” relates (Imo) to not being drunk but awake and sober, watching…to me to be sober is to be of not the spirit the world gives you of fear unto bondage again…but to be of the Spirt God gives unto you which is the Spirit of power, of Love, and a sound mind.

There is only one way to be discreet, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word not be blasphemed. “That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,..”
To me teaching the young women to “be sober” and “to love their own husbands” “to love their children” is first to teach women which husband do they serve? There are “two” husbands shown in Romans 7:2 For the woman which has an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
…key to sobriety, not unto the bondage of fear again(death)—but grow up in the Spirit God gives unto you, the Spirit of Power, or Love and of a Sound Mind. (life)

“Two husbands” one is made dead, crucified in Christ, that you may serve in Newness Romans how to teach the women to “love their own husbands” 7:3-6 So then if, while her husband live, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: (teach her as long as her husband lives, if she marries another she will be called an adulterous woman(oh Jerusalem which now is in bondage with her children)…if you fail at any part of the law, you fail in it all.) but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man. [4] Wherefore, my brethren, you also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that you should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. [5] For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. [6] But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
Two husbands served; in oldness of the letter…or that we should serve in newness of spirit … remember when Christ sits with the woman by the well and tells her to go call her husbands…
John 4:15-18 The woman said unto him, Sir, give me this water, that I thirst not, neither come hither to draw. [16] Jesus said unto her, Go, call your husband, and come here. [17] The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus said unto her, You have well said, I have no husband: [18] For you have had five husbands; and he whom you now have is not your husband: in that said you truly.

I get that sounds crazy. But you did inspire me. I sit around holding onto this message of who the woman is, who the husband is …what is “woman” or “Women” and why are so many verses turned sexual to serve as a way to hold pen and demean others to do the same mindset bidding of “as Lords over Gods heritage” instead of “as helpers of your Faith ?” To me that blows apart mens vain imagination that they also are not called “helpers” of the Faith.

2 Corinthians 1:24 Not for that we have dominion over your faith, but are helpers of your faith for by faith ye stand.

1 Corinthians 8:5-6 For although there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth-as indeed there are many "gods" and many "lords"- [6] yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.


I sit and think “what is the point” “why bother” it’s too big. It is too out of control, too deep, too Hard is the ground (hearts), too impossible …? I heard you to say “even if we don’t like it. Even if you think it will fall on deaf ears and not be received or go anywhere. “Help!” Tell us about “New Jerusalem” whom is “Free”.

I wish I could relate to you that I’m not an enemy. I’ve spent thirty-SIX years at home. I’m not saying to trash your family, or kids…no to me it’s the opposite. Key to seeing who the women are and seeing who is THE Man actually gives me hope for my family like I’ve never experienced before. When all the rest has failed. Brought shame and disappointment. I do have more hope now in my husband and my coming to be on the same page under
1 Peter 3:5-8 For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands: [there are only two —one dead, put off the oldness of the letter which kills…and put on, even Him who raised from, serving (this Husband) in Newness: sober, chaste, teach the women how to serve their own husband.
1 Peter 3:5-8For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands: [6] Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters you are, as long as you do well, and are not afraid with any amazement. [7] Likewise, you husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered. [8] Finally, be you all of one mind, (who really IS the captain of the ship? Not the voice of that man in the letter to that young girl/mother/wife…that is NOT the Voice of Christ who come not to be served but to Serve) having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous:

 

[Wynona]

Your post touched me. Your words may be the most encouragement I have ever received. You’ve opened my eyes to homemakers and wives and mothers. what I hear you saying is: don’t stand around and mock us, help us!

I'm really glad, Sis! Thanks for sharing and listening!

 

[Wynona]

I love your determined spirit. To me aged women has nothing to do with “age” as in a number, but experience with sin unto death until we all turn from it, turning unto: come unto the unity of of Faith, unto a mature man. Where “aged” and “maturity” go hand in hand to growing up in Him in all things, that the members, being many, lack nothing.

I am unsure but I hope this is right. Sometimes I feel like I am not the ideal Titus 2 type mentor because of my age and season in life. My children are still young, and I lack some of that "veteran status." But when examples are needed, I definitely don't feel led to dismiss my own. A lot of help is needed today.

As for serving as the free woman in the newness of the letter, I think I'm beginning to understand in the same mind as you. You are not dismissing the Proverbs 31 Titus 2 lifestyle. You are saying to do this under the unction of the Holy Spirit... not in a way of bondage. If this is what you are saying, I wholeheartedly agree. I could never just make myself submit with just willpower alone or out of fear. I had to lean on the Scripture's to feed my spirit and pray through crucifying the old man or the flesh.

The life of a Proverbs 31 style homemaker is not accomplished just in pure fleshly willpower. It is done in God's strength through the power of the Holy Spirit, in love, joy, peace, self-control, and other fruit that can only come with the newness of serving Christ by faith in Spirit and Truth.

 

[Wynona]

@MA2444 @VictoryinJesus Both of you have posted a lot that leave me deeply encouraged this morning. Thank you and God bless!

 

[Wrangler]

Truth in comedy

 

[Wynona]