Strength and Honor: Triumphing over Feminism

[Wynona]

I was homeless for about a year. I was NOT "thriving."

Let's say you were thriving. If you don't mind, what is that like? What kind of life is important to you personally?

 

[Wynona]

@VictoryinJesus

I don't see a lot of women choosing to be homemakers around me. Maybe you might find this encouraging?

I like Kelli a lot. I find this video and this type of content encouraging because it inspires me to see the value of my contribution to our household whether it's financial or in other ways. I felt a lot of guilt about not working anymore in the beginning. Women like this really helped me see that I wasn't necessarily just taking the easy way out, but had a lot of potential to add value to my husband's life and the lives of other family members and the community with this lifestyle.

 

[Wynona]

It IS illegal, and the courts hear cases like this daily BECAUSE some people still do this even though it's illegal. Murder and rape are illegal but, do you think that SOME people care? Of course not! They'll commit the crimes anyway because they believe they can get away with it.
And a lot of times, they DO.

Proof of this? Wouldn't it then profit companies to hire women over men if they could get away with paying them less for the same job? I guess it's time to provide evidence of the wage gap being a myth. It's been debunked a lot in my lifetime but I still hear and see it repeated everywhere.

Sex discrimination DOES still happen here in the US.

Of course both men and women experience this in the U.S. But we are not in patriarchy and there is no systemic oppression of women in the United States now.

Where is it? The criminal justice system where women get lesser prison sentences for the same crime? Colleges and universities where women now get more degrees than men? The laws that say a woman can abort her child without the father's consent, but should she have the child, he is obligated to then pay child support or face legal charges without being able to opt out?

 

[Wynona]

This is a good start. The wage gap is from the choices men and women make for themselves, not discrimination. @Mink57

 

[Wynona]

Strength and Honor: Triumphing Over Feminism Recap

• Biblical Patriarchy, with it's principles of delegated roles in marriage, male responsibility and obligation to use their strength for the benefit of others, and the value of women being at home has and continues to produce better results for society than now mainstream feminism has.
• Christianity and feminism directly oppose one another.
• Feminism is not purely interested in serving women. Many leading feminists who created the movement are trained Marxists who promote the State having ultimate power over people's lives and not the Family.
• Rejecting career-centeredness and the feminist vision of individual empowerment and female success in favor of Biblical Femininity, submissiveness in marriage, and being a keeper at home was extremely healing for my mind, body, marriage, and faith in the living God.
• Feminism has contributed to a lot of issues for men, including higher divorce rates, political and legal discrimination, the demonization of masculinity, and lack of purpose
• Feminism has caused a lot of issues for women including higher stress levels, increased mental and physical health issues that are directly stress related, lack of fulfillment in relationships, medical and psychological trauma from abortions, diseases from sexual promiscuity, problems relating to men in healthy and understanding ways, etc
• Feminism causes issues for children like...killing them before they're born and calling it "healthcare", increasingly pushing their needs off as a burden and inconvenience to financial security, simply being at the mercy of strangers for most of their lives because of absentee mothering, and less mental resilience as adults due to lack of secure attachment in the early childhood years.

We have demonized the word "patriarchy" so I'm using that term on purpose. Patriarchy is father-rule. The exodus of fathers from the place of honor and active involvement in homes is a defining issue of our time in the United States and other feminist-influenced countries.

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. No matter how bad it sounds to say that patriarchy is good and beneficial because of the culture we live in today, God's way's are perfect. The Bible says that women are distinct from men, yet made for them. We are the glory of man. Eve was to be a help meet and companion to Adam, assisting Him in the divine calling from God to be fruitful, multiply, and subdue the earth. They are both spiritual equals, made in the image of God. But Adam has seniority, being created first.

This presents a biblical pattern for marriage: the man leads and subdues the earth and the woman assists in all the things that he cannot do on his own. Women thrive, not by pursuing and envying the things men traditionally do, but by embracing the things we naturally desire as blessings and contributing the things men cannot do as God ordains in Scripture.

 

[Wrangler]

Further evidence of the evil of feminism. From Bill Clinton’s attempt to pin Laken Riley’s death on Trump backfires:

Bill Clinton on migrants: "Most Americans recognize ... we got the lowest birthrate we’ve had in well over a hundred years, we’re not a replacement level, which means we’ve gotta have somebody come here if we want to grow the economy"

 

[Mink57]

Proof of this? Wouldn't it then profit companies to hire women over men if they could get away with paying them less for the same job? I guess it's time to provide evidence of the wage gap being a myth. It's been debunked a lot in my lifetime but I still hear and see it repeated everywhere.

And I'll provide proof to the contrary.

The U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) enforces the Equal Pay Act of 1963 (EPA), which requires that men and women in the same workplace be given equal pay for equal work.

The EEOC has recovered millions of dollars for workers subjected to compensation discrimination and obtained significant injunctive relief to remedy discriminatory practices and prevent future violations:

The EEOC received 81,055 new charges of discrimination in fiscal year 2023, a more than 10% increase over the number of charges filed in fiscal year 2022. Between 1.5 to 2.5% of those charges are wage discrimination cases. The percentages do NOT include the number of cases of wage discrimination that were investigated...and settled before the case was filed in District Court by the EEOC.

The figures also don't include the number of people who knew they were being discriminated against wage-wise, but quit instead of filing a complaint.

EEOC v. Lacey's Place LLC Series Midlothian d/b/a Lacey's Place,, No. 2:22-cv-02161 (C.D. Ill. May 26, 2023) (gaming parlor chain resolves lawsuit alleging pay discrimination and retaliation against female workers)

EEOC v. Mechanical Design Systems, Inc., No. 8:22-cv-02463 (D. Md. May 9, 2023) (HVAC company resolves lawsuit alleging discrimination against female employees paid less than men)

EEOC v. Jerry’s Chevrolet Inc., et al., No. 21-cv-02464 (D. Md. Nov. 30, 2022) (Female employee paid less than male employee and then fired in retaliation)

EEOC v. Dell, Inc., No. 3:20-cv-03131 (N.D. Tex. Sept. 2, 2021) (Female IT analyst paid less than male for same work)

EEOC v. First Metropolitan Financial Services, Inc., 1:18-cv-177 (N.D. Miss. March 18, 2021) (Female bank manager paid less than males in same position).

EEOC v. AH 2007 Management, LP d/b/a Courtyard Monroe Airport, and Aimbridge Hospitality, LLC d/b/a Aimbridge Hospitality, LLC, No. 19-cv-914 (W.D. La. Feb. 3, 2021) (Hotel management firms paid male worker 38% more than his female supervisor and at least 60% more than his female coworkers)

Fact Sheet: Notable EEOC Litigation Involving Pay Discrimination

The U.S.

www.eeoc.gov

No Wynona, the wage gap is NOT a myth.

Of course both men and women experience this in the U.S. But we are not in patriarchy and there is no systemic oppression of women in the United States now.

If that's true then the EEOC may as well close its doors. The EEOC is there for a reason.

Where is it? The criminal justice system where women get lesser prison sentences for the same crime?

The SAME crime? The EXACT same crime? Do you know WHY this occurs?

https://www.npr.org/2020/02/26/809269120/federal-report-says-women-in-prison-receive-harsher-punishments-than-men

Colleges and universities where women now get more degrees than men?

Interesting. Women used to be prevented from attending college and getting a degree. And while women are getting more degrees than men, the men aren't being prevented from getting their degree. Women can't be blamed for that.

The laws that say a woman can abort her child without the father's consent, but should she have the child, he is obligated to then pay child support or face legal charges without being able to opt out?

I don't agree with ALL laws regarding child support so...

 

[Wynona]

Interesting. Women used to be prevented from attending college and getting a degree. And while women are getting more degrees than men, the men aren't being prevented from getting their degree. Women can't be blamed for that.

I didn't say that to blame women. I said it to support that we are not in systemic patriarchal oppression.

 

[Wynona]

The EEOC has recovered millions of dollars for workers subjected to compensation discrimination and obtained significant injunctive relief to remedy discriminatory practices and prevent future violations:

I see this as a big sign that we are no longer under systemic patriarchal oppression.

A company can  try to pay women less but the American system does not support it. There are individual chauvinists and misogynists around. Are they supported by the institutions of America today? No.

A Patriarchal system would insist on male breadwinners having a family wage. Feminism did away with that. Feminism has won the institutions of this country and mainstream media. There is no systemic patriarchy left to "smash".

 

[Wynona]

I don't agree with ALL laws regarding child support so...

LI looked more into the child support and custody issue. It's seeming like the corruption is a money issue primarily, but men tend to lose out as a result.

The law that men's rights activists complain about is Title 4D

The law provides matching child support funds to state governments. Ecen if it was meant to help families and children, instead it created an incentive for courts to favor granting custody to whichever parent was least financially secure, so that the other parent would pay a high dollar amount of child support, which is matched to the state.

Money is the end goal too often, and because fathers tended to have the higher earnings in divorce court, they have often faced unfair custody loss and are forced to pay alimony and child support based on Title 4D''s incentives.

Many fathers facing divorce may not be recorded as fighting for the children but that is because they are told it is pointless to even try fighting for full or even joint custody. Hopefully this is changing, as @Mink57 said.

This is my current thinking but I will continue to look into it.

 

[Wynona]

We are not in patriarchy land in America. But women aren't necessarily winning either. The state is winning. Government is our Daddy now.

 

[Wynona]

A lovely video on the value of service, largely in a homemaking context, that brought tears to my eyes.

 

[Mink57]

I see this as a big sign that we are no longer under systemic patriarchal oppression.

From the article:

"The systemic oppression of women and gender-based discrimination has deep roots in human civilization. As evident in both written texts and widespread practices, conscious and unconscious biases associated with patriarchy have been and continue to be interlaced with power struggles, control, and conformity enforced by the male-dominant cultures of the time."

"According to Walby, six structures-broadly termed the patriarchal mode of production, patriarchal relations in paid work, patriarchal relations in the state, male violence, patriarchal relations in sexuality, and patriarchal relations in cultural institutions such as religion, media, and education-perpetuate systemic patriarchy [19]. While these structures can be seen in the larger society, they are also seen in the familial unit, in which patriarchal tradition, practices, and ideals are vertically transmitted from generation to generation [27]."

Critical Overview of Patriarchy, Its Interferences With Psychological Development, and Risks for Mental Health - PMC

The systemic oppression of women and gender-based discrimination has deep roots in human civilization. As evident in both written texts and widespread practices, conscious and unconscious biases associated with patriarchy have been and continue to ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

A company can  try to pay women less but the American system does not support it.

Only if the transgression is brought into the American (legal) system. Like I mentioned, many women will simply quit their jobs instead of going up against Corporate America.

There are individual chauvinists and misogynists around. Are they supported by the institutions of America today? No.

Who do you think RUNS these institutions of America? Individuals. And in some cases, chauvinistic and misogynistic individuals. The chauvinists and misogynists don't all necessarily show their bias during work hours. But they might in an all male meeting...or an all male lunch...or an all male retreat...

Also, don't we refer to MARRIAGE as an 'institution'?

A Patriarchal system would insist on male breadwinners having a family wage. Feminism did away with that.

No, it didn't. AND, patriarchy isn't limited to who is the breadwinner. Patriarchy can still rule EVEN IF THE WOMAN IS THE BREADWINNER.

Feminism has won the institutions of this country and mainstream media.

"...of THIS country." But feminism isn't limited to creating gender equity within the institutions of THIS country.

From the same article:

"It bears repeating that patriarchy is a fundamentally oppressive, all-pervasive system that permeates all aspects of life. The impact of this disruptive system is exemplified in the physical, emotional, financial, and socio-political realms"

Critical Overview of Patriarchy, Its Interferences With Psychological Development, and Risks for Mental Health - PMC

The systemic oppression of women and gender-based discrimination has deep roots in human civilization. As evident in both written texts and widespread practices, conscious and unconscious biases associated with patriarchy have been and continue to ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

There is no systemic patriarchy left to "smash".

Oh really?

"Despite strides towards sex equality that have been gaining momentum for more than a century, the US remains a patriarchal society."

What is patriarchy? What does it mean and why is everyone talking about it?

Greta Gerwig's film, Barbie, has sparked debate about the patriarchy, but what exactly is it? CNN As Equals explains

www.cnn.com

This country is host to many immigrants. Immigrants come from all over the world...and bring their own patriarchal attitudes with them.

 

[Wrangler]

Sex discrimination DOES still happen here in the US.

Where is it? The criminal justice system where women get lesser prison sentences for the same crime? Colleges and universities where women now get more degrees than men? The laws that say a woman can abort her child without the father's consent, but should she have the child, he is obligated to then pay child support or face legal charges without being able to opt out?

Mink can't seem to acknowledge the plight of men. The fact that men are also victims of sexism in our society goes against her narrative.

 

[Wrangler]

I like Kelli a lot. I find this video and this type of content encouraging

While I like ketchup, I know it has corn syrup in it. So, it is awesome that she is making delicious and healthy ketchup for her family.

She doesn't just talk the talk. She walks the walk. God bless her.

 

[Mink57]

Mink can't seem to acknowledge the plight of men. The fact that men are also victims of sexism in our society goes against her narrative.

Did I not write, "Sex discrimination DOES still happen here in the US."? I didn't say that sex discrimination still ONLY happens to women here in the US.

So interesting that you're quick to point out how women make themselves out to be victims, while you're making MEN out to be victims.

Pot meet kettle.

 

[Wrangler]

Women like this really helped me see that I wasn't necessarily just taking the easy way out

^^ This. Sense of guilting women for doing the right thing.

TPTB want women to be reduced to economic units that can be taxed, and they used envy and guilt to get women to choose the hard way in to the rat race.

 

[Wrangler]

A lovely video on the value of service, largely in a homemaking context, that brought tears to my eyes.

@Wynona,

One observation I made about these 2 vids you posted is the voice of these women. They are calm, at peace and know they are living a very fulfilling and satisfying life.

The tone of their voice is not angry, resentful, etc. Very striking.

W

 

[Wrangler]

This is a good start. The wage gap is from the choices men and women make for themselves, not discrimination. @Mink57

This is where feminism has moved the goal posts. Used to be "equal pay for equal work." Now, the want equal pay for unequal work AND attempt to shame people for not embracing the injustice.

 

[Wynona]

^^ This. Sense of guilting women for doing the right thing.

TPTB want women to be reduced to economic units that can be taxed, and they used envy and guilt to get women to choose the hard way in to the rat race.

I agree but what is TPTB?